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| Sex and Affection Anything and everything about sex and relations. Please try to keep this forum on-topic, since things tend to wander a bit. Search through old topics before posting a new one, as questions get repeated a lot here. |
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# 1

2008-10-21, 16:19
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Lying to women...
I'm not normally one to ask questions here but wtf mate.
I am fresh out of a relationship and I have been flirting with this woman at the office. Problem is getting that job I lied about my work history. I have told everyone there (including her) that I was a software dev prior to working there which is a massive lie. I was a drug dealer for a few years and a junkie for most of those. Now I've been out with her a few times and we flirt like mad and I think shes a badass but the problem is if I go for her I gotta either continue lying about my past or cop to it which is when she would bail. I would normally just say go for it but I actually like her and shes way too nice for me to be ok with hurting... so, Lying to women, how long can you keep the lie going?
tr/dl Have you/would you lie to a woman about your past if you xpect it to be a long term thing
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# 2

2008-10-21, 16:28
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Re: Lying to women...
It doesn't matter what "you expect" it to be. If you trust her enough, tell her, if you don't, then don't, and tell her when you do.
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2008-10-21, 17:12
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well obviously I don;t trust her to stick around. i work in a cubicle in a building with a private gym. I'm not anywhere near the life im familiar with. no one here would be ok with a former crack dealer. Im jsut saying I like her other than that issue. obviously not telling her "hey btw i've been lying to you, I used to deal crack, thats how the audi got paid..." wtf mate? are you nuts?
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2008-10-21, 17:42
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Re: Lying to women...
If you convince yourself to believe the lie yourself then you'll have no problem bullshitting. Cut off all your past connections and do your best to avoid bumping into them and you've got no worries of them dropping you in it.
Carry on lying, lie and cheat your way through life and you'll be happy forevar!
A lot of people know of my past, but if I can avoid telling or letting those know who don't know then they really don't need to know and I'll be willing to lie to avoid it.
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# 5

2008-10-21, 18:06
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Re: Lying to women...
I'm beginning to wonder now. I mean, No one here knows about the past for me. I keep my tattoo's covered with a button down and even when she sees them doubtful she'll know prison ink from just a bad tattoo done when i was a teenager (classic lie). on that vein maybe im asking the wrong question. better question would be how many of us faked our way into mainstream society? how many others are out there? I could be working next to a serial rapist, a former hitman or even jsut another guy who got stuck into drugs when he was younger and bought his way into mainstream with an Audi and Brooks Brothers suits bought with dope cash. think i might start another thread. problem btw to poster above. I stil hang with most of my people. No one that still deals with drugs directly but I hang with a rough crowd. when I get off work I go to the tattoo shop and hang with bikers and Aryans. I'm not/never was a skinhead or a biker but thats where my friends are. so eventually I will either get caught or I'll have to keep dual lives still which is one of the things that I hated about dealing. I had to lie to my family about everything and my fiance ended up leaving b.c of it when she found out where my money came from
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2008-10-21, 18:56
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Re: Lying to women...
Provided this isn't a troll thread, it's really interesting. I dunno. You're all past the drugs right? Do you think if you told her, she'd definitely leave you? And if she did, do you know if she's cool enough that she wouldn't tell everyone at work and get you fired? Maybe you can tell her that you'd love to get serious or something but you really need to tell her something about your past. This is also kinda why you shouldn't date people at work.
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2008-10-21, 19:03
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Re: Lying to women...
Yeah man totally not worth it. Unless you plan on changing your entire life completely. Like who you hang out with, where you hang out, what you do on your free time, all that shit. It sounds like what you're saying is that this girl thinks you're pretty much the OPPOSITE person of who you truly are and unless she can accept that then I'd advise giving up on her.
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# 8

2008-10-21, 19:36
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Re: Lying to women...
It's all about how you spin it. Make it sound like you're a wounded bird with a troubled past, and that you've done some things you're not proud of but you're trying to better yourself and move one and learn from your mistakes, and all you need is a good girl. And add how you "really want to move on and forget that part of your life...but you didn't feel fight lying to her, and you really trust her to be non-judgmental and caring." She'll totally think you're a reformed badass and will both admire your strength in getting out of drugs and into a legitimate job, and she'll want to help 'nurse you back to health,' so to speak.
It doesn't have to be a deal-breaker. Use what you've got to your advantage.
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# 9

2008-10-21, 19:42
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Re: Lying to women...
Come to think of it silverfuck is right; most women like to try and turn badasses into the perfect boyfriend material. It's why coming off as slightly arrogant works for me (I call it confidence).
It sounds like with your situation she'll find out later and it'll be harder to lie with your double life.
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2008-10-21, 19:49
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Re: Lying to women...
who the fuck would trust someone who used to deal crack, has been in prison and has fucking dodgey friends. You should tell her, not to be honest, but so she knows the kind of liar shes getting involved with.
Shes too good for you, she worked to be where she is and earns a decent living contributing to society. You were and still are a fucking waster.
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#11
 2008-10-21, 20:43
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Re: Lying to women...
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Originally Posted by callumpimp
who the fuck would trust someone who used to deal crack, has been in prison and has fucking dodgey friends. You should tell her, not to be honest, but so she knows the kind of liar shes getting involved with.
Shes too good for you, she worked to be where she is and earns a decent living contributing to society. You were and still are a fucking waster.
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I used to run a marijuana grow-op a few years back. Most people accept this no problem, but some completely bail. That was pot, you sold crack. I was also clever enough to stay out of jail. I also didn't lie to get where I am now either. When she finds out that you lie to get things, including her, she's not going take it well. The fact that you still hang with the "wrong crowd" is an even worse mark against you.
I quit to save my reputation, you didn't. Maybe stop lying and earn something for once, and the perception will change. You should probably also know lying to get a job is fraud. If she flips on you, you might get jail time since it wouldn't be your first offence.
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#12
 2008-10-21, 22:03
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Re: Lying to women...
Women are used to being lied to. Keep it yourself
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#13
 2008-10-21, 22:28
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Originally Posted by Silverfuck
It's all about how you spin it. Make it sound like you're a wounded bird with a troubled past, and that you've done some things you're not proud of but you're trying to better yourself and move one and learn from your mistakes, and all you need is a good girl. And add how you "really want to move on and forget that part of your life...but you didn't feel fight lying to her, and you really trust her to be non-judgmental and caring." She'll totally think you're a reformed badass and will both admire your strength in getting out of drugs and into a legitimate job, and she'll want to help 'nurse you back to health,' so to speak.
It doesn't have to be a deal-breaker. Use what you've got to your advantage.
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who the fuck are you? and why do i always see you giving the best advice? are you a professional advice giver?
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#14
 2008-10-21, 22:30
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Re: Lying to women...
I used to run a marijuana grow-op a few years back. Most people accept this no problem, but some completely bail. That was pot, you sold crack. I was also clever enough to stay out of jail. I also didn't lie to get where I am now either. When she finds out that you lie to get things, including her, she's not going take it well. The fact that you still hang with the "wrong crowd" is an even worse mark against you.
I quit to save my reputation, you didn't. Maybe stop lying and earn something for once, and the perception will change. You should probably also know lying to get a job is fraud. If she flips on you, you might get jail time since it wouldn't be your first offence.
On the other hand, this guys advice is pretty good, too.
I say just forget about the whole situation and find a girl at a gym where you can be completely honest with.
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#15
 2008-10-21, 22:31
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Just start crying when you tell her, she'll think you're emotional and shit.
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#16
 2008-10-21, 22:55
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who the fuck are you? and why do i always see you giving the best advice? are you a professional advice giver?
I'm just really, really smart. ;)
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#17
 2008-10-21, 23:02
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Re: Lying to women...
!!!!!!!!HI-JACK!!!!!!!!!
A non-hot girl i shagged the other day is going round telling people i fucked her, im embarrassed, she has a bf who is a fucking nutter and sells crack and hes coming to stay with her......
......am i fucking dead? any advice?
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#18
 2008-10-21, 23:16
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Re: Lying to women...
I'll add to my post earlier now that I'm not on my cell phone.
Since I also have some experience with a similar situation, I'll tell you right now that it's not selling drugs, or doing drugs that bothers people, it's the lifestyle that accompanies it. See, I think you actually have a chance at keeping this girl if you change one thing, and that is you completely leave the life behind. When I say this, I mean commit to it and drop it all. Quit hanging with your friends, no matter how harmless you think it is. Your prison tats, consider having them removed. Prison tats are like showing pride in your gang and your time served, and you want to show everyone that you feel no pride for those things. If you do this, you are in a position to go to this girl and tell her the truth that you lied to get the job to escape life you were leading, that you are looking for a fresh start. If she's a decent person, she'll probably be impressed with your determination to straighten your shit out.
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#19
 2008-10-21, 23:22
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I'm just really, really smart. ;)
Do you like smart men? Are you cute?
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#20
 2008-10-21, 23:30
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Re: Lying to women...
Do you like smart men? Are you cute?
A resounding yes to both questions.
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#21
 2008-10-22, 00:46
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Originally Posted by callumpimp
!!!!!!!!HI-JACK!!!!!!!!!
A non-hot girl i shagged the other day is going round telling people i fucked her, im embarrassed, she has a bf who is a fucking nutter and sells crack and hes coming to stay with her......
......am i fucking dead? any advice?
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yes, no advice
no gtfo
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#22
 2008-10-22, 00:47
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This is also kinda why you shouldn't date people at work.
this.
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#23
 2008-10-22, 01:31
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Re: Lying to women...
What do you actually stand to gain, from a tangible or practical standpoint, from telling anyone about your past? You might feel a little better since "she's way too nice"? Finally you'll have some "closure"? Or more importantly what do you stand to lose?
Man, you must be out of your mind, get real. You can keep the lie going indefinitely, and you're well on your way since everyone else at your office has heard the same story. You're already working to straighten your life out on your own, and that's definitely admirable, but blind altruism sure isn't. Even then, what does this girl or your coworkers have to gain? They won't judge you for your past, they'll judge you based on preconceived notions of the kind of person a "crack dealer" is, and if you've turned your life around, are they really better off?
Keep doing as you're doing, don't be stupid. No need to worry about double lives now, from this point forward you only have the one you've made for yourself.
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#24
 2008-10-22, 01:34
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Re: Lying to women...
yes, no advice
no gtfo
thanks for your time sir
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#25
 2008-10-22, 01:35
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Originally Posted by Silverfuck
It's all about how you spin it. Make it sound like you're a wounded bird with a troubled past, and that you've done some things you're not proud of but you're trying to better yourself and move one and learn from your mistakes, and all you need is a good girl. And add how you "really want to move on and forget that part of your life...but you didn't feel fight lying to her, and you really trust her to be non-judgmental and caring." She'll totally think you're a reformed badass and will both admire your strength in getting out of drugs and into a legitimate job, and she'll want to help 'nurse you back to health,' so to speak.
It doesn't have to be a deal-breaker. Use what you've got to your advantage.
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Oh yes, just trust her and she will do all of the above, just as it worked with his fiancée who left him after she found out where his money came from. She could just as easily choose the alternative.
You're pretty fucking naive.
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#26
 2008-10-22, 01:39
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Oh yes, just trust her and she will do all of the above, just as it worked with his fiancée who left him after she found out where his money came from. She could just as easily choose the alternative.
You're pretty fucking naive.
Life is about taking risks. Without great risks there are no great rewards, and if you never take a shot at trusting people, you'll never have any real connections. Have fun playing it safe; it's obvious who's really the naive one here.
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#27
 2008-10-22, 01:42
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Re: Lying to women...
Life is about taking risks. Without great risks there are no great rewards, and if you never take a shot at trusting people, you'll never have any real connections. Have fun playing it safe; it's obvious who's really the naive one here.
playing it safe =/= being naive
assuming he was even playing it safe at all; dont think he was. he was just being realistic.
you can't count on that woman with a secret like this, what if she breaks up with him? she might tell ppl at work
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#28
 2008-10-22, 02:07
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Re: Lying to women...
Life is about taking risks. Without great risks there are no great rewards, and if you never take a shot at trusting people, you'll never have any real connections. Have fun playing it safe; it's obvious who's really the naive one here.
Such a general response to a not so general question, "life is about taking risks," damn, you sure showed me. You talk about one possibility but you fail to mention the other, you talk about great rewards but fail to mention great losses, should he lose his job or worse. You've got it all figured out.
Or maybe you're just mentioning one possibility to fuck him over. I guess I should say I like your style since I'm something of a prick myself, but a very happy and successful one. Maybe you see some moral vacuity in these statements, but I'm just pragmatic: you're quite the opposite.
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#29
 2008-10-22, 02:35
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Originally Posted by callumpimp
who the fuck would trust someone who used to deal crack, has been in prison and has fucking dodgey friends. You should tell her, not to be honest, but so she knows the kind of liar shes getting involved with.
Shes too good for you, she worked to be where she is and earns a decent living contributing to society. You were and still are a fucking waster.
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just got back from the office and reading the responses. this one caught my eye. Dude, You don't know me. I'm not going to make an excuse of my life growing up, trouble with bad cops or any of it because even though it affected me I made the choice to do what I did, no one made that choice for me. I fucked up, recognize that now. I want what everyone else wants, I want my picket fence, 2.5 kids and a fucking minivan that I bitch about at the water tank. I'm not saying what I did was ok, I recognize that was my bad and I'll answer to my maker when I die. Do you have anything you have to answer for? Ever made the choice between eating or rent? Ever saw a fast buck come up and the only ones getting the short end are already junkies? the shit stacks up and you end up deeper than you ever thought possible. I get that this is &T and I know flaming is a Must but I felt the need to respond to this one. Think hard about anything you've done that was a sin and ask yourself if you've changed from that person? if you have how would you like to have it thrown in your face?
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 2008-10-22, 02:43
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I'll add to my post earlier now that I'm not on my cell phone.
Since I also have some experience with a similar situation, I'll tell you right now that it's not selling drugs, or doing drugs that bothers people, it's the lifestyle that accompanies it. See, I think you actually have a chance at keeping this girl if you change one thing, and that is you completely leave the life behind. When I say this, I mean commit to it and drop it all. Quit hanging with your friends, no matter how harmless you think it is. Your prison tats, consider having them removed. Prison tats are like showing pride in your gang and your time served, and you want to show everyone that you feel no pride for those things. If you do this, you are in a position to go to this girl and tell her the truth that you lied to get the job to escape life you were leading, that you are looking for a fresh start. If she's a decent person, she'll probably be impressed with your determination to straighten your shit out.
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Another response, prolly opening myself for more flames. I am 24, I have 3 dead friends and Myself and my brothers all went to every funeral. the 2nd to die his mother had him buried with his shirt on to cover the ink. every one of us walked out. I love my brothers, they are my family. I have a dozen or so nehpews and 3 nieces by them. I'm godfather to two of them and I was bestman at my closest brothers wedding. I cant ever turn my back on them. they recognize that Im down for the ride still but at the same time they all to a man respect me enough not to ever make that call unless someone is going to die. I will likely simply wakl away from this girl anyway, she is amazing as hell but possibly its jsut a rebound issue. Im not ashamed of them, nor will I stop being family with them. I remember when I was a kid I was told never to ask what my uncles did for money and I never did, but my parents still raised us right. that can be a separate issue i think
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 2008-10-22, 02:50
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Re: Lying to women...
SilverFuck
I'm 24, White, Decent shape, I have a mid-paying job but I have a large stack set back that will keep me living well for a few more years even if I worked at McD's part time. I drive a Red Audi TT and I scored a 96 on my ASVAB in 45 minutes while I was high. I'm well read, enjoy art and I am able to provide for the safety/financial security of any woman I am with, I've never asked a woman to work...bw I also sold crack and was in prison...you said you like smart, cute men. Would you date me? Think about that then tell me she'd like it. the woman who agreed to marry me left after finding out how she got food in her stomache. Of course that spawned me to try and change but I'm curious now what your take would be.
BTW I know as a new arrival some think it's trolling, really not I jsut never felt the need to contribute to the pages before so I never signed up.
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 2008-10-22, 02:51
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SilverFuck
I'm 24, White, Decent shape, I have a mid-paying job but I have a large stack set back that will keep me living well for a few more years even if I worked at McD's part time. I drive a Red Audi TT and I scored a 96 on my ASVAB in 45 minutes while I was high. I'm well read, enjoy art and I am able to provide for the safety/financial security of any woman I am with, I've never asked a woman to work...bw I also sold crack and was in prison...you said you like smart, cute men. Would you date me? Think about that then tell me she'd like it. the woman who agreed to marry me left after finding out how she got food in her stomache. Of course that spawned me to try and change but I'm curious now what your take would be.
BTW I know as a new arrival some think it's trolling, really not I jsut never felt the need to contribute to the pages before so I never signed up.
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silverfuck has a boyfriend
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 2008-10-22, 03:04
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Re: Lying to women...
SilverFuck
I'm 24, White, Decent shape, I have a mid-paying job but I have a large stack set back that will keep me living well for a few more years even if I worked at McD's part time. I drive a Red Audi TT and I scored a 96 on my ASVAB in 45 minutes while I was high. I'm well read, enjoy art and I am able to provide for the safety/financial security of any woman I am with, I've never asked a woman to work...bw I also sold crack and was in prison...you said you like smart, cute men. Would you date me? Think about that then tell me she'd like it. the woman who agreed to marry me left after finding out how she got food in her stomache. Of course that spawned me to try and change but I'm curious now what your take would be.
Honestly, if I were in the situation where I met a guy who I really liked, who had a decent job and lived a fairly responsible lifestyle that was compatible with my own, I could care less about a past in drugs and crime. Like you said, no one here knows you or your situation and it's unfair to make judgments based on what you've done in the past. I would be more concerned with the present; a guy who used to sell crack and spend time in prison who has kicked the habit and separated himself from that lifestyle...well he would obviously be a person with tremendous drive, will power, and responsibility. I would have a lot more respect for a guy who overcame a troubled path to become a happy and balanced member of society than some trust fund kid who was born that way. So to me, and to a lot of women I'm sure, the fact that you've made something of yourself and learned from your mistakes should mean a lot more that the things you did when you were young and stupid. If that answers your question at all...sorry if I rambled incoherently.
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 2008-10-22, 03:17
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answers pretty well yeah... WAN wasn't trying to pick up silverfuck (no offense intended silver) I'm not That desperate to Netdate. Silver, wasn't trying to be argumentative so ty for answering w.o getting defensive. Problem with that life is the woman that I'm used to accepting it I dont want to be around anymore. I couldn't care if people judge me from my past, I was a criminal, I still smoke weed occasionally. I was a bad person I have no excuse there. trick is now trying to get someone who isnt from that lifestyle to dig on a guy who was. I could just keep BSing but eventually I gotta tell her "btw the friends you're about to meet are um...little rough around the edges" or just keep her separate. Guess we'll find out eventually how this goes. in the mean time Im gonna finish posting some of my old poems in vogon b.c I'm bored and I really dont have hobbies anymore lol
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 2008-10-22, 03:47
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silverfuck has a boyfriend
Fucking cockblock 
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#36
 2008-10-22, 03:59
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Fucking cockblock 
Epic Fail
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 2008-10-22, 04:02
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Epic Fail
only when you try force the mailman to stick his dick up your ass 
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 2008-10-22, 04:58
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only when you try force the mailman to stick his dick up your ass
ftw...
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 2008-10-22, 13:24
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I fit your description. As far as my boss and most of the white people over 40 I know are aware, I am an upstanding young college student/legal intern. I am very well spoken and have been told I come across as extremely intelligent. To get my internship(now a part-time position), I had to lie about my grades in High School, which were awful(I smoked a lot of weed). The thing is the school erases them 1 year after you graduate, which was may 2007 so I'm pretty much home free.
Also, you should see some of the people I chill with, a lot of drug dealers, high school dropouts, and just plain criminals. I do have plenty of normal, relatively successful friends, but they know little about my secret life of selling weed and acid.
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 2008-10-22, 16:04
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just got back from the office and reading the responses. this one caught my eye. Dude, You don't know me. I'm not going to make an excuse of my life growing up, trouble with bad cops or any of it because even though it affected me I made the choice to do what I did, no one made that choice for me. I fucked up, recognize that now. I want what everyone else wants, I want my picket fence, 2.5 kids and a fucking minivan that I bitch about at the water tank. I'm not saying what I did was ok, I recognize that was my bad and I'll answer to my maker when I die. Do you have anything you have to answer for? Ever made the choice between eating or rent? Ever saw a fast buck come up and the only ones getting the short end are already junkies? the shit stacks up and you end up deeper than you ever thought possible. I get that this is &T and I know flaming is a Must but I felt the need to respond to this one. Think hard about anything you've done that was a sin and ask yourself if you've changed from that person? if you have how would you like to have it thrown in your face?
I see your point, and of course i've made mistakes....and yes i've had them thrown in my face lots of times. It helps you to realise the severity of what you've done, what i said wasn't unreasonable. Unlike what you said to me in my thread.....
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#41
 2008-10-23, 01:58
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I see your point, and of course i've made mistakes....and yes i've had them thrown in my face lots of times. It helps you to realise the severity of what you've done, what i said wasn't unreasonable. Unlike what you said to me in my thread.....
What you said was said in an unreasonable way. What I said was also said in an unreasonable way...Sucks doesn't it? My apologies on the herpes man...
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 2008-10-27, 02:17
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Re: Lying to women...
Um yeah, any posters please read Edited opening... that shit was ridiculous. Mad props to my best friends for trying to find me answers online, but next time I advise them to make their own accounts and ask rather than jack mine and "alter facts" so its harder for anyone who might know me to recognize the psoter...idk even wtf that meant. I have m home town age and business listed...ghey. anyone who feels the need to flame/ask questions please feel free to. I'd rather air dirty laundry thats real than have people I might know stumble across that crazy shit and think worse
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 2008-10-27, 02:18
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kasper84 
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Re: Lying to women...
also if a mod sees this can i get it locked or even better deleted?
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