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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-10-12, 06:51
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Captain Douche 
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I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
I have to admit it to someone. Dude when I take Lunesta 2mg tabs and don't turn off the lights weird shit happens. It feels great. My head gets all floaty and i'm very calm. My motor skill, very pronounced in my neck and how I turn my head and my face is slurring but I feel absolutely serene inside. And thats only 4 milligrams! Quick trip to the bathroom to pee and I upped it to six.
When you stay up after taking pills to deliberately make you do the opposite it gets really interesting. I can't stay up anymore to describe how everything seems a litte off. Oh hey, I was going to pee when I was in there, not just fill up a cup and take a pill.
I feel like my vision is distorting. Shadows that arent there, the lamp, a cylinder with lin lines running top to bottom seem to be slowly rotating but theres no fuck christ tripout going on.. I think.
And now the real fatigue hits me, probably right before the next pills gonna kick.
When I wake up this morning I want to see 20 posts telling me the dangers and risks of Eszopiclone, at least 3 links to wikipedia and some real fuck me I already forgot I had to pee. I'm out. Someone post this shit up or at least bump it until I can see it in the morning to ... shit maybe in the midafternoon when I wake up.
Goodnight Sweet &T
You Princes ofIV, You Kings of the underground
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#2
 2008-10-12, 07:07
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bmxanarchist 
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
what.
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#3
 2008-10-12, 07:21
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
When I take a few Benadryl, music sounds better than it does on anything I've ever taken, anything but acid.
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#4
 2008-10-12, 07:22
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
ur gonna have a metal taste in ur mouth the next day i had a gf once that ate lunesta for some reason.
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#5
 2008-10-12, 09:26
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Facedown in the shag rug.
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
Lunesta isn't actually a drug. It's the larval form of a rare parasitic organism, used by South American shamans for millenia but only recently known to Western medicine. The pharmaceutical companies flash freeze them and encapsulate them in protein shells which are then pressed into pills. When you wake in the morning, you'll be host to dozens of tiny flagellates which have burrowed into your temporal lobe.
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#6
 2008-10-12, 10:32
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
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Originally Posted by 187coopa
ur gonna have a metal taste in ur mouth the next day i had a gf once that ate lunesta for some reason.
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This.
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#7
 2008-10-12, 10:35
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moonmeister 
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
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Originally Posted by ThetaReactor
Lunesta isn't actually a drug. It's the larval form of a rare parasitic organism, used by South American shamans for millenia but only recently known to Western medicine. The pharmaceutical companies flash freeze them and encapsulate them in protein shells which are then pressed into pills. When you wake in the morning, you'll be host to dozens of tiny flagellates which have burrowed into your temporal lobe.
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Yeah. Now you're a Lunetic...
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#8
 2008-10-12, 14:17
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axe to the face 
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
Isn't this the same concept as hallucinations from sleep deprivation? I mean, you just took two sleeping pills so you are gonna be really tired, and then not going to bed, right?
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#9
 2008-10-12, 14:21
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BpLS 
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
LOL I feel stupid you actually had me going with that larva yarn enough to go find this...
Eszopiclone, marketed by Sepracor under the brand-name Lunesta, is a nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic agent (viz., a sedative) used as a treatment for insomnia. Eszopiclone is the active stereoisomer of zopiclone, and belongs to the class of drugs known as cyclopyrrolones.
Eszopiclone is a short acting nonbenzodiazepine sedative hypnotic. It has been shown to be safe and effective short term treatment in the elderly and safe in younger adults for 6 - 12 months. All clinical trials of eszopiclone published so far are industry funded by the pharmaceutical manufacturer of eszopiclone, Sepracor.[2] Eszopiclone (Lunesta) along with other "Z Drugs" including zolpidem (Ambien), zaleplon (Sonata) are the most commonly prescribed sedative hypnotics in the USA. There were 43 million prescriptions issued for insomnia medications during 2005 in the USA which generated a total of $2.7 billion for pharmaceutical companies.[3]
Contents
[hide]
* 1 Pharmacology
* 2 Indications
* 3 Side Effects
* 4 Elderly
* 5 Dependence
* 6 Abuse
* 7 Withdrawal Symptoms
* 8 Overdose
* 9 Controversy
* 10 References
* 11 See also
* 12 External links
[edit] Pharmacology
Eszopiclone acts on benzodiazepine receptors as an agonist.[4] Eszopiclone is rapidly absorbed after oral administration, with serum levels peaking between 1 and 1.3 hours.[5] The elimination half-life of eszopiclone is approximately 6 hours and is extensively metabolized by oxidation and demethylation. Approximately 52% to 59% of a dose is weakly bound to plasma protein. Cytochrome P450 (CYP) isozymes CYP3A4 and CYP2E1 are involved in the biotransformation of eszopiclone; thus, drugs that induce or inhibit these CYP isozymes may affect the metabolism of eszopiclone. Less than 10% of the orally administered dose is excreted in the urine as racemic zopiclone.[6] In terms of benzodiazepine receptor binding and relevant potency, 3 mg of eszopiclone is equivalent to 10 mg of diazepam.[7]
[edit] Indications
Eszopiclone's mechanism of action is via the benzodiazepine receptor-GABA complex. Other drugs which are similar to eszopiclone and also work via the benzodiazepine receptor-GABA complex include benzodiazepines, zaleplon, and zolpidem. Behavioral therapies, particularly cognitive behavioral therapy, and lifestyle changes show significant long-term efficacy as treatments for chronic insomnia.[8]
Dosages
For treatment to improve sleep onset and/or sleep maintenance the recommended dose is 2mg-3mg for adult patients (aged 18-64 years) and 2mg for older adult patients aged 65 years or older. The 1mg dose is for older adult patients whose problems are related to sleep onset.[9]
[edit] Side Effects
The following side effects may occur from usage of eszopiclone (lunesta):[10]
Common side effects can include:
* unpleasant bitter or metallic taste
* headaches
* chest pain
* cold-like symptoms
* pain
* dry mouth
* daytime drowsiness
* lightheadedness
* dizziness
* upset stomach
* decreased sexual desire
* painful menstruation (periods)
* heartburn
Less common side effects can include:
* rashes
* itching
* incoordination
* swelling of the hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs
* painful or frequent urination
* back pain
neuropsychiatric adverse effects reported include;[11]
* more outgoing behavior
* aggressive behavior
* confusion
* agitation
* auditory and visual hallucinations
* worsening of depression
* suicidal thoughts
* depersonalisation
* amnesia
If a person does not sleep immediately after taking their Eszopiclone (Lunesta) or if they get up shortly after taking their medication they may experience dizziness, lightheadedness, hallucinations (seeing things or hearing voices that are not there), as well as experience problems with coordination and memory.
Increased risk of depression
It has been claimed that insomnia causes depression and hypothesized that insomnia medications may help to treat depression. However, an analysis of data of clinical trials submitted to the FDA concerning the drugs zolpidem, zaleplon and eszopiclone found that these sedative hypnotic drugs more than doubled the risks of developing depression compared to those taking placebo pills. Hypnotic drugs therefore may be contraindicated in patients suffering from or at risk of depression. Hypnotics were found to be more likely to cause depression than to help it. Studies have found that long term users of sedative hypnotic drugs have a markedly raised suicide risk as well as an overall increased mortality risk. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) for insomnia on the other hand has been found to both improve sleep quality as well as general mental health.[12]
[edit] Elderly
Sedative hypnotic drugs including eszopiclone are more commonly prescribed to the elderly than to younger patients despite benefits of medication being generally unimpressive. Care should be taken in choosing an appropriate hypnotic drug and if drug therapy is initiated it should be initiated at the lowest possible dose to minimise side effects.[13] An extensive review of the medical literature regarding the management of insomnia and the elderly found that there is considerable evidence of the effectiveness and durability of non-drug treatments for insomnia in adults of all ages and that these interventions are underutilized. Compared with the benzodiazepines, the nonbenzodiazepine sedative-hypnotics, including eszopiclone appeared to offer few, if any, significant clinical advantages in efficacy or tolerability in elderly persons. It was found that newer agents with novel mechanisms of action and improved safety profiles, such as the melatonin agonists, hold promise for the management of chronic insomnia in elderly people. Long-term use of sedative-hypnotics for insomnia lacks an evidence base and has traditionally been discouraged for reasons that include concerns about such potential adverse drug effects as cognitive impairment (anterograde amnesia), daytime sedation, motor incoordination, and increased risk of motor vehicle accidents and falls. In addition, the effectiveness and safety of long-term use of these agents remain to be determined. It was concluded that more research is needed to evaluate the long-term effects of treatment and the most appropriate management strategy for elderly persons with chronic insomnia.[14]
[edit] Dependence
Eszopiclone is a schedule IV controlled substance under the Controlled Substances Act. Use of benzodiazepines and similar benzodiazepine-like drugs such as eszopiclone may lead to physical and psychological dependence. The risk of abuse and dependence increases with the dose and duration of usage and concomitant use of other psychoactive drugs. The risk is also greater in patients with a history of alcohol or drug abuse or history of psychiatric disorders. Tolerance may develop after repeated use of benzodiazepines and benzodiazepine-like drugs for a few weeks. Eszopiclone was studied for up to 6 months in a group of patients which showed no signs of tolerance or dependence in a study funded and carried out by Sepracor. Insomnia itself can result from dependence or substance withdrawal symptoms. Causes of insomnia include chronic anxiety, depression, alcohol or substance abuse or withdrawal, adverse or withdrawal effects from medication, or age-related changes in sleep[15]
[edit] Abuse
A study of abuse potential of eszopiclone found that eszopiclone at doses of 6 and 12 mg produced euphoric effects similar to those of diazepam 20 mg. The study found that at these doses which are two or more times greater than the maximum recommended doses, a dose-related increase in reports of amnesia and hallucinations was observed for both eszopiclone (lunesta) as well as for diazepam (Valium).[10]
[edit] Withdrawal Symptoms
If a person has taken Eszopiclone for longer than 1 - 2 weeks they should not stop taking the medication abruptly and should consult their doctor. Usually doctors will direct a slow reduction in dosage to minimise withdrawal symptoms. Particularly after abrupt cessation of medication, withdrawal symptoms may include:[16]
* anxiety
* unusual dreams
* dizziness
* stomach and muscle cramps
* upset stomach
* vomiting
* sweating
* shakiness
* insomnia
* seizures (rare)
[edit] Overdose
Eszopiclone is dangerous in overdose. Signs of eszopiclone overdose reported included dulled mental status and a prolonged coma (lasting up to 48 hours).[17] Texas poison control centers reported that during 2005-2006 there were 525 total eszopiclone overdoses recorded by them in the state of Texas with the majority of which being intentional suicide attempts.[18]
[edit] Controversy
The Journal of Clinical Sleep Medicine published a paper which had carried out a systematic review of the medical literature concerning insomnia medications including eszopiclone. The review found that almost all trials of sleep disorders and drugs are sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry. It was found that the odds ratio for finding results favorable to industry in industry-sponsored trials was 3.6 times higher than non-industry-sponsored studies. The paper found that there is little research into hypnotics that is independent from the drug manufacturers. The author was concerned that there is no discussion of adverse effects of sedative hypnotics discussed in the medical literature such as significant increased levels of infection, cancers and increased mortality in eszopiclone and other sedative hypnotic drugs and an overemphasis on the positive effects. The author concluded by stating that "major hypnotic trials are needed to more carefully study potential adverse effects of hypnotics such as daytime impairment, infection, cancer, and death and the resultant balance of benefits and risks."[19]
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#10
 2008-10-12, 16:28
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Captain Douche 
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
Whatever, I gave you guys something to talk about and the side effects seem to hit me harder then normal people. Win Win.
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#11
 2008-10-12, 21:51
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
its like ambien, only worse, and less commonly prescribed.
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#12
 2008-10-12, 22:24
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
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Originally Posted by Dead1Head
When I take a few Benadryl, music sounds better than it does on anything I've ever taken, anything but acid.
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thats how it is for everyone
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#13
 2008-10-12, 23:27
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nick45174 
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Re: I'm such a fucking pussy for saying this outloud.
Ambien > Lunesta
no doubt about it
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