Americans have a lot of say in what goes down in Iraq you dumbass. We basically own the country. If I say we should get out then its my right as a citizen. If an American thinks we should stay than its their right as a citizen to express that opinion. We've lost a lot of family and friends to that shit hole and our lives are harder because of this fucking war. I'm not saying Australians don't have the right to express their opinion but I am saying an Australian opinion is worthless in US politics.

Hint:
this is an internet forum, not a poling booth.
You are missing the whole point.

No, I hit the nail on the head. This is a thread on a public internet forum about the future of the state of the union based on current political and economic circumstances. You're ignorance to the involvement of every US citizen in the affairs of Iraq kind of offended me. I also saw it fit to point out whose opinion on these matters will actually count when election day rolls around and I don't think he's going to be saying, "G'day mate!"

There will definitely not be a civil war that's for sure. He might get assassinated though.

Yeah... I'm totally ignorant about Iraq.
Goodness knows our involvement in Iraq never came up in election campaigns.

Oh, and the reason I mentioned Iraq was to contrast the "if you don't live in the country you shouldn't bother commenting" crap implied by a previous poster.

Not a prediction, but a hope:

The government, in collaboration with the major market players, keep the market low and allow growth every once in awhile. Not even good growth, but just a little. Foreign currency will drop faster than American currency during this time. As soon as the US dollar is the most expensive currency, the market is once again allowed to grow at a slow and steady rate.

What I'd like to see is America fending for itself against real enemies, you'd crumble.

What are you going to do eh?

Laugh as your collective expression changes when you realized that you're just as fucked as we are...

Yeah... I'm totally ignorant about Iraq.
Goodness knows our involvement in Iraq never came up in election campaigns.

Apparently you are ignorant about a lot of things, especially your minuscule involvement in Iraq. Your post about American citizen's relationship with Iraq implied we shouldn't have a say in what happens in a country we've lost so much to. Forgive me and my colleague for believing your Australian opinion's are what they actually are, worthless, as opposed to our own opinion's that will mean a lot for our country and Iraq very shortly.

Apparently you are ignorant about a lot of things, especially your minuscule involvement in Iraq. Your post about American citizen's relationship with Iraq implied we shouldn't have a say in what happens in a country we've lost so much to. Forgive me and my colleague for believing your Australian opinion's are what they actually are, worthless, as opposed to our own opinion's that will mean a lot for our country and Iraq very shortly.

Oooh another Aussie jumping in....

You get your news from the same sources we do pal.
Were on the same internet buddy.
You know our countries have a free trade agreement?
That our stock markets often mirror each other in day to day trade?
That our millitary forces undergo joint training exercises all the time?
Shit there was a US warship docked in sydney just last weekend, one of your marines broke curfew and assaulted a hooker.
That we are in afghanistan and iraq as well friend?


Who the fuck is your colleague huh? You work with this guy? Your an advisor on politics to the white house?

You're 14 and you have little to no grasp on the way globalisation works, your opinion on iraq is as useless as his opinion on iraq which is as useless as mine.

If you are old enough to vote then i feel sorry that the race is being decided by the likes of you.

You get your news from the same sources we do pal.
Were on the same internet buddy.
You don't know where I get my news from and it's irrelevant.

You know our countries have a free trade agreement?
That our stock markets often mirror each other in day to day trade?
That our millitary forces undergo joint training exercises all the time?
Yes and this is irrelevant you stupid inbred.

Shit there was a US warship docked in sydney just last weekend, one of your marines broke curfew and assaulted a hooker.
That we are in afghanistan and iraq as well friend?
The bitch probably tried to tell him who to vote for, and no you are not in Iraq and Afghanistan. Your troops are sitting on their asses in the back watching everyone else do the work. US, UK, and Canada are the ones making sacrifices.

You're 14 and you have little to no grasp on the way globalisation works, your opinion on iraq is as useless as his opinion on iraq which is as useless as mine.
You don't know anything about me. Aussies don't have a vote in America so shut the fuck up. You can't change it. I do have a vote so my opinion is the only one that actually counts.

Pop an Adderall and pay attention. My comments are about whose thoughts actually count in the US. I didn't say shit about stock markets, joint operations, hookers, and all this other shit you seem to be pulling out of your ass. Forgive me when I tell a foreign person to go fuck themselves when they act like they have some stake in my government, but go fuck yourself.

Pop an Adderall and pay attention. My comments are about whose thoughts actually count in the US. I didn't say shit about stock markets, joint operations, hookers, and all this other shit you seem to be pulling out of your ass. Forgive me when I tell a foreign person to go fuck themselves when they act like they have some stake in my government, but go fuck yourself.

Everyone on the planet has a "stake" in the US government fucktard, just not a say.

Not to mention that unless you live in a swing state your opinion doesn't mean jack either as far as who becomes president.

Apparently you are ignorant about a lot of things, especially your minuscule involvement in Iraq. Your post about American citizen's relationship with Iraq implied we shouldn't have a say in what happens in a country we've lost so much to. Forgive me and my colleague for believing your Australian opinion's are what they actually are, worthless, as opposed to our own opinion's that will mean a lot for our country and Iraq very shortly.

No that is not what I implied.

To add to what I said before, unless you're at least 18 and live in a swing state, your opinion on the US president is about as likely to make a difference as ours.

Everyone on the planet has a "stake" in the US government fucktard, just not a say.

Not to mention that unless you live in a swing state your opinion doesn't mean jack either as far as who becomes president.

I believe differently. It's an American thing you wouldn't understand. Something we feel whenever we read about our forefathers makes us believe this is our country and it is what we make it. Some believe we can shape the world without letting it shape ourselves. As an isolationist I believe differently. As a voter, tax-payer, and citizen I can do more than just vote and pay my taxes. I can and do make a huge impact on my community. Change starts from the bottom not from the top. If Americans start making changes in the community it will go up from there. As a voter I have a chance to voice that opinion. The power isn't in your hands its in my hands. In the hands of Americans. When we start making changes in our community and giving a fuck instead of being distracted by the media, scare tactics, and lies things will happen. This is a government that is run by the people. When more people start getting outside and talking to people instead of sitting under the TV then they will start seeing the change they really want.

BTW fuck you and the rest of the world. You don't have a stake in shit over here.

I believe differently. It's an American thing you wouldn't understand. Something we feel whenever we read about our forefathers makes us believe this is our country and it is what we make it. Some believe we can shape the world without letting it shape ourselves. As an isolationist I believe differently. As a voter, tax-payer, and citizen I can do more than just vote and pay my taxes. I can and do make a huge impact on my community. Change starts from the bottom not from the top. If Americans start making changes in the community it will go up from there. As a voter I have a chance to voice that opinion. The power isn't in your hands its in my hands. In the hands of Americans. When we start making changes in our community and giving a fuck instead of being distracted by the media, scare tactics, and lies things will happen. This is a government that is run by the people. When more people start getting outside and talking to people instead of sitting under the TV then they will start seeing the change they really want.

BTW fuck you and the rest of the world. You don't have a stake in shit over here.

Our government now has to spend $10 billion dollars because of a financial shitstorm that started in the USA.
Oh we have a stake alright.

also - "I can and do make a huge impact on my community"
...so you're a community organizer? :D

I think this country could be run by the people and has been run by the people in the past but currently it is in no way shape or form being run by the people. Perhaps certain minor aspects of the U.S is controlled by us but I wouldn't say to a significant amount to the point where all we have to do is voice our opinion and if the general consensus agree's than just like that its done. A perfect example of that is the 700 billion dollar bailout plan. I think its safe to assume that most people totally disagreed with it and in fact voiced their opinion on the matter...guess what happened. Congress eventually passed the bill under pressure from the Senate and Executive Branch. The government doesn't care what we think and this is not exclusive to our Country and time in History. This is a a common de facto in civilization and only on rare occassions do we ever see a government that actually works for the people such as the case of the post revolutionary period in early American History. Most governments contemporary and historically have worked for the people just enough to stablize society. This in no way shape or form means formulating policies that help us directly but rather ones that help the country out which could or could not help us out indirectly. For instance, Many of the policies adopted by the Early Qin Dynasty, who I might add successfully unified China for the first time, were implemented for the sole purpose of expanding the Dynasty rather than for the purpose of helping the citizens out. Many policies such their punishment policies sound very parallel to Orson Well's future society. It was required that family members rat other members out otherwise if that person was caught for committing the crime the family members around him would also be punished for not telling on him. This was a mechanism used to monitor and control society which ultimately expanded the power of the Dynasty contributing to the unification of China under one rule. So you see, It is a common misconception that policies, government officials pass, are used to help out its own citizens but rather their core purpose is to expand the Country which might or might not benefit its citizens. When you hear the president on the News talk about doing this and doing that the help out the people, its really more or less sugar coated words that says "doing this is going to help the country out....and it might help you guys out but thats not our concern". What you need to understand is the reason for this is because there are way too many people in a society to please everyone. The Government needs to adopt policies that will benefit the Country as a whole rather than with individuals and if its an effective Government it will adopt policies that will both help its citizens out as well as its country out....but thats not that case a lot of the times....if thats not the case all the time...Civil unrest occurs. Anyway thats just a little rant on my view of the psychology of politics. But on that note I should say that the biggest threat I'm seeing with America isn't what's out there but rather whats in here. Sure we're very domesticated in that we will obey our leaders decisions without physically fighting but how long will that last? If you read up on current events in America you can see the two primary parties dividing even further. I can't even watch political debates anymore because they mostly just try to one up each other rather than discuss the issues at hand and try to work it out. Foreign threats is an issue but because of our superior defense that threat isn't nearly as high as we the people are. If the government keeps doing what its doing they will plant their own seeds of destruction and ordinary citizens like you and me will be the ones fighting...not for oil, or because we want to pursue our own American dream but to regain our own freedoms which are slowly slipping away. Although don't think it's going to be similar to the previous revolution because with time a lot of things change. The government today is much more powerful than the British government on the former colonies, so in essence, if a second revolutionary war sprouted in the distant future it will be much more bloody and the odds are much more against us. Of course this type of future is very presumptious at this point, but if trends like what we see continue into the future its possible we might see something like this. Anyway I'll stop now before I begin to ramble...

Paragraphs, paragraphs! For the love of God man!! Paragraphs!

What I'd like to see is America fending for itself against real enemies, you'd crumble.

I hope you don't consider your former penal colony you call a country a real threat to us. Considering we spend more on military than the next top 20 countries in the world combined.

When you look out at sea, you have to wonder if an American nuclear submarine is waiting there with a payload that could send your country back into the stone age.

I hope you don't consider your former penal colony you call a country a real threat to us. Considering we spend more on military than the next top 20 countries in the world combined.

When you look out at sea, you have to wonder if an American nuclear submarine is waiting there with a payload that could send your country back into the stone age.

exactly...there is at least one of the coast of every dangerous country's coasts

The thing is,if America goes down in an actual battle/war,we're taking everyone with us.

When you look out at sea, you have to wonder if an American nuclear submarine is waiting there with a payload that could send your country back into the stone age.

Funny thing is, we don't need nukes to send the US back to the stoneage, as your doing a good job teaching your own kids near neolithic beliefs in schools. :D

exactly...there is at least one of the coast of every dangerous country's coasts

So I guess Australia's safe then.

America's too damned lazy to start a civil war just because a black man got elected president. Oh sure, we might have a few dumbass rednecks making a lot of noise, and maybe even one or two of the braver ones going out and doing something stupid with possible success. But actual civil war?

Pft.

Funny thing is, we don't need nukes to send the US back to the stoneage, as your doing a good job teaching your own kids near neolithic beliefs in schools. :D

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revolution is needed more than civil war

Funny thing is, we don't need nukes to send the US back to the stoneage, as your doing a good job teaching your own kids near neolithic beliefs in schools. :D

Fuckin' BANG!

My prediction for the US.......
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:p

Funny thing is, we don't need nukes to send the US back to the stoneage, as your doing a good job teaching your own kids near neolithic beliefs in schools. :D

Oh I agree, American children are horribly stupid, and get more stupid every generation.

Don't see what your smiling about. If a bunch of drooling retards have the launch codes 80 years from now, where does that leave your country? Shitting it's pants?

Oh I agree, American children are horribly stupid, and get more stupid every generation.

Don't see what your smiling about. If a bunch of drooling retards have the launch codes 80 years from now, where does that leave your country? Shitting it's pants?

In the First Circle, gloating down at the rest of us, I suppose.

Oh I agree, American children are horribly stupid, and get more stupid every generation.

Don't see what your smiling about. If a bunch of drooling retards have the launch codes 80 years from now, where does that leave your country? Shitting it's pants?

Chances are if they're that stupid they'll fuck their own country up first ;)

They might vote for politicians who want to tax them to death for a bit of 'change' ;)