You're fucking stupid, first of all, all these legal alternatives are as expensive if not more expensive than actual E, then on top of that you're going to have the problem of selling bunk drugs to people as E, which will certainly piss them off. Why wouldn't you just invest $500 or so in a sack of E and sell it? That way you'll actually make money, meet people (who won't end up kicking your ass) and of course have a good time doing your own product. You're a fucking idiot.

You're fucking stupid, first of all, all these legal alternatives are as expensive if not more expensive than actual E, then on top of that you're going to have the problem of selling bunk drugs to people as E, which will certainly piss them off. Why wouldn't you just invest $500 or so in a sack of E and sell it? That way you'll actually make money, meet people (who won't end up kicking your ass) and of course have a good time doing your own product. You're a fucking idiot.

I am now going to QFT an acolyte...this is so odd.

But QFT.

By what means, good sir? I would be delighted to hear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolff-Kishner_reduction

Hydrazine is made from urea, look it up. Everything else is very OTC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolff-Kishner_reduction

Hydrazine is made from urea, look it up. Everything else is very OTC.

You are suggesting he reduce the carbonyl group of methylone to a methylene group to produce MDMA, yes?

You are suggesting he reduce the carbonyl group of methylone to a methylene group to produce MDMA, yes?

If you read both my posts in succession you'll find the answer.

If you read both my posts in succession you'll find the answer.

Indeed, I didn't realize that was you up there and down here suggesting the Wolff-Kishner, though I did put two and two together after comparing the chemical structures and looking up what the Wolff-Kishner does. Very informative posts, thank you.

Very informative posts, thank you.

I assume you have a source for bulk methylone then, no?

I assume you have a source for bulk methylone then, no?

I have at least one source for methylone though I don't remember off hand the quantities or prices and word is they have been having reliability issues lately. My other sources I have not looked into on methylone, I could probably find a few places in china or thereabouts with a simple search though.

ATM I can't really used MDMA or any other drug that might show up on a drug test as I got busted for possession of cannabis w/ intent which was knocked down to simple possession by my lawyer a while back and am getting drug tested on a weekly basis as a condition of my "treatment" that will be getting me a dismissal of my case. So it's not something I will be looking into for a few months at least.

Hey man, the thread's not about using MDMA.

True enough, but I prefer to avoid any further legal complications given my current situation. Facing a capital offense for manufacturing and distributing MDMA doesn't exactly sound like fun to me. Of course it's not illegal if you don't get caught, but the problem is sometimes I do get caught. If I ever did do anything like this it will probably only be for personal use and maybe some for very close friends as they would be a great way to get very high quality of a known product instead of trusting street pills as they have gone to shit and seem to be something other than MDMA or just plain bunk more often than not these days(thanks to shitheads like the OP, I hope somebody shoots you for selling bunk shit).

I didn't read any of the post because I know they are all wrong.

Mephedrone is the closest you are going to get. Mephedrone is dank.

I didn't read any of the post because I know they are all wrong.

You should have, this thread has caused me to learn a relitively easy way to aquire quite a few hard or impossible to find chemicals thanks to nshanin using simple chemistry.

Piperazines are fucking horrible, absolutely nothing like E, shit they aint even like speed. Horrible effects, they make you feel sick and feel like absolute shit, no rushes, no empathy and one hell of a comedown.


That said, Methylone\Butylone{bk-MBDB} are easily found these days...

From what iv heard from another member this sounds like your best bet. Might get some when my MDMA runs out.

Methylone is the tits.

It's probably the only decent MDMA alternative.

I wouldn't buy mephedrone cos I've heard from a lot of people that there's something not quite right about it.

I was looking at TFMPP because I can get it for 22 dollars a gram (100 doses). Which could turn a good profit, and keep my whole operational costs below 100 dollars.

Mephedrone and Methylone\Butylone{bk-MBDB} look like good substances to use. Anyone have any info on them, like price, legal status, and effects?

Mephedrone and Methylone\Butylone{bk-MBDB} look like good substances to use. Anyone have any info on them, like price, legal status, and effects?

Erowid.

Fuck piperazines, they're all over the place in Europe in crappy pills, and they're unbelievably unpleasant and just SHIT. Worst comedown and afterbuzz ever on those things, at a festival, it fucking sucked. Had real MDMA to drown it out, and ket n hash and booze, and I still felt crap for almost 2 days afterwards.

I'm never buying pills again unless I know they're 100% certainly MDMA/MDA.

Get some methylone or something maybe? :o

mephedrone and methylone got to be the best....... infact i would go as far to say that mephedrone is better than mdma..
easy to get on line ....... thanks ravegardener !!!

Nothing.

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I was looking for this sort of comment as soon as I read the thread title.

for price, check r a ve g a r d e n e r . c o m they got some info about not sending to certain countries so that should sort out the legal bit.....

mephedrone is 6/10 if mdma is 10/10 imo.

that said it was enjoyable, alot shorter acting, worth trying. but not as good, or even close to, quality mdma.

le gal highs is where i got mine its legal in the uk or was 6 months ago.

Why did you bump a 2 month old thread you new arrival bitch?

To poster above me: You have done really shitty mephedrone if you think it is a 6 compared to MDMA.

Bomb around 150-200mg and then keep snorting 50-125mg and then tell me that. But make sure it is good mephedrone.

Not that cut up shit from the bay.

Dont bother or waste your time trying to make legal alternatives to extacy. You will not make profit unless you find a wholesaler and buy in extreme large quantities to sell on. Then there is a load of legal bullshit you have to deal with and if you intend to market this and advertise this whilst selling it openly I hope you dont have any illegal drugs in your house.

That problem has been solved
500g of 2C-I was synthed by a close friend for just under a grand.

thinking of cutting it with a little methylone This friend had lying around too

Cant see that working out, apart from the lack of physical stimulation most users would expect from extacy what happens to the stupid individuals who normally double/tripple/quad drop without thinking about it or realising that this will in no way have a cross tollerance to the extacy they are normally used to taking.

I've never tried it, but I've heard that mephedrone is actually better than mdma. My mate said it was just as fun, but left you feeling more human.

It will be sold as "trippy party pills" or something of the like

I wouldn’t say its better than MDMA but its nearly as good and feels pretty much the same. It lacks some of the magic and intensity of MDMA and doesn’t last as long but it as certainly as close as it gets to the real thing and better than taking the risk of buying pills or cut MDMA. To be honest in future I will probably choose this over MDMA as it is a lot cheaper and you get a pure uncut product as well as being legal. The one thing I have noticed is although you get a lot less messy with a lot less side effects (No excessive sweating, overheating, nausea, tremors and other outward side affects like overly dilated pupils or eye rolling.) Although compared to MDMA you gurn your tits off a hell of a lot more and that can get pretty fucking annoying after a while. Its also pretty moorish, I did 1/2 a gram with my friend last night before going to a rave and we ended up leaving 2 hours later than intended because we were concentrating more on racking up lines than getting ready (although I guess that counts as getting ready too). It has a lot less of a comedown and really lacks the noticeable crash that you get when you come down from MDMA although the meph comedown is rather sudden, one moment your messy as fuck raving your arse off the next your as sober as a nun and feeling fine and able to sleep pretty easilly. The worst I have the next day is feeling a little tired like you would normally have after a night out (drugs or no drugs) and a bit of a sore jaw, so far no depression or feeling dislocated from the world although that usually comes on Tuesdays!

Edit: Iv worked out that the magic it is missing is that touchy feely loved up feeling that MDMA has, the one where everything around you is amazing, you love everything and you just want to touch it, hug it, lick it (that one might just be me.) It doesn’t have the intense psycadelic effect that MDMA can have, although music and lights still look and feel amazing its not the intensity you would get with even a smaller equivalent dose of MDMA. If I could describe it, its is probably more like a low dose of coke spread out over a longer period of time with a small dab of MDMA thrown in. I have yet to try it in a dose >250mg so I guess I probably havent experienced it to its full potential yet but I probably wont get a chance again for the next few months as I only save these kind of drugs for special occasions (raves) and the next 2 raves are with my little brother so I cant (I gota set a good example ya know!) Hopefully for the next experience Il try methylone, that to me looks like it has much more potential for being like MDMA with the most obvious reason its very very close resemblance to the MDMA molecule itself because obviously it is in fact an MDMA analogue.

I honestly cant see that working out too well, at least sell it for what it is in the dose that it should be administered or otherwise measured. If you sell these as pills e or "trippy party pills" you are going to end up getting the shit kicked out of you by some guy because him (or his girlfriend) tripple dropped expecting the usual weak MDMA/methbomb pills and had an unexpected bad trip.

I honestly cant see that working out too well, at least sell it for what it is in the dose that it should be administered or otherwise measured. If you sell these as pills e or "trippy party pills" you are going to end up getting the shit kicked out of you by some guy because him (or his girlfriend) tripple dropped expecting the usual weak MDMA/methbomb pills and had an unexpected bad trip.

I personally have nothing to do with the distribution of the product, I balance the budget for a dealer, provide product info, and help with the synthing of the product.

After that, the caps are just sent out to different towns or cities as legal "party pills". I don't have anything to do with the street distribution.

mephedrone is great, different but as good as madman, i like it. its a bargain if you know where to get it, just £12.50 a g from my fave online supplier........... if you know what you want and what you want to pay then google are are a great help as allways

Does said supplier send to the US?

Does said supplier send to the US?

sadly, this one does not.

But, finding a North American manufacturer/supplier isn't hard by any means.

I don't know if this is legal where you live , but I recently tried some mescaline for the first time and the amount I ate, almost a 1/2g, felt like the cleanest most fun rolls I have ever been on. Amazing and no harsh coming up or comeing down, just a steady trip.

I just when to sleep with a few vics and booze afterwards, fucking great.. :p

the next 2 raves are with my little brother so I cant (I gota set a good example ya know!)

Taking your little brother to a rave is not setting a good example.

Taking your little brother to a rave is not setting a good example.

How is it not setting a good example? Hes 18 and in the army its not like im taking a little kid with me.

I'm taking my 15 y/o kid brother doofing with me on NYE :D