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Old 2008-10-14, 04:48
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Im planning to make a bunch of honey oil and was wondering what the most effective way to distribute it to my friends would be,rolling papers with some on it? cigarettes with a dab on it? small vials with a gram or some shit.. how do you people buy it?
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:02
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its not commonly sold...

most of it is just for personal use...

alot of people around here would give you a funny look if you asked if they wanted any honey oil...
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:05
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the small jars that hold a gram of powder are best...you can heat them with a lighter when oil is running out, and it all pools to the bottom of the jar. I believe they hold 2.5 grams of oil. And if youve never smoked oil with hot knives, or a hookah coal, its a waste imo.
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:06
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if i were you i would make honey bud...
roll your buds in some of the oil to get em all nice and sticky
then coat with kif.

a personal favorite of mine, and its a good way to distribute your oil.

ohh yeah and it gets you high as a motherfucker
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:09
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If you want to make good oil, collect it all on a large flat pan like the ones on the left:

http://www.ohdeedoh.com/uimages/ohdeedoh/2008-06-05-pyrex.jpg

Put it on the stove on very low heat to get rid of excess butane. Get a pack of cheap razor blades and scrape up some oil, it should harden to a solid glassy substance if you made good oil. Then you can wrap up the blades in foil or even saran wrap and they're ready for sale. A gram per blade works out well.

And yeah, smoke your oil with blades.
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:22
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Great ideas here guys, keep em coming.. ive got access to plently of trimmings so im open to other kinds of hash as well, what do people like the most?
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:25
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If you want to make good oil, collect it all on a large flat pan like the ones on the left:

http://www.ohdeedoh.com/uimages/ohdeedoh/2008-06-05-pyrex.jpg

Put it on the stove on very low heat to get rid of excess butane. Get a pack of cheap razor blades and scrape up some oil, it should harden to a solid glassy substance if you made good oil. Then you can wrap up the blades in foil or even saran wrap and they're ready for sale. A gram per blade works out well.

And yeah, smoke your oil with blades.
a good idea, just be sure to weigh the blade beforehand... have an extra identical one to demonstrate the added weight of the blade on a scale for anyone who might what to see it...
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:39
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How much does a gram of good honey oil sell at?
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:42
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Great ideas here guys, keep em coming.. ive got access to plently of trimmings so im open to other kinds of hash as well, what do people like the most?
Fuck other hash. Just make really good quality honey oil. Make solid honey oil. Then you can charge people out the ass for its fine quality.

People will love that shit after one hit. Blades ftw.

edit - you could start at 50 a gram, depending on your area and how much people are willing. Let them know its worth it, let a few try it before buying so they can testify its greatness to the rest of the herd.
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:48
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Sounds fucking beautifull guys, im going to make a foot long PVC extractor and hopefully extract more then 10 grams.. ill come back with some pictures after its all done in the next few days. Ill be using the razor blade to sell and probably put a drop on a cigarette for people to try.
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:51
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Cool, but I still think you should do blades, I think its more efficient.

That'll really show them how high they can get with one hit, one little drop.
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:53
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Ill have to wait till i make some money to buy a propane torch haha, i love blades though, i definatly plan to try smoking it in many different ways. Can i make super dank honey oil brownies?
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:54
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Ok, bullshit free:

Sell it as really good hash. The typical stoner will likely understand and appreciate the stupefied nomenclature more than you or I. Though really, honey oil is overkill for simple resale, instead just enjoy it yourself and sell the stuff made with less effort.
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:57
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I think that would be a waste of effort involved in making the honey oil, seeing as you could make just as potent edibles using plain old weed and the right technique.

Just save it for smoking.
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Old 2008-10-14, 05:58
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Ok, bullshit free:

Sell it as really good hash. The typical stoner will likely understand and appreciate the stupefied nomenclature more than you or I. Though really, honey oil is overkill for simple resale, instead just enjoy it yourself and sell the stuff made with less effort.


Well i think a friend of mine is planning to make some bubble hash as well, i should beable to have both bases covered which will be real nice.
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Old 2008-10-14, 16:55
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i should beable to have both bases covered which will be real nice.

You would need a shit load more than 10 grams to cover what, to me, is an averaged size baking pan.
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Old 2008-10-14, 18:50
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its sounds like he wants 10g as his finished product (at least to me)
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Old 2008-10-14, 19:05
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I just placed an order from bubblebag.com for the 5 gallon 8 bag kit.

http://www.bubblebag.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=31

I've told myself for years i was gonna do this, usually end up just making my own blonde hash, but this year....oh, this year ive got the supplies for total win!

I can't wait.

Good luck to all those making hash this fine harvest season.
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Old 2008-10-14, 22:49
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The best way to sell it is all ready in vaporizers. You can use light bulbs if you want to be expensive. I went to the science and surplus store and bought a hundred small test tubes for 10$ I strongly suggest doing this they are slick little vaporizers. It will be hard at first to sell because it looks like crack but once everyone realizes how good it is and that you can smoke it inside without a smell you will get rich. Because it is vaporized it is more efficient to smoke and you will make good profit as long as you don't waste all your $ on light bulbs or fuck up making the stuff.
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Old 2008-10-14, 23:23
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wow, this is taking cultivating cannibis to a whole nother step isnt it?

its a good idea, but im sure most people havent heard of honey oil, or they think you are trying to sell them sweets. You should be prepared for alot of explaining
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Old 2008-10-14, 23:28
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You will have to do a bit of explaining at first like tell them it's not crack (just let them smell it), maybe even let them take a hit for free but once people know what it is and how good it is you will do very well since you have a monopoly. By the way freshmen love this shit, just tell them a fake drug dealer name and use a pre paid phone so you can't get ratted out when the little fucks get caught and try to squeal on you.
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Old 2008-10-15, 01:06
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Sounds fucking beautifull guys, im going to make a foot long PVC extractor and hopefully extract more then 10 grams.. ill come back with some pictures after its all done in the next few days. Ill be using the razor blade to sell and probably put a drop on a cigarette for people to try.


I would personally keef everything before i extracted, better stuff and you can put it in any hard container
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Old 2008-10-15, 01:20
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http://i38.tinypic.com/ka3aps.jpg

sell it like that. lots of people will want it. make sure you sell it at a price you make profit at, you can overcharge if its hard like candy. If people don't know about it? teach them.

Use your stove if you don't have a torch. burn the paper off a twist tie and make a little loop. Stick a knife in the element of one burner and let it heat up. Heat the oil over the burner and scoop up a little bit with the loop while it softens. When the knife is good and hot, hold the loop just over blade until you see the oil soften and droop down. Then quickly press it to the knife and inhale deep.

This is the best way to smoke oil imo. You could soak some papers in your pan before you scrape up some to sell while its heating on the stove, but I don't think they would sell. Personal enjoyment only.
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Old 2008-10-15, 03:34
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'To package it', is what I think hes asking about.

Use a clear gelatin capsule, to 'OO' size (double O)
Its about 0.6mls volume

If theres no water in the oil it will stay hard.

You can empty out a capsule that had something else in it, but most of them are not Clear anyway.
Most Chemists here stock the capsules & don't ask what you want it for.
Say you brought some bulk Vitamin C as a powder & want to cap it up if they ask.

Everyone has a different way of getting it into the cap, its not easy!
Some use a pin & scoop the oil onto it & then heat it up so a dollop drips into the cap.

I think that if you got a teaspoon & hammered it narrower & deeper, then brought the end of the spoon into a point, like the pourer on a drinking jug.

Then got a paper clip & wrapped one end around the spoons handle near the bowl, & draped the other end over the spoons bowl & thru the pouring bit.
Cut the paperclip off about 5 mm from the spoon.

You could scrape the oil into the spoon & then heat it up so the oil pools into the spoon & then carefully drip the oil into a cap, using the paperclip bit to help the oil drip at the same place all the time.

Beware of bubbles of air inside the cap.
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Old 2008-10-15, 03:59
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You will have to do a bit of explaining at first like tell them it's not crack (just let them smell it), maybe even let them take a hit for free but once people know what it is and how good it is you will do very well since you have a monopoly. By the way freshmen love this shit, just tell them a fake drug dealer name and use a pre paid phone so you can't get ratted out when the little fucks get caught and try to squeal on you.


As my homonym^^^said, you will have a really hard time convincing people that it's just as good (even though it's better). People, stoners especially, love to be stupid and ignorant of science. If you can sell this stuff, more power to ya, but my money's against you.

As for constructive criticism, Hypothetically: my ^^^ is one of the best in the field at this particular area. Seriously, dude's a fucking pioneer. Using pop bottles instead of PVC tubes will save a fuckload of money/time. 2 liters for O or more, 12oz for O or less. Don't use cooking butane, it has odorants sometimes, also some brands of lighter butane also have it, so watch it.

As for bottle design, bottle cap, use hot pin to poke small holes, like 50. Poke a hole big enough in the bottom for the tip o the butane nozzle to go in, but not the bottom of the nozzle. IE nozzle tip goes in, bottom doesn't so the bottom gets pressed against bottle, sprays butane out.

Cut a pressure release hole, ~2-3cm diameter near the bottom of the bottle, so when bottle is upside-down, hole is near top, where butane is being sprayed in. Liquid sprays down, toward cap w/ holes. When butane makes contact w/ green, vaporizes at first, makes pressure in bottle, pushes green through cap holes, impure product. ~2-3cm hole lets pressure out, less crap gets through.

Well thats a start. In all honesty, just spray onto mids. Mids on mids, ratio: for every O purchased, 8g into bottle, 20g into bowl where sprayed w/ butane. Product can be sold as stickiest of the ickiest of whatevery the fuck you want. $20-25/g. Heat at 120F~49C before selling. (IE use toaster or blowdrier, either works), that way, no smell.

If decide to go w/ straight oil, ppl have trouble using efficiently on blades or foil or wax paper. 's why stickymids sells better. Just pak 'n smoke. Best way to package: buy test tubes online. anywhere (ebay, etc, whatever). 10/$1. ppl heat tubes, stick straw or dollar rolled up or hollowed pen into top, suck vapors. very good efficientcy, low cost. if u live in big city, look for science supply. no i-net needed.

sorry for broken english. trying to type fast.
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Old 2008-10-15, 04:02
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'To package it', is what I think hes asking about.

Use a clear gelatin capsule, to 'OO' size (double O)
Its about 0.6mls volume

If theres no water in the oil it will stay hard.

You can empty out a capsule that had something else in it, but most of them are not Clear anyway.
Most Chemists here stock the capsules & don't ask what you want it for.
Say you brought some bulk Vitamin C as a powder & want to cap it up if they ask.

Everyone has a different way of getting it into the cap, its not easy!
Some use a pin & scoop the oil onto it & then heat it up so a dollop drips into the cap.

I think that if you got a teaspoon & hammered it narrower & deeper, then brought the end of the spoon into a point, like the pourer on a drinking jug.

Then got a paper clip & wrapped one end around the spoons handle near the bowl, & draped the other end over the spoons bowl & thru the pouring bit.
Cut the paperclip off about 5 mm from the spoon.

You could scrape the oil into the spoon & then heat it up so the oil pools into the spoon & then carefully drip the oil into a cap, using the paperclip bit to help the oil drip at the same place all the time.

Beware of bubbles of air inside the cap.


What to do w/ it once in caps? can't eat it, no bioavailability. can't smoke it, gelatin tastes like ass. What to do what to do what to do....

PS hotknifing wastes hella vapors. better: hollow out nitelight sized litebulbs or buy testubes.
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Old 2008-10-15, 07:45
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What to do w/ it once in caps? can't eat it, no bioavailability. can't smoke it, gelatin tastes like ass. What to do what to do what to do....

PS hotknifing wastes hella vapors. better: hollow out nitelight sized litebulbs or buy testubes.
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Im planning to make a bunch of honey oil and was wondering what the most effective way to distribute it to my friends would be,rolling papers with some on it? cigarettes with a dab on it? small vials with a gram or some shit.. how do you people buy it?}end Quote

Well that actual question was how to distribute it effectively.
Putting it in Gell caps is the way, the way we do it here.

You either put it on Ali foil & heat the foil & inhale the fumes thru a straw.
or use a spotting knife.
Any other ways gotta be messy, its stupid to put it on cig papers unless theres no other way to do it.

Smashing lightbulbs to use as containers, uh, you really think thats gonna work, how do you stop the oil coming out?
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Old 2008-10-15, 12:07
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to be honest the shits so sticky and time consuuming to produce not the extraction but the putting into vials and shit gets tiresome.

if i were you i'd just use it for urself and sell the bud. instead. trust me.
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Old 2008-10-15, 20:37
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always cook oil after making at 50C or 120F. once it cools it'll be more solid. If it's still goopy, put in freezer for 1 min or two. while cold, it's solid, like glass. break, drop into tubes, package however. easy to handle while cold.

Also, resale plant material. make back 40% from get go. IE, sell at huge discount, say you're generous.
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Old 2008-10-15, 20:45
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well that actual question was how to distribute it effectively.
Putting it in gell caps is the way, the way we do it here.
no oral bioavailability. Gelcaps don't work.
you either put it on ali foil & heat the foil & inhale the fumes thru a straw.
Or use a spotting knife.
Any other ways gotta be messy, its stupid to put it on cig papers unless theres no other way to do it.
hotknifing is messy, wasteful. There are better ways:
smashing lightbulbs to use as containers, uh, you really think thats gonna work, how do you stop the oil coming out?
you don't smash the lightbulb. Plyers can break off the rim (top part) Just drop oil chunk in, heat bottum of lightbulb. The idea here is to have oil+vapors in a container, not just floating into the air as they would be hotknifing. Also, lightbulb's are more portable.

Only prob is they're a pain to open up. So easy to order test tubes off internet or something. Once oil is cold (from freezer), can be dropped into tubes in chunks.
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Old 2008-10-15, 21:03
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Although I agree it is more efficient, I cannot see vaporization catching on too much, and I cannot see many people willing to buy the whole set up.

On the other hand, people have been hot knifing good oil for years. Blades ftw.
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Old 2008-10-15, 22:06
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Like I said earlier once word gets out about how good your shit is it will sell fine, stoners are ignorant to science but once they find out how science can help them get more high they won't care. Once you get some regular customers that can tell their little friends how high this shit gets you and that it can be vaporized inside with no smell they will love it. Highschool kids especially love this shit because it doesn't smell inside when vaporized. This has personally worked out for me. Just get the test tubes, its the best way to sell it. I've tried putting it on rolling papers, tin foil, wax paper etc and this is the best way to sell it. Have the tubes all ready packed with a glob of oil so stupid stoners don't waste their shit trying to get it into the tube. By the way wax paper is great for storing honey oil on.
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Old 2008-10-15, 23:13
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best way to smoke honey oil is to take a snip of a cigarette, stand it on a needle, burn the cig snip to ash, then drip oil onto the ashes and light it up and suck it back with a straw or emptied pen cover.

as following. the brown square thing on the bottom is a book you pierce with the needle.

http://i38.tinypic.com/1zmz246.jpg
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Old 2008-10-16, 02:13
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AHHH THE IGORANCE!!!! seriously, if not tubes or light bulbs, better than blades, just use a thin, bowl shaped piece of tin foil. heat, and fumes will rise from a much more concentrated area, making it easier to hit and harder to lose to the wind.

Vaping out of tin foil is NOT unhealthy. Though smoking from the stuff might be a bad idea, vaping, the temps are low enough no problem.
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Old 2008-10-16, 05:55
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Alot of new info came about since ive last checked, thanks guys.. im either going to use blades or vials to distribute it, and i should have a couple ozs of plant material to make this, making something out of nothing as some would say.
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Old 2008-10-16, 18:04
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AHHH THE IGORANCE!!!! seriously, if not tubes or light bulbs, better than blades, just use a thin, bowl shaped piece of tin foil. heat, and fumes will rise from a much more concentrated area, making it easier to hit and harder to lose to the wind.

Vaping out of tin foil is NOT unhealthy. Though smoking from the stuff might be a bad idea, vaping, the temps are low enough no problem.


bud the best way to smoke it is the way i described it above, seriously. smoking off of tin foil you would lose way too much.
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Old 2008-10-16, 20:51
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bud the best way to smoke it is the way i described it above, seriously. smoking off of tin foil you would lose way too much.

You, sir, are the weakest link. Your method gets nasty tobacco flavor into the oil vapors AND exposes the oil to flame, thus destroying some of it. Rather than just doing this, just do yourself a favor and smoke to begin with. The advantage of foil is that the oil sits on the foil, foil gets hot, VAPORIZES the goods, then because of the bowl shape of the foil, the vapors rise in in a concentrated plume, so if a pen or something is immediately above them, if sucked through, ALL the vapors go up and in. Foil: 100% effective, cheap, easy, and portable. Only what you want and nothing you don't.
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Old 2008-10-16, 22:26
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You, sir, are the weakest link. Your method gets nasty tobacco flavor into the oil vapors AND exposes the oil to flame, thus destroying some of it. Rather than just doing this, just do yourself a favor and smoke to begin with. The advantage of foil is that the oil sits on the foil, foil gets hot, VAPORIZES the goods, then because of the bowl shape of the foil, the vapors rise in in a concentrated plume, so if a pen or something is immediately above them, if sucked through, ALL the vapors go up and in. Foil: 100% effective, cheap, easy, and portable. Only what you want and nothing you don't.

ok i concede defeat. you win.

both ways work but your way is slightly better after i tried it and just smoked some gold sugar off of foil. seemed easier on the lungs as well.
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Old 2008-10-17, 04:30
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Oil is 'bioactive' hell THC is a oil, so is fat, your body will absorb it, thats that.

The idea of capping it in a gelcap has nothing to do with eating it.
Its just a good way of storeing it.
Same as using those small plastic vials you get the ciggie lighter flints in.

Theres no waste spotting the oil on a 'hotknife' & no waste using Ali foil to spot off, just don't get the flame too close to the foil.

& selling your 'Washed of THC' pot material afterwards is a real scummy thing to do....
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Old 2008-10-17, 07:19
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ok i concede defeat. you win.

both ways work but your way is slightly better after i tried it and just smoked some gold sugar off of foil. seemed easier on the lungs as well.

Holy shit. I didn't think it was possible to win an argument on the internet. Seriously, has anyone ever tried it? People just flame and nothing gets communicated. Wow. This is like a major point in internet history. Sweet.

Now on to my next battle...

Oil is 'bioactive' hell THC is a oil, so is fat, your body will absorb it, thats that.
Try it. Seriously, FAT is bioavailable, but that's an exception to the rule. I thought the idea of weed pills would be awesome so swim conducted some research and got NADA. Massive chucks produced zilch for buzz. Sorry, friend, but if you want it inside you, it's gotta be lubed up (with butter, cheese, or something with more bioavailable fats). Try it.
The idea of capping it in a gelcap has nothing to do with eating it.
Its just a good way of storeing it.
Same as using those small plastic vials you get the ciggie lighter flints in.
Wouldn't it get stuck inside the caps? Wouldn't it be easier/better to store in wax paper? Swim's guy uses wax paper and it works great. Theres no waste spotting the oil on a 'hotknife' & no waste using Ali foil to spot off, just don't get the flame too close to the foil.
My main concern with hot knife is that because the knife is flat, either: the edges of the knife will not protect the oil from the flame, OR that oil will spill/bubble off the knife never to be seen again.
& selling your 'Washed of THC' pot material afterwards is a real scummy thing to do....
Unless, you sell it to freshman (who will smoke it and not get high), wherby teaching them that drugs are a waste of money, and they should do something more productive with their time. Now your actually providing a public service. That's tax deductible if I've ever heard it.
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