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Network (in)Security Interesting hacks and cracks. Info on firewalls, TCP/IP, encryption, networks, and security. The ins and outs of the phone system, caller services, how things work, what's illegal and what's not, cellular phones, beepers, telephony legislation, the PUC, ISDN, taps, who's listening, and switches. Talking about phones, hacking systems, technical advice, and such is completely LEGAL in the United States -- it's covered by the First Amendment. What's illegal is conspiracy to commit a crime. So if you say something like "Meet me at 2am so we can crack a can" or "I changed my cell phone's number myself" you are criminally liable. Stating "You can crack a can by doing thus-and-so" or "If you wanted to change a cell phone's number, you could do it like so" is perfectly OK. Posting passwords, calling card numbers, or credit card numbers is forbidden on this network. Posting such info will get you booted off the net.

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Old 2008-09-28, 00:06
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Default Mac Viruses?

I've never really messed around in the Mac world besides playing around with a macbook at Bestbuy and an old one at school 8 years ago.

I know they used to have a big draw for not having very many viruses, but since their user base has grown, anybody know how much easier it is to infect somebody? Or even know about how to do that? Like I said I have no experience whatsoever in Leopard.
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Old 2008-09-28, 03:15
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Default Re: Mac Viruses?

Learn Unix systems.

Congratulations, you just learned Mac systems.

to sum it up: It's a common misconception that there are "no viruses" for Mac, as with anything, it depends on a few factors:
1) How well you protect yourself

Erm, well that's really the only factor. Nothing is unhackable, but some stuff certainly would be a challenge. No one cares about writing viruses for mac anyway.

#!/usr/bin/perl
use warnings;
system('rm -rf /');

Oh shit, I just wrote a "Mac virus"
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Old 2008-09-29, 11:42
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Viruses on OS X would be almost impossible to spread because most programs aren't write-able by a lowly user. OS X has a proper UNIX-type security model.
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Old 2008-09-29, 19:41
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kenshin_kid, joined: 02/27/06
Default Re: Mac Viruses?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheum
Viruses on OS X would be almost impossible to spread because most programs aren't write-able by a lowly user. OS X has a proper UNIX-type security model.


Which programs do you refer to? I'm just curious since I run OS X 10.4, and when I'm running as root through terminal I can do anything I want >_>;; haven't hit a road block yet. (Despite all the myths that you can't do anything on a Mac)
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Old 2008-09-29, 20:03
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Which programs do you refer to? I'm just curious since I run OS X 10.4, and when I'm running as root through terminal I can do anything I want >_>;; haven't hit a road block yet. (Despite all the myths that you can't do anything on a Mac)

If you're root, you aren't a lowly user.
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Old 2008-09-29, 22:04
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kenshin_kid, joined: 02/27/06
Default Re: Mac Viruses?

If you're root, you aren't a lowly user.

This is what I thought you meant, I'm just not sure if you were being condescending of Mac users in general lol.
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Old 2008-09-29, 22:21
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This is what I thought you meant, I'm just not sure if you were being condescending of Mac users in general lol.

Well, Mac users are guilty of the same fault that windows users are: using a non-free operating system. Apple can still sell you down the river just as easily as Microsoft can; so you shouldn't use their OS.

But yeah, whereas on Windows you're root by default (up until Vista where you're root by default and have to confirm everything you do), so an exploited browser means an exploited system. On OS X or another UNIX-type system, and exploited browser means an exploited user account, which means nothing in terms of the system itself.
 
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