I am going to try E for the first time some time soon, and I'd like some info:

1. How long will my eyes be dilated to the extreme?
2. Will I be noticabley inebriated?
3. If so, can I "snap out of it"?
4. Any special tips on stuff to bring on our little vacation? I'm bringing menthol and djarum black cigs, music, light up stuff, and maybe pop rocks because I haven't heard of anyone trying it yet lol.
5. I heard 5-HTP can help with the day-after seritonin depletion? How do I dose it? It's just an uneducated assumption, but If I were to take it at the wrong time (before instead of after the experience or vis versa) could it increase risks of seritonin syndrome?

All help is appreciated, thanks!

some people take 5-HTP at recommended doses or higher for several days before rolling...

I came down hard the first time i rolled... remembered that serotonin is produced by 5-HTP and B-6... so i went down to the CVS and bought both... took 1 B-6 and 2 of the 5-HTP caps, and did one of both later in the day... noticed an improvement as far as not feeling nearly as shitty....

1. upwards of 5 or 6 hours...
2. possibly, a big smile on your face and the urge to talk and do whatever feels good at the time...
3. Eh, i was on them in front of family... same rules apply as when your on just about anything you shouldnt be on around your parents/authority figures... keep conversations simple and short... try to avoid having to look them in the eye....
4. I hear Vics vapor rub is nice... i would get those little kool aid packets for bottles of water... taste nice...

some people take 5-HTP at recommended doses or higher for several days before rolling...

I came down hard the first time i rolled... remembered that serotonin is produced by 5-HTP and B-6... so i went down to the CVS and bought both... took 1 B-6 and 2 of the 5-HTP caps, and did one of both later in the day... noticed an improvement as far as not feeling nearly as shitty....

abstaining from the mdma, would these in combination lift your mood? And this would probably be pretty easily abused. :(

The couple of times I took E my pupils were dilated for about 8 hours even after the effects of the MDMA wore off. I suspect it might have been the meth or my pupils just still happened to be dilated from the MDMA regardless of the effects.

LOL @ abusing 5 HTP.


If your pills have meth there is no way you will be able to sit still, making it obvious.

abstaining from the mdma, would these in combination lift your mood? And this would probably be pretty easily abused. :(

Haven't really tried it.... It might help you feel a bit less depressed if your feeling shitty because of a lack of serotonin... I doubt it would cause a crazy mood lift that resulted in euphoria but possibly better than depressed....

Aspartame is the precursor to dopamine synthesis.... there was a thread about it with alot of mixed results..... JoePedo reports amazing success so i trust that it has the potential, other people experienced a little bit of a change, others felt pretty good...

There was talk about combining the two...

People answered your questions, so I'll just say this:

Vics vapor rub, vics inhalers, icy hot therapy gel, methol cigarettes, some kind of minty gum or breath mint strips (or both), glow sticks or any other kind of pretty light, lots of water, and a girl to stick your penis into. Well, not necessarily on that last one. Kissing, cuddling, touching will do just fine :D

Yeah I think my roll is at least a bit cut with meth, got my friend up all night, and he hasn't eaten for two days after. But that could be the comedown. I'd probably handle the meth restlessness decently though SN, I take adderall daily and abuse it sometimes, and it actually makes me zone out super still.

1. How long will my eyes be dilated to the extreme?

couple hours, they do get big though. not always a tell tale sign of rolling however

2. Will I be noticabley inebriated?

quite possibley. especially if its real mdma. the dead give away is your your own worst enemy. you'll probally over talk most likely..

3. If so, can I "snap out of it"?

you can if you have to keep it quick. i wouldn't suggest driving. but if you ran into someone who shouldn't know your high as long as your not trapped with em you're probally alright...

4. Any special tips on stuff to bring on our little vacation? I'm bringing menthol and djarum black cigs, music, light up stuff, and maybe pop rocks because I haven't heard of anyone trying it yet lol.

gatoraide. fucking gateroaide man. also good idea on the variety in smokeables. you'll be a fucking chimney, even if you don't smoke. music is key, silence sucks on e. however ambient noise [city sounds, beach] are pretty good alternative. the light up shit is tacky. the pop rocks would be cool, if your mouth wasn't dry as a bone..

5. I heard 5-HTP can help with the day-after seritonin depletion? How do I dose it? It's just an uneducated assumption, but If I were to take it at the wrong time (before instead of after the experience or vis versa) could it increase risks of seritonin syndrome?

no idea dude, its your first time, you probally don't need to do shit. mdma in itself doesn't comedown hard, nor really leave you hung over [with one time useages no]. but chances are, your getting a peice of the pie. have experience with a stim comedown just incase. if your paranoid, i'd say have a valium/klonopin/ambien handy...



also, get some pot. and most importantly, someone you rather like to do it with. makes a good date..

if it makes you happier than yeah i can see using it every day. Thus forming a habbit and forming an attachment to them. Or are they just vitamins? im guessing they probably are. If so please feel free to kick me in the nuts

Thanks I fucking love you guys lol.

I'd totally roll with my girl, but she rolled a FUCKING lot just last year, not for fun though. She was/is kinda crazy and used drugs as a prolonged suicide ( I learned thats why she wouldn't smoke bud, because its safe lmao!).

So she doesn't want to use anymore.

But I got my closest friends, were going to have a fire on the beach with some tunes, plus all suggested preperations. I want to pick up some more rolls and invite more people that I like. Theres this really cool girl I've chilled with before, shes cute, but no sexual interest really, but shes awesome and I'd imagine it'd spur great friendship connections.

All of us layed out on blankets at night and stuff. Sounds almost too good to actually happen this way, I hope it does :)

if it makes you happier than yeah i can see using it every day. Thus forming a habbit and forming an attachment to them. Or are they just vitamins? im guessing they probably are. If so please feel free to kick me in the nuts
If having normal levels of serotonin is addictive, yeah, that's some very addictive shit lol.


But seriously it is used as a daily supplement. IMHO it is a much better "depression" treatment than prozac or any of the other shitty reuptake inhibitor drugs. It lets your body do it's own thing, and produce what it needs from the precursor (HTP) that you give it. The rest is excreted.

As opposed to the prescription serotonin altering drugs that actually change the way the system works, creating much much more risk.


I take 5htp daily. As a matter of fact I take several neurotransmitter precursors daily.


It's the safest way to get your body and mind to run the way they should, along with proper diet and exercise of course.


Shortages of any of them can result in all kinds of shitty fucked up states of mind, that most people call depression, anxiety, scatter brain feeling, all kinds of shit. If your mind and body have the fuels they need they can run more efficiently and do their job better.

It really does help you learn, and be a more stable person, emotionally.


Not addictive at all, or even abusable, because like I said, the excess is excreted from your body unchanged.


Many people, including myself swear by them.


EDIT jamaica, aspartame is not itself the precursor, but rather an artificial sweetener that contains phenylalanine which is the precursor to levo-tyrosine which is the precursor to levo-dopa.

I really didnt get that hypersexual the first time i rolled... i rolled with family though, still it was just sort of a fuckload of happy and feeling togetherness.... with someone not related this might have translated into other things but not with her...

I really didnt get that hypersexual the first time i rolled... i rolled with family though, still it was just sort of a fuckload of happy and feeling togetherness.... with someone not related this might have translated into other things but not with her...
Don't lie, you know you ate your cousin out.

EDIT jamaica, aspartame is not itself the precursor, but rather an artificial sweetener that contains phenylalanine which is the precursor to levo-tyrosine which is the precursor to levo-dopa.

yea my short term memory has been a bit shot lately..... couldn't remember phenylalanine. My short term memory seems better when i was high everyday, its been about 11 days since any drug use..

Don't lie, you know you ate your cousin out.

sister actually.... but no, sorry no incest took place....

This sucks I want a chick to roll with aNd Cuddle all nght. i think ANy gilr i give a pill will do that shit with me thouh or you think it'd be weird? like pretty good friends but never done shit.

Theres this really cool girl I've chilled with before, shes cute, but no sexual interest really, but shes awesome and I'd imagine it'd spur great friendship connections.)

Have her lick your eyelids and blow some of the vics inhaler on them.

Srsly.

I really didnt get that hypersexual the first time i rolled... i rolled with family though, still it was just sort of a fuckload of happy and feeling togetherness.... with someone not related this might have translated into other things but not with her...

Not planning on any sexual stuff ( I don't cheat), maybe a back rub and some hugging. Whenever I do anything like that with a girl other than my GF, I just think wether or not I'd get pissed if she did the same, seems fair to me at least.

This girl I just am really into, not to date. But the first day I met her I was really blown away by the fact that she can listen to what you say, and have a real conversation with you! That is an epic accomplishment for a high school girl thats also easy on the eyes. She was down with trying a psychedelic with me sometime too. Her along with long time friends, and one of their gfs will be perfect company.

your gona have fun rolling in that setting.
You should bring weed or beer too
youd have more fun with that
but tunes and friends while your rolling will make it amazing
oh yah youll like watching the beach too itl be nice

That depends on how high you get.

couple hours, they do get big though. Not always a tell tale sign of rolling however



quite possibley. Especially if its real mdma. The dead give away is your your own worst enemy. You'll probally over talk most likely..



You can if you have to keep it quick. I wouldn't suggest driving. But if you ran into someone who shouldn't know your high as long as your not trapped with em you're probally alright...



Gatoraide. Fucking gateroaide man. Also good idea on the variety in smokeables. You'll be a fucking chimney, even if you don't smoke. Music is key, silence sucks on e. However ambient noise [city sounds, beach] are pretty good alternative. The light up shit is tacky. The pop rocks would be cool, if your mouth wasn't dry as a bone..



No idea dude, its your first time, you probally don't need to do shit. Mdma in itself doesn't comedown hard, nor really leave you hung over [with one time useages no]. But chances are, your getting a peice of the pie. Have experience with a stim comedown just incase. If your paranoid, i'd say have a valium/klonopin/ambien handy...



Also, get some pot. And most importantly, someone you rather like to do it with. Makes a good date..

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I take 5htp daily. As a matter of fact I take several neurotransmitter precursors daily.


It's the safest way to get your body and mind to run the way they should, along with proper diet and exercise of course.

...Just wondering, what other suppliments are these you speak of?

5htp made a pretty noticeable difference to my general mood and wellbeing, and I'm hoping there's more of these sorts of precursors that can help me further.

/derail thread

I would say it's pretty obvious that you are on something

But seriously it is used as a daily supplement. IMHO it is a much better "depression" treatment than prozac or any of the other shitty reuptake inhibitor drugs. It lets your body do it's own thing, and produce what it needs from the precursor (HTP) that you give it. The rest is excreted.

As opposed to the prescription serotonin altering drugs that actually change the way the system works, creating much much more risk.
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I feel the exact same way. I've taken a ton of different anti-depressants and my 5-HTP regimen has made me feel more emotionally stable than any of the SSRIs etc. ever did, with nary any side effect. Gives me more replenishing sleep, as well, considering I take one dose in morning and one dose at night.

When I've told some doctors I take 5-HTP when they ask about supplements and OTCs, some of them (I'm talking about psychiatrists here) don't even seem familiar with what it is; I actually have to explain that it's a precursor to serotonin which, in my opinion, is pathetic. Big Pharma ftw, I guess.

I feel the exact same way. I've taken a ton of different anti-depressants and my 5-HTP regimen has made me feel more emotionally stable than any of the SSRIs etc. ever did, with nary any side effect. Gives me more replenishing sleep, as well, considering I take one dose in morning and one dose at night.

When I've told some doctors I take 5-HTP when they ask about supplements and OTCs, some of them (I'm talking about psychiatrists here) don't even seem familiar with what it is; I actually have to explain that it's a precursor to serotonin which, in my opinion, is pathetic. Big Pharma ftw, I guess.My doctor wanted me to try cymbalta for my leg pain and I asked if taking HTP was ok, knowing damn well there was a risk, and this stupid bitch told me it was fine, without even asking how much I took, and started me on 60mg cymbalta a day.

Well that was awesome. I took 15mg hydrocodone, and 60mg codeine for kicks. Didn't get the dreamed of setting at all, but this pill was definatley pure, not strong, but I couldn't feel anything familiar (amps).

Talked so much and smoked sooo much with my good buddy. My other buddy said that it was a waste of a roll to just talk and listen to tunes, walk outside in the park etc.

This day wins hard, earlier in the day I rushed to my GFs house thinking she was about to kill herself, she didn't, but my caring actions made a large impact and now she isn't killing herself! MDMA is beauitful, I don't see a strong addiction potential even, it was one hell of an experience, doing it too much would ruin everything.

Learned:
1. We all have so much self awareness we take for granted being humans.
2. The idea of music biologically is usless, we have ears for survival, but we clicked shit together till it sounded great to us.

All types of other shit pertaining to emotions and the concious of groups and stuff too. Beautiful is the only way I'd describe this drug, pure, shimmering beauty.

because like I said, the excess is excreted from your body unchanged.

Does this mean I can take as much 5-HTP as I like without negative consequences IE serotonin syndrom or things like that? Because I'm scared sometimes that preloading in combination with bomb quality rolls is too risky. Hence I only "post-load", if that makes sense!

Wow I got absolutely no hangover. Just what I guess I'd call an afterglow. felt somewhat euphoric all day, and my cig in the morning kicked it in for like 30 minutes again lol.

So did anyone lick your eyelids?