So I've found a lot of contradicting information regarding kratom. Is the active ingrediant water soluable or not? And is it destroyed by heat?

I made tea with 10 grams yesterday and got an ok buzz

Today I made tea with 20 grams but a lower grade of kratom. Felt about the same as yesterday, I just finished parachiting the rest of the oz and it's kicking in way more now..
I feel like I kinda wasted it making tea.

Is it better just to eat it?

whatever floats your boat, either way it gets into your stomach.

I only eat it, fuck all that tea stuff it tastes god-awful and eating it is so much more efficient.

Same goes for ground poppy pod. If you're not getting any more involved than a simple tea; eating for the win.

The same does not apply for tinctures or extractions of any sort, though in most cases you will be orally consuming the product. Hmm, 190 proof kratom extract enema anyone?

Kratom isn't that great either way...more of a potentiator than anything IMO. I think eating it is far more effective though.

First and for most: you have really shitty Kratom.

Kratom is good, but it does matter, significantly, where you get it from.

Making a tea, and having it stand for some time, prior to filtering out the particles is the best option.
I, myself, quite enjoy the earthy taste of kratom tea.
I find that it is significantly better to filter the fine powdered insoluble "tea" matter.

But understand: Kratom, is not analogous to "opiates". Its not something that reinforces "stinginess"(for the lack of a better word) in its use.
Its about the Quality.
If you are looking for an opiate high, you will be sorely disappointed.
But if you approach the herb, without prejudice expectations of its action, it is quite respectable.
Dont bitch because it doesn't feel like an opiate, its a novel and deserving herb, entirely on its own.

It is true Malaysian and Bali are the types which feel the most Opiate-ish, but other types are also quite desirable in my opinion.

Yes, kratom is a "bad drug", but it is a "good tea" with novel side effects.
And with average kratom it should not take more then ~6 gram to achieve desirable effects. Taking more, will not make the buzz stronger, but just get you sick.

You are doing this for a cheep buzz, and kratom is a bad candidate for this opinion.
But at least, give good quality kratom a try, before you formulate your opinion on the substance.

1. Put powdered kratom into hot water
2. Thoroughly mix by stirring.
3. Pour an equilavalent size cup of orange juice
4. Take long sip from kratomy water shit
5. Take Chaser of orange juice
6. Repeat steps 4-5, and if necessary repeat entire process.

Thought for sure this thread would be asking about smoking it.

I'm still waiting for the inevitable laughs resulting from the first desperate junkie attempting to IV a tincture or something.

How I do it is just put some water, or whatever drink in your mouth. Tilt head back dont swallow your drink, pour in the kratom, and swallow fast and take a few drinks along with that. Wont taist it at all.

TrueBudSmoker:

Yes kratom is soluble in water. If making tea take your time, do two strains, and simmer it as opposed to a heavy boil. Something acidic may be added for flavor and may aid the process. Also some add a minute amount of alcohol to aid the extraction as well. -Frankly I've found plain ol' water do just as good/sufficient a job.

In terms of what method of preparation is the best, it's all a matter of personal preference.

There are however some marked differences that come with each method, for instance:

Tea method will have a quicker and harder onset due to the alkaloids being pre-extracted. The tea method is also ideal for the heavy users that needs to consume large amounts of kratom to get an effect. -Thus the tea method is ideal as opposed to swallowing handfuls of powders which could easily result in unwanted nausea.

T&W method is good for those that don't want to waste time with the long process of making tea. It's quick and just as effective. It also has less taste factor for those that already may hate the taste of kratom. However getting down an effective toss and wash method may take some time to achieve. Many are likely to gag at their first attempt.

.peace.

...I'm still waiting for the inevitable laughs resulting from the first desperate junkie attempting to IV a tincture or something.

It's already been attempted. Several individuals on other forums have experimented with IV'ing pure isolates.

And if you ask me isolates are nonsensical and will only lead to attaining a crazy tolerance at an extremley fast rate. Not to mention it puts a wonderful plant, with many beneficial uses other than just geting high at risk of becoming scheduled.

.peace.

works just as well, taste is less noticeable , it just depends on if you can choke down that much powder

I'll revise my earlier statement and say cap the powder.

00 gel caps hold about 600 milligrams each, a standard capper does 50 pills at a time. 30 grams in capsules gets one high around 5 times. It takes about half an hour of preparation, but saves lots of time and gagging in the end. Plus, there's no risk of inhaling the powder while spooning and chasing with water. I put about a 5 gram tablespoon in my mouth once and as I opened up to chase it down with water I inhaled that shit. Choked so hard I thought I was gonna pass out...wasted 5 g's of Kraw too.

I have some good quality kratom. I took the shittiest one first and I'm working my way up.

I also got a free sample, the 10gs I made from the free sample equaled 20gs of the lowest quality kratom in my opinion. I still have 2 oz of the so called (good quality) kratom, so I guess I'll see how that is. Not today though.

The kratom I used yesterday was Indonesian... is Indonesian kratom known for being shitty?

And someone that weighs 200 pounds is obviously going to need more to get the same effects as someone who weighs 150 pounds.. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Thanks for the answer. It would appear Kratom is soluble in water, but on wikipedia it says "physically the freebase is a white, amorphous powder. It is soluble in alcohol, chloroform and acetic acid."

I'll add some lime juice next time, but when I did it with just water I still got high.. I don't understand how that works if it really is insoluble in water.

its obviously soluble in water if the main way to consume kratom is in a tea...lol.

Then answer this. Why is it that when you buy some extracts it comes dissolved in alcohol, not water?

Do you just assume it soluble in water because that's what everyone thinks?

Then answer this. Why is it that when you buy some extracts it comes dissolved in alcohol, not water?

Do you just assume it soluble in water because that's what everyone thinks?

I assume it's soluble in water because it is soluble in water otherwise it wouldn't produce any effects now would it?

It could also be soluble in alcohol, maybe slightly more soluble, but for convenience reasons most people use water instead of wasting good vodka on a mediocre plant that barely produces recreational effects.

I assume it's soluble in water because it is soluble in water otherwise it wouldn't produce any effects now would it?

It could also be soluble in alcohol, maybe slightly more soluble, but for convenience reasons most people use water instead of wasting good vodka on a mediocre plant that barely produces recreational effects.

Well you just said it yourself. Barley an effects.. so maybe it isn't all that soluble in water. hmmm..?

I drank the tea... and left the powder in there and drank the remaining sludge... it worked very well.

submerging it in any kind of water is going to make it easier to swallow.

LOL at eating large tablespoons full of powder. *CHOKES*

Well you just said it yourself. Barley an effects.. so maybe it isn't all that soluble in water. hmmm..?

Or maybe the reason they put it in alcohol is because the alcohol produces ALL the effects.

hmmmm??

Why don't you go waste $50 on kratom and then get drunk off the vodka you dissolve it in and pretend it has a higher solubility in alcohol because of the "increased effects".

at least when you dissolve it in water you know when its effecting you and to what degree.

Dude you are so ignorant don't even talk to me anymore. You don't get drunk off a few drops of alcohol.

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Here's something you should know kiddy.

Only some of the alkaloids are decently soluble in alcohol while others are only soluble in water.

So that "full spectrum" tincture is pure bullshit, but it sounds perfect for you go pay $50 for the equivalent of 2 resin pies($11) and prove me wrong.

I think you're trolling me so I'm not going to bother responding.

But if your not, and you really are that stupid, I feel sorry for you.

Yeah truebudsmoker, when in doubt; call someone else retarded, that makes you look like you know what you're talking about.

look's like alberta's overflowing treasury just can't dish out enough money to teach a nigger new tricks.

why don't you research kratom solubility I can't believe I wasted all that time explaining shit to you, it looks like im the one that was trolled.

So that "full spectrum" tincture is pure bullshit, but it sounds perfect for you go pay $50 for the equivalent of 2 resin pies($11) and prove me wrong.

I simply said you don't find kratom extracts coming dissolved in water. So extract kratoms active ingrediants, common sense tell me you don't just use water.

It seems to me your trying to tell me that extract isn't that cost effective.. but did I even dispute that?

You are trying to argue with me about something completely irrelevant to this discussion, thats why I think you are retarded.

Try to stay on topic.

Maeng Da Thai is the most potent strain I've ever tried. I highly recommend it. A few grams gets you buzzin' pretty strong.

I'll probably get flamed for saying this - but I think I prefer kratom to opiates (sans oxycodone). Opiates are too sedating; I enjoy the subtle energy-lift of kratom. Not only that, but I don't find most opiates (and -oids if you want to be a SOB about it) terribly euphoric.

I simply said you don't find kratom extracts coming dissolved in water. So extract kratoms active ingrediants, common sense tell me you don't just use water.

It seems to me your trying to tell me that extract isn't that cost effective.. but did I even dispute that?

You are trying to argue with me about something completely irrelevant to this discussion, thats why I think you are retarded.

Try to stay on topic.

Try to learn when you're being lead on sonny.

Try to learn when you're being lead on sonny.

I think you're trolling me

An easy cover for your stupidity.

How much is a few? like 3 gs?

An easy cover for your stupidity.

Way to change your post. Your new answer is much more self aware than the other one.

Actually my new answer contradicts myself, but I'm glad to see you're watching this thread so closely.

Do you remember your old answer billy?

How much is a few? like 3 gs?

Uh, yeah

I've heard people say as little as two grams will do you good. I didn't actually weight it when I tried it, though. I just scooped out a spoon's worth.

Do you remember your old answer billy?

no could you remind me plz?

While your at it you could tell me both my old answers.

I took 20 grams of kratom in basically one long disgusting powdery chug from a failed attempt at making tea.

While I choked it all down and fought the nausea, I definitely felt a vicodin-ish like high.

I did this on a totally starved and empty stomache, with only water ingested for 24 hours before hand to control my heartburn.

I mixed 10 grams of Bali and 10 grams of I think it was Thai... I dunno, it was that 20 gram give-away kratom king did a while ago.

It is easier if you wrap it in toilet paper into balls.. you can put like 2gs and wrap it up in a ball, then cut off the excess toilet paper.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

I typed out a fucking page, and you act like a dumb ungrateful dip-shit.

Don't ever expect a serious answer from me again.

I tried parachuting kratom, I had like a gram of 15x extract and swallowed it all.
Didn't do yak shit.
Tried microwaving it, at first it exploded leaving my microwave coated with a yukkie kratom coating and me with this face that exact face, exactly like that.

Then I tried microwaving it again a bit carefullererer. And I didn't feel yak shit.

Then I remembered I had left a small amount (maybe like 0.5g) of kratom in some vodka n coke for like 20mins.
Drank that, and felt guuud.

Unfortunately I had wasted all my other kratom on failed attempts so...50$ completely wasted.
Fuck this shit, and there's no weed in my town either.
Good thing Im so fucking high on life

Toss N Wash.

I typed out a fucking page, and you act like a dumb ungrateful dip-shit.

Don't ever expect a serious answer from me again.

For some reason I took offense to your post but now that I go back and look at it It doesn't seem to offend me.

meh/

Personally I prefer to add the powder into a thick smoothy. The powder is suspended and goes down well. If you add it to OJ, the kratom sinks to the bottom. Here is an information site with several methods: http://kratom-world.com/

Eat. Yum.

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Fuck you and your spamming ass: Ban this motherfucker

dont make tea, it's ineffective, i've never tried to make it but i have heard from numerous people on the internetz that it is... just buy the powder (go with the bali, it's the cheapest yet gets me higher than most of the expensive shit) put some on a spoon, dump it in your mouth, dump water in your mouth, swish violently, then swallow.... i usually take 14 grams to get a good feeling going.