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Old 2008-09-28, 07:34
Abnormal987 Abnormal987 is offline
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Default opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

I have a bottle of Chlorpheniramine/Hydrocodone Extended-Release Suspension and my friend has a bottle of Codeine/Promethazine. I want to mix them up and crush up some benadryl and put it in the mix too(maybe overkill due to other antihistimines?). Mine is in a bottle of tussionex suspension but there is no listing of how many mg each. My friends bottle he got from a friend and the label with that part has been ripped off. The dose prescribed on my bottle is 1 tbsp every 12 hours and his doesn't have this indication either. I was wondering if it is safe to mix this, and with benadryl, also what kind of dose would be good? Also, would it safe to throw some dextromethorphan into the mix? Thanks for any help.
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Old 2008-09-28, 08:54
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Tussionex ER: Each 5ml dose contains 10mg Hydrocodone/8mg Chlorpheniramine

First off, what is your tolerance like?

For the syrup I'd suggest taking just a swig and giving it about 10 minutes if you've got a relatively low tolerance. The Chlorpheniramine shouldn't be a problem being mixed with benadryl but I'm unsure exactly why you'd want to do so. All that is noted about mixing with Diphenhydramine is that you should consult a doctor beforehand..meaning that it isn't generally dangerous but is most likely suggested to prevent the stacking of medications that cause drowsiness. If it's for the itch relief I'm pretty sure the Chlorpheniramine in the sizzurp should handle that for you alone.

I'm also curious as to why you'd want to add Dex into the mix. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be a problem (namely in the small doses) but I wouldn't suggest trying to hit a plateau with the stuff.

As far as your buddies syrup it is slightly similar to yours. His is a weaker form of opiate and phenergan which is a medication that causes drowsiness and relieves upset stomach and nausea. Dosing with it would be similar to what I stated above but you may want to take into consideration that Phenergan generally makes people quite a bit more drowsy than an antihistamine will and considering codeine is quite a bit weaker you'll need more of the syrup to get the desired effects unless you've got a relatively low tolerance.

Hope this helps.
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Old 2008-09-28, 08:57
DrY.R.Head DrY.R.Head is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

Doxylamine does not dry one out as much as those others, and it has mixed well with the ope too.
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Old 2008-09-28, 09:03
The Doc The Doc is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

I found this for you:

Chlorpheniramine/Hydrocodone Extended-Release Suspension: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/hydr_chl.htm

Codeine/Promethazine: http://www.onlinedrugtest.info/generic-promethazine-with-codeine-information.html

From what I can see, the Hydrocodone solution (Tussionex) has 10mg of Hydrocodone and 8mg of Chlorpheniramine per 5ml.
The Codeine solution has 10mg of Codeine and 6.25mg of Promethazine per 5ml.

Whats your tolerance like? No tolerance? Try 10-20mg of the Hydrocodone solution or 50-60mg of the Codeine solution.
If you have a tolerance, then you already know what you are doing and should dose accordingly.

I would just down the proper amount of solution and chase it with some soda or something, but if you must make this stuff, mix the syrup with some of your favorite soda (or use traditional Sprite) and add a Jolly Rancher candy. Mix up and drink.

Peace.
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Old 2008-09-28, 20:54
Abnormal987 Abnormal987 is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

Ah! thanks guys, this is the most welcoming totse experience I've had in all the years I've been lurking. I was expecting to be called a retard.

As for the surp, I guess I won't mix them both I'll drink mine and my friend will drink his because I'm alot bigger I think I'll need the stronger mixture. I did think hydrocodone was stronger then the codeine. I do not really have a lot of experience with opiates though, but since I got this for a severe cough I figure I'd try them out. I have exactly 50ml left of my surp, and I don't know how much he has of his. He's a lil' wayne fan so he wants to make his surp and pretend he's cool or something, I'll never understand. I'm a drug fan so I'll drink my drink straight, like my booze, haha.

As far as how much I should take, I wouldn't say I have a tolerance, but I was taking it every day or other day for the cough, and last night I took 2tsp(10ml?) to see if it would effect me, but I kind of just fell asleep. I'm going to save this for next friday, so I guess half the bottle, 25ml, and a blunt, should do me good?(I'm a pretty big guy too)

Thanks alot guys, you'v been a great help, I couldnt' find those 2 websites with dosages.
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Old 2008-09-28, 21:31
KernalError KernalError is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

I love Tussionex. My first opiate experience too. Just get one of those cups they usually put ontop of the cap and fill it halfway. I'm sure there are difference sizes so fuck it, just sip it until you're where you want to be. The liquid won't take too long to effect you. Especially on an empty stomach.

Get some music, a blanket and turn off those damn lights. Maybe some grapefruit juice. Gah.
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Old 2008-09-28, 21:47
Abnormal987 Abnormal987 is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

Ah good advice. I'll just sip it. I couldn't possibly get sick/od on 50mg of the stuff, could I? Not saying I'm going to drink the whole thing, just wondering.
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Old 2008-09-28, 22:20
KernalError KernalError is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

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Originally Posted by Abnormal987
Ah good advice. I'll just sip it. I couldn't possibly get sick/od on 50mg of the stuff, could I? Not saying I'm going to drink the whole thing, just wondering.


I would worry more about the Chlorpheniramine more than the Hydrocodone. I think starting out for you, 50 mg would be a cozy experience. If you feel like you want to/can, drink a bit more. However, 100 mg with little tolerance could make you want to throw up. Maybe less than that even. Lower if combined with APAP, from experience. Seeing as how APAP isn't involved, forget about that lol.

Now, as for the CPM(the other stuff, besides hydrocodone). You don't want to take too much of it. It's recommended that no more than 24 mg be taken in 24 hours. (Which would be 15ml syrup; 30 hydro/24 CPM).

However, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'm sure people can/have safely taken more than 24 mg of CPM.

What I've always loved about opiates(mainly if I don't do CWE) is their ability to slow time. Could have sworn I just laid there, dreaming yet awake for hours. You'll realize this when your really tired the next day.

Anyhow, your good. It's always best to decide for yourself what you take though. Have fun.
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Old 2008-09-29, 01:40
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Ah! thanks guys, this is the most welcoming totse experience I've had in all the years I've been lurking. I was expecting to be called a retard.

Your question was far from retarded man. The people who get flamed and called idiots generally are idiots and do deserve flaming for asking something dumb that could easily be figured out with a little search of the forums or some common sense. Your question was a good (and smart) one to ask and in those cases people are glad to help. I know I am.

Ah good advice. I'll just sip it. I couldn't possibly get sick/od on 50mg of the stuff, could I? Not saying I'm going to drink the whole thing, just wondering.

Nah, I agree with Kernal completely. At the most 50mg of Hydrocodone will cause you some nausea. If that does become the case and you can't seem to shake it by lying down or having a warm rag on the back of your neck or your forehead, simply go vomit a bit. It'll make you feel alot better and due to the fact that it's already in liquid form it should absorb considerably in a much shorter time than if it was in solid pill form.

As for the Chlorpheniramine don't worry about that either.
About 25ml will leave you feeling very nice from the Hydrocodone and such a dose would only be about 40mg of the Antihistamine.

The best advice for dosing is to start slow, know your body/substance/tolerance and move up as needed. Be sure you know the LD50 of the substances you're using so you won't cross into dangerous territory while trying to have a little fun. Pace yourself and enjoy. Having a bit of food on your stomach if you're relatively new to opiates is never a bad idea to curb the nausea.
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Old 2008-09-29, 03:47
Abnormal987 Abnormal987 is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

Well. Couldn't wait until the weekend. Drank what i had left haha, I feel pretty good. I'm assuming since I'm a big guy and had minimal tolerance it was perfect. I didn't think an opiate high would be like this. I always though it was kind of pass out on your couchish, I feel very nice and enjoyed my cigarette out back alot. Thanks for all your help guys! I keep rubbing my nose though. I think I might have a little bit of the itch everyone talks about to, I did end up taking 2 benadryl. I'm thinking about it and I would like to try smoking opium. Is it hard to get? Can I make it if I order poppy pods from the internet?
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Old 2008-09-29, 04:46
Aces N 8S Aces N 8S is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

opium is usually hard to find ad no, you cant make it from dried poppy pods you get online.

you can, however, make a tea from those pods that is an alternative method of injesting the opium.
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Old 2008-09-29, 05:41
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

I'm thinking about it and I would like to try smoking opium. Is it hard to get? Can I make it if I order poppy pods from the internet?

no you can make pod tea as the dude above me told you though. real opium is hard to find, your best bet would be planting/harvesting some yourself if your dead set about actually getting real opium...


now 30mgs and 120mgs of codiene-ish would probally be a good place for non tolerant you. i'm not really sure how much of the promethazine you'd have to worry about. however as has been said you'd be at 30mgs of hydrocodone before hitting the 24mgs of CPM...


so once there, just mix with codiene. i can't think of a CPM promethazine reaction to be worried about..
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Old 2008-09-29, 10:00
Abnormal987 Abnormal987 is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

I did take the rest of it last night. It's 6 am now I probably finished it off at like 12 12:30. I feel a little groggy or maybe still a little buzzed and I just woke up, now 5 and a half hours later. I mean, I ingested the CPM, I'm not dead, and my liver doesn't hurt...did I do a bad thing?
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Old 2008-09-29, 18:13
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Originally Posted by Abnormal987
Well. Couldn't wait until the weekend. Drank what i had left haha, I feel pretty good. I'm assuming since I'm a big guy and had minimal tolerance it was perfect. I didn't think an opiate high would be like this. I always though it was kind of pass out on your couchish, I feel very nice and enjoyed my cigarette out back alot. Thanks for all your help guys! I keep rubbing my nose though. I think I might have a little bit of the itch everyone talks about to, I did end up taking 2 benadryl. I'm thinking about it and I would like to try smoking opium. Is it hard to get? Can I make it if I order poppy pods from the internet?


I can't ever just have opiates around without taking them either. Seems that you got a great impression of what they're about. Nodding out is something some of the more potent opiates can cause you to do but Hydrocodone at those doses commonly just gives you a good feeling and a sense of well-being.

The itches are a very common part of it all and most people get it pretty bad on their noses. For me the most common areas I itch are my legs (knees namely) and my nose/cheeks. Sometimes different opiates cause itching in different places for me as well...strange but true.

If you're going to go the poppy route just simply making a tea and drinking it works quite well. The potency generally varies pretty wildly though so make sure you test with small glass and give it about 15-25 minutes before you continue downing the drink just to be safe. People have OD'd on this because of the unpredictability of the brew itself and they ended up getting careless.
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Old 2008-09-29, 18:46
Abnormal987 Abnormal987 is offline
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Default Re: opiate/antihistimine mixing and dose?

It was an alright experience, but the questions about opium and poppy were while I was still high, and wanted more, hah. Today I don't know if I could get into opiates. I guess I have an opiate "hangover" if you will, pretty tired and groggy today, and I feel strange, maybe it's a little guilt because I always told myself I wouldn't try any opiates. I suppose the "hangover" could also be the CPM which I conveniently forgot about once I started drinking it. Overall, I think my experience was a one time deal, I don't like how I feel today. Thanks for all the help though guys.
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Old 2008-09-29, 18:59
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NO WARNINGS potentiation formula!! /thread.
 
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