I will stick with snorting I guess. It always tapers of so soon is the problem, and with limited supply now, I want to make the most of it, i.e. making it last longer. I don't care to much for a rush or fast onset, just so long as the feeling is somewhat strong and lasts a decent amount of time.

So you're going to snort it?

So you're going to snort it?

And yes I've come to the conclusion I'm going to snort said opiates, unless overwhelming evidence that supports oral ingestion over intranasal ingestion (given my circumstances) happens to appear.

This thread was not intended to go past 1 page, I apologize for any valuable time wastage that could be put to better use, such as browsing other threads on totse.

As far as intensity in my experience just the fact that the "rush" is involved with snorting it is a bit more intense.

Let's say you've got an empty stomach. If you parachute then you'll likely get that small "fuzzy" feeling like 10 mins after swallowing the chute. However, it won't totally hit you for at least 30 minutes.

If you're running low and looking for longevity just CHEWING it up by taking a few nibbles is a good way to go. This way it is already powdered a bit but also in a few small chunks that will take a wee bit longer to break down than just powder.

I'd also recommend using N0 W4rn1ngs Potentiation formula, which can be found by using the search function and typing in his name.

If you're gonna swallow it don't forget about eating a few tums or some baking soda to lower the PH in your stomach.

Yeah I use his formula everytime, at least to the extent I can. I don't have any DXM but I take 50 mg's of benadryl, 220 of aleave and drink a glass of white grape fruit juice. I'll have to get off my lazy ass and go out for something other then opiates (DXM).

Anyways, how long should I consider waiting after ingesting the tums.

Also the rush is great, but since its over so fast, I really look forward to the lasting high, I could do without the rush if it meant I would achieve the same high and that it would last longer. I just don't want to take 30 mg's orally, feel nothing and be like "shit fuck, I could have snorted that and maybe felt a small high".

Anyways, how long should I consider waiting after ingesting the tums.



You should wait at least 20 mins or so. If tums arent an option you can mix some Baking Soda in a small amount of water and chug that.

As far as the DXM goes it's supposed to be useful in preventing the buildup of tolerance. I don't know how valid this is as I can't tell much personally but it doesn't hurt to try.

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Let's say you've got an empty stomach. If you parachute then you'll likely get that small "fuzzy" feeling like 10 mins after swallowing the chute. However, it won't totally hit you for at least 30 minutes.


I assume your taking into account my tolerance, I'm going to trust you on this one. Something tells me you've done your fair share of opiates, although I can't tell what that something is. I'll crush/parachute the 30 mg's oral dose, it doesn't need to last forever, just an hour and a half or so.

Anyways, as recommended, I'm going to go take some tums before the opiate....

I assume your taking into account my tolerance, I'm going to trust you on this one. Something tells me you've done your fair share of opiates, although I can't tell what that something is. I'll crush/parachute the 30 mg's oral dose, it doesn't need to last forever, just an hour and a half or so.

Anyways, as recommended, I'm going to go take some tums before the opiate....

Check my post above too. As I stated, everyone is different man. I have a really high tolerance as well but the methods and advice I've given you here are what I follow myself. I tend to practice what I preach. If something doesn't work I'm not gonna recommend it to others..people that know me can tell you that.

The "fuzzy" feeling I mentioned is the one I'm sure people are familiar with if they actually eat their opes. It's the point when they haven't exactly taken effect but you begin to feel just good about things as you wait for everything that's coming. It's basically a sign that the opes are being broken down and absorbed as well as your mind getting anxious and drawing on past experiences with these wonderful drugs.

Good luck to you bro.

Wonderful drugs? You mean God's sneak peak of heaven? Just kidding, its not that wonderful, the whole opiates daily thing and all.

Anyways, I assume your tolerance is above mine, though maybe not by much. The fuzzy feeling you describe is great, but I always used the word fuzzy to describe slight opiate intoxication like when you feel the warm, fuzzy, tingly feeling on a dose to low to give you the floaty high that is associated with higher doses of opiates.

Anyways I will parachute 30 mg's wait till I can feel the fuzzy mood lift, and then rail 30 and report back as I'm sure everyone is extremely interested to know how it all went.

/sarcasm

Thanks for the good luck, I'll need it.

Wonderful drugs? You mean God's sneak peak of heaven? Just kidding, its not that wonderful, the whole opiates daily thing and all.


It isn't close to as wonderful after you've done it for a while..but I still consider them to be a wonderful gift to man :p



Anyways I will parachute 30 mg's wait till I can feel the fuzzy mood lift, and then rail 30 and report back as I'm sure everyone is extremely interested to know how it all went.

/sarcasm

Thanks for the good luck, I'll need it.

Yeah that sounds like a good plan. Give yourself 20 mins after the tums and them another 30-45 or so after the parachute before you think about railing the rest. Patience is going to be your friend here.

Good luck bro.

Alright, I ingested around 25-30 mg's orally at 11:45ish, its now 11:52, I'm gonna give it till 12:30 max before I decide my tolerance is too high and I should stick to snorting.

ugh, this thread pisses me off. im withdrawling from my prescription oxy right now, been on it since march, every fuckin day. my fault though, i started dickin around with extra doses cuz my tolerance was a bitch after taking them every day for half a year. glad i got ultrams prescribed too though, and a half oz of humboldt clinics finest.

Pop yourself around 600mg of the Ultram to ease the pain a bit. A little ganja can't hurt either :D

Alright, I ingested around 25-30 mg's orally at 11:45ish, its now 11:52, I'm gonna give it till 12:30 max before I decide my tolerance is too high and I should stick to snorting.

Still got nothing man? Was your stomach empty? When's the last time you ate? I find it strange that you've got absolutely nothing from this if your tolerance is only "moderate". I consider moderate to be barely notable..something you gain from maybe a week or two solid of OC use

Yep, ope withdrawals suck hardcore anus. God allows us to peak into heaven briefly, but if we overstay our welcome, he gives us a dose of hell.

I've quite overstayed my welcome, and I'm starting to overstay it again. I felt slight symptoms today, some I thought were physical, but I came down of of some adderall which, even though it was only 30 mg's and semi time release, bothered me. I HATE stimulant come downs, no matter how subtle, they suck. Anyways it probably sounds stupid I had slight physicals with my inconsistent and short use but I have a highly addictive personality and am prone to over think things. It was probably just the comedown of adderall and the cravings, although I was still feeling it about 7 hours after I started coming down. I've taken bupe in between a couple of binges too. Anyways I'm gonna grab a couple of sub's from this girl and keep myself on very small doses of that, maybe 2 mg tops, but only for the first time, the rest will be 1 mg or lower.

I really hope that works. I can handle the cravings if I try, and after 2 stints in detox and one in a resedential treatment center for 8 months, I really can't fuck up again, and it horrifies me.

I honestly should never touch opiates again, and I'm sure I'll find my fair share of people in real life and on here who will call me an idiot for touching that shit again, and there completely right, I am an idiot.

But... if I keep getting better at guitar and I use my creativity, I could become a rockstar, then I'd do IV heroin everyday and smoke lots of weed so I eat somewhat properly. Seriously, if I was a rockstar, there'd be know way I would pass up the opportunity to become a full blown heroin addict and be able to support it for the rest of my life, and be able to up the dose everytime and tell tolerance to fuck itself. Course I'd collapse a vein and die eventually, so I'd probably stick to snorting and smoking, I'm pretty sure I could live to a ripe old age doing that. I'd buy only the best heroin and have people filter it out and stuff so the cut is gone and it becomes pure or something, I'm pretty sure its possible to do insane amounts of heroin everyday and still die naturally, so long as it wasn't IVing and I could purify the already insanely good heroin I was getting.

Sorry, I was day dreaming.

The fuzzy feeling you (Before the Opiate) described is kicking in. There almost no noticeable high, its ever so subtle, but the mood lift is apparent and the cravings and slight physicals are gone.

Anyways it's been a little over a half hour since I parachuted the 25-30 mg's, should I wait longer to see if an actual high kicks in? Or just snort the other 30 mg's. If you read this far I don't care my post was long, you didn't have to read it.

The only advantage sniffing has on oral is a faster come-on and a taste of the IV rush, albeit a tiny one.

Oral, however, lasts longer, is stronger overall, and as long as you crush/chew the time release oxy comes on plenty fast enough.

If you've already eaten a dose and are going to take more just take it orally...that is unless you DON'T want the most out of it (insert fiendish IV suggestion).

The fuzzy feeling you (Before the Opiate) described is kicking in. There almost no noticeable high, its ever so subtle, but the mood lift is apparent and the cravings and slight physicals are gone.

Anyways it's been a little over a half hour since I parachuted the 25-30 mg's, should I wait longer to see if an actual high kicks in? Or just snort the other 30 mg's. If you read this far I don't care my post was long, you didn't have to read it.

Since you're getting the feeling now I'd wait about another 20-25 mins to see what else happens. If you continue to improve in mood and euphoria you could even wait longer before railing the rest. From here on out it's all up to you man.

Still got nothing man? Was your stomach empty? When's the last time you ate? I find it strange that you've got absolutely nothing from this if your tolerance is only "moderate". I consider moderate to be barely notable..something you gain from maybe a week or two solid of OC use

Well it was 7 minutes then, its almost been 40 minutes now. I notice a small high. Not just the fuzzy mood lift, but a slight slight high. I'll give it 6 more minutes till its been exactly 45 minutes.

Anyways I don't know why my tolerance is like this. If moderate tolerance (only a small change) occurs after a week or two of solid OC use (I'm assuming everyday, on average one good dose a day, 30 mg's or so) then I wouldn't even have moderate tolerance. I've been using it again for almost a month. However I started out using it once, doing 10 mg's, then a week later I did 25 mg's then 3 days later another 20 mg's, stopped for 4-5 days, did 2 mg's of subutex, 4 days later did some more oxy (30-40 mg's), then the day after that I finished the remaining 40 mg's, stopped for 2-3 days. Bought another 80, killed it in two nights (50 mg's the first, 30 mg's the second), waited 24 hours, did 1.5 mg of subutex. Bought another a 40, which was actually last sunday or something. Did it in one night. Bought two 80's a day later on tuesday, did a full 80 one night, then I did the other 80 all throughout wednesday, leaving around 30 mg's which I did thursday morning and thursday night 15 mg's each time. Today I took a time release 30 mg adderall, I cracked the capsule a bit when I was rolling it around trying to crush the beads a bit, but I assume it was mostly time release. And now I'm at this point.

That whole story is kind of accurate, I don't really remember every time but that seems kind of close. Although I've been told that once you become physically addicted to oxy and come off it, if you go back to it tolerance builds up much much faster and easier.

Anyways its been over 45 minutes so I guess I'll snort the next 30 mg's. I feel a pretty big mood lift and very slight physical high, just a tiny kind of light and airy feel.

Anyways using that recollection of my recent use, my history with the drug, and my personality, how would you judge my tolerance?

Anyways using that recollection of my recent use, my history with the drug, and my personality, how would you judge my tolerance?

Well, I'm guessing it is most likely considerable as of now. The reason being I think that some people reach a certain tolerance using substances like opiates that only very long periods without can fix. I went through a period where I was using Fentanyl a lot from January to about mid-June of this year. Since I stopped using it my tolerance has stayed at a reasonably high level and hasn't shown any signs of dropping. I've hit a new rung on my tolerance ladder (so to speak) and apparently that's where I'm going to be staying. BUT, as I stated above I do believe that if I were to stop opes all together for a very long period of time it would drop significantly (if not completely) once more.

Also, OC's tend to bump up a persons tolerance faster than some of the lesser opes for very obvious reasons and since that is the bulk of your recent opiate outings it's doing so in a much quicker manner. I would suggest using the DXM when potentiating from here on out simply because it's possible that it can keep a person's tolerance in check.

Since you're getting the feeling now I'd wait about another 20-25 mins to see what else happens. If you continue to improve in mood and euphoria you could even wait longer before railing the rest. From here on out it's all up to you man.

Yeah I guess I'll give it until quarter till midnight. That will have been a full hour. My stomach was completely empty save 75 mg's benadryl (i take it as a sleep aid also so I have a tolerance to it). The tums are in my parents bedroom and there already asleep and have been suspicious about me recently so I didn't even want to bother, I don't think it will make much of a difference though do you? Obviously if you have tums just lying around you might as well take a few to achieve the slight improvement of effects, but I don't think it'll be the difference from decent mood lift to actual buzz...

Other then that there was nothing in my stomach, I haven't eaten this whole day, skipped breakfast cause' I was running late for work, and popped the addy, so eating wasn't on my things to do list. I wrapped it in 1 ply toliet paper and used a bit more then half of one square.

Read my post before this one if you don't mind, maybe with the information I tried to give, you could make a better assessment of my tolerance and stuff.

Anyways thanks for all the responses and shit bro, very much appreciated as I expected flames considering this is my umpteenth "answer my questions" thread. I wish I had another nodder to jam with where I live. Jamming up here is slang for railing oxy, we also never use rail to describe snorting, we use blow and blowing, but railing seems popular here so I use it.

Thanks again, been an hour, I'll blow/rail/sniff/snort/insulfate the remaining 30 mg's and see what happens. The feeling from the oxy I ate isn't getting any stronger, its leveled off. It gave me a mood lift, removal of any cravings, and very small high, I don't even know if you could consider it a high. Hopefully the 30 mg's on top of this will produce a good buzz for a half hour or so, then it'll slowly taper down as the oral dose wears off.

Oh, last thing, the dose I took might have been anywhere as small as 20 mg's but definitely not lower then that, also could have been a 30. The halfway mark is right between the O and the C or the 8 and the 0, I cut a piece off with a gift card right in the middle of the 0. So if it was () C it is now ) C, maybe a little more missing.

Well, I'm guessing it is most likely considerable as of now. The reason being I think that some people reach a certain tolerance using substances like opiates that only very long periods without can fix. I went through a period where I was using Fentanyl a lot from January to about mid-June of this year. Since I stopped using it my tolerance has stayed at a reasonably high level and hasn't shown any signs of dropping. I've hit a new rung on my tolerance ladder (so to speak) and apparently that's where I'm going to be staying. BUT, as I stated above I do believe that if I were to stop opes all together for a very long period of time it would drop significantly (if not completely) once more.

Also, OC's tend to bump up a persons tolerance faster than some of the lesser opes for very obvious reasons and since that is the bulk of your recent opiate outings it's doing so in a much quicker manner. I would suggest using the DXM when potentiating from here on out simply because it's possible that it can keep a person's tolerance in check.

Yeah, hopefully my tolerance hasn't gotten high enough before I started using DXM. Anyways I plan to stop OC and buy a N8 Sub and use it for the rest of the weekend and up until monday/monday night. I got a concert to go to on the 10th, Joe Satriani, so I wanna buy an 80 for that. Using bupes still counts as doing opes though so its really not like I'm taking a break from opes, only using weaker ones, so I'm guessing filling in the days I don't do OC with bupe is just like doing opiates everyday and will produce physical symptoms eventually. I'm hoping the time between tuesday morning and friday night will remove a lot of tolerance and give me a decent break so I don't plunge right back into addiction.

I can also judge if I were to parachute the whole 60 mg's instead of half oral half nasal I'd feel a noticeable buzz, though I don't know how strong. When I did the whole 80 tuesday night it had been 5 days since the sub, and I had done 40 mg's the night before and 15 mg's about 5 hours before I did the 80. It got me pretty rocked for 20 minutes before tapering off, though it only felt like what 30 mg's use to feel like my first few times.

Whenever you get tired of responding, let me know ^^

Yeah man I've got your reply waiting, it seems we're just a step behind each other every time :).

I don't mind helping you either dude. That's what this forum is supposed to be about. You've got a good head on your shoulders and aren't against figuring some things out for yourself.

As far as the tums go it's really just something that adds to the opiates by helping you absorb a bit more. It isn't something that'd be worth fucking with the 'rents at this time of night for.

Next time you hit a walgreens or something for some potentiation supplies don't forget to pick up some DXM and a bottle of Tums along with everything else.

I used to use toe nail clippers (brand new ones) to shave off my OC. It works perfectly, best method I've ever tried, it leaves the powder in small shavings so they don't just fly through your nose and into your mouth. However my parents knew this when they first found out about my addiction. My mom sometimes goes through my room and tries to listen in to my convos, I don't blame her but I'll be 18 in a month, I'm still very productive (of course this is no excuse), so I want her to stop worrying, her worrying won't make me stop, so if I fuck everything up it will have been inevitable and there would have been nothing she could have done this time around. So anyways when she was searching through my closet, she found a pair of toe nail clippers I used to have before we moved. I really only used them 3-4 times, as the other times were at a friends house or done by the old school method of crushing with a card.

So anyways, on a sad note, I was splitting the pill (I split it down from one solid pill to several smaller ones, in this case I was going to split the remaining 30 mg's into 4-5 smaller pieces. I wanted to save 20 mg's so I placed the card far enough inward as to leave around 20 mg's in one solid chunk. Never when I split them do I think I'm risking them flying everywhere, usually I hold it between my fingers so it splits and the two chunks are literally in the same spot, just split. Anyways this time I split the pill so I would get a 30 mg piece and a 20 mg piece, but when I split it somehow it looked like a lot less. I put the three pieces back together and it seemed somewhat the same size, missing parts where the splits occurred. There was a couple mg's of powder left on my surface too. I think maybe a piece the size of 10 mg's or so shot out somewhere. So now I have around 15 mg's left and I blew 25 mg's. I feel a very very nice mood lift, everything is just good, I always feel like tomorrow I'll make everything up to my parents that I put them through, but soon as I wake up its gone. I feel a decent physical buzz. I got a small rush, I always described the rush by saying I feel like I'm being filled. As it comes on I feel a meshy kind of slight but pleasurable feeling coming onto my face then other parts of my body. The actual high I'm feeling right now is very pleasurable, I am by no means "cheesed out" (cheese means oxy, cheesed out = oped out) nor have I gotten anywhere near the level of the kind of floaty tingly warmth. I always pictured the feeling like someone floating in the middle of a cloud in heaven. The cloud totally covers every part of there body and produces a fuzzy warming sensation over the body.

Anyways I've said everything I wanted to say about oxy in these last few posts, once I start talking about opiates, I don't stop, just talking/typing about them makes me feel good, but only if I am high on them or have some I can get high on when I want to, otherwise I just crave them badly.

So with that said, the 20-30 mg's I took orally was probably halfway through the plateau/peak portion of the high when I snorted the next 25-30 mg's. I think the combo of the greater bio-availability (sp?) of the oral dose and the rapid onset of the intranasal dose, and the fact I hadn't done any opiates today all contributed to make a somewhat stronger high then I would have gotten if I had snorted the entire 50-60 mg's.

Hopefully I can either find the piece I think shot out from under the card, or prove to myself nothing shot out, otherwise if I'm ever craving it while I'm stopping, I'll be looking through my carpet which is blue tan white and dark blue colored for hours on end.

I remember while I was using oxy every day (1 1/2 years ago), and probably had only recently started using it daily and only recently built up a strong tolerance, I had no oxy in the morning (was promised by a dealer I'd have some before school started, I blew the rest I had, he couldn't come through) I was looking around my entire car floor, under the seats, under the carpets, in the nooks and crannys, even gave my self a few small cuts, but I ended up finding 10 mg's worth, of course this didn't restore my dignity...

So all in all, worthwhile to do it half oral half anal, produced a nice high despite my tolerance, so I'll stick to doing it this way, cept I'll make the oral dose 5 mg's higher then the nasal dose.

Did anyone catch that? Oh by the way, Before the Opiate, do you have aim? I guess theres a totse IRC channel? I have used IRC hundreds of times for online games, so if you know the channel and have a personal nick I can contact I'd love to have it, so I can shoot you a pm or im when I have smaller questions. This being because you seem to know your opiates ^^ So, is it true its possible to catch the dragon?

Yeah I'm easiest to get ahold of via IRC.

I've gotten permission from an OP to invite you to the channel we use (rather than using the now worthless #bltc) and if you shoot me an email at capndazed@Hotmail.com I'll give you the channel info so you can join us

Yeah, I'll just grab the tums and stick em' in our downstairs medicine cabinet, I will definitely pick up some tussin' as well. Usually the clerks are all fucking asses about dxm, so I'll do the old self check out at wal-mart or hannaford's. Isn't DXM a semi-synthetic opiate, I mean like very semi-synthetic, I guess the chemical can be traced back to the poppy. Anyways maybe thats why DXM produces a more euphoric psychedelic experience then other psychedelics. I only tried it once, I remember a warm feeling on my face, at the time I'd only done codeine once and it was months before, or maybe I did codeine months after and I hadn't done an ope yet. So I don't really have a good memory of it but I do remember an actual pleasurable body feel. Thats why I hate psychedelics, there great for a planned out experience with a good friend, like when his rents are gone for the weekend, buy an oz of nug, some whippets and go on an adventure into your minds. But they don't force a good feeling on you like opiates, amps, coke (fucking despise coke) they just produce intense reality alterations, other then that the fun you get is from how different or cool it is to perceive everything without those pesty filters your brain uses.

Err... yeah anyways, the high is already going away, I might just blow the remaining 15-20. I have 1 mg of bupe I plan to do either tomorrow night or sunday morning depending on if I kill the rest of the OC tonight or tomorrow morning. How long, given the rate I've been using and the doses I've been taking, would I want to wait before ingesting the sub, I think 18-24 hours should be good as I'm not yet anywhere near the state of an addict, but I have been using some what often. I don't want the bupe starting a fight with the oxy, cause in the end they end up beating the hell out of me.

Just outta curiosity, how long and frequently have you been using opiates? How far into addiction would you describe yourself, and how far is the furthest you've been into addiction? Also when/if you were physically addicting, what is the worst the withdrawal symptoms (mainly physical ones I'm interested in) have been for you and what symptoms did you have? Of course this might be some personal stuff, or maybe its something you don't like to go into detail about, so if that's so, then don't worry about it.

Nother biig post :D

I'd be glad to discuss it all with you man but I'm getting a headache as we speak so I'll hold off on it for tonight. If you want to discuss it in another fashion however (with knowledgeable posters and generally cool people) with me in IRC all ya gotta do is hit me up at capndazed@hotmail.com and I'll give you the channel address. It's an invite only channel so i can't go broadcasting it here.

Talk to ya soon man

Sounds good, I meant for future times by the way, so I don't have to post all my silly little questions here. I'll shoot you an email before I go to bed. I ended up railing the rest, I actually had 20-25 mg's left instead of 15-20, so I would say there was around 5 mg's (give or take an mg) that I lost when I crushed up the pieces, the stuff left over even after you re-line the little bit left after you rail it, and to the edge of the card because even if you scrape the edge with another card and push the powder that falls back into the line, eventually your gonna either have a little bit left on the edge or away from the line. Plus I imagine a little bit might have fell outta my nose when I did the last line cause it was a little bit stuffy (the rest of the times it was fine).

So now I'm all out of OC, so much for conserving it. I've been high with a good mood lift and that fuzzy feeling you described, followed by a small light airy high, followed by a decent rush and buzz, followed by a slightly smaller buzz, since 12:15 till around 2:45ish (I lost track of time and my vision is blurred from the amps/opes/lack of sleep. Anyways now I just have that drowsy, satisfied but saddened to see it go, after-dose feeling. Usually I cannot sleep after doing amps, even if it was at 7 a.m. and I'm planning to go to bed at 2 a.m, and even if the dose is as low as 30 mg's on a somewhat broken time release. I imagine tonight I won't have trouble falling asleep. A good bowl of cereal, ham sandwich, chips and some pizza (to make up for the eating I didn't do today) and cigarette to wash it down with, I mean milk, cigarette to finish it off with.

Talk to ya'll tomorrow
BTO, or whatever your nick name would be, B4TheOpe, B4, Opiate, Before, or just Before the Opiate, I'll send you that email so you can kindly give me the IRC channel invite/details. Thanks again for the responses, info, guidance and reassurance, was very helpful as I'm just getting back into the chase and have lost some of my adventurer's tools and knowledge. Much <3 and happy nods for your future opiate endeavors.

holy shit how much must you guys type!?

somebodys snorting a little more than opiates.

I know I will probably catch a lot of flack for this, but I snort half and smoke half. I wait until I feel the lines and then I smoke the rest off some foil. Works great for me, you just need to do it right.

i will stand by this to the day i die, but the way to get the most outta your oxy is snort half, eat half...


theres pro's and cons to both, but any junkie can tell you the best opiate highs are mixing, matching, and experimenting, using a little bit of everything....


but stay away from the spike, OC spiked isn't as good as you'd think..