After replying to some opiate/heroin related threads I've become curious about a past experience of mine with heroin during the time period I was addicted to OxyContin.

So one day my main dealer and secondary dealer couldn't get any oxy. My main dealer reassured me he'd have some later that night, so I went ahead and did the remaining piece of my last OC 80. Anyways my dealer ended up being unable to come through as his connect wasn't answering his phone (my secondary dealer couldn't find any either). So I made it through the rest of the day/night by taking 4 mg's of xanax.

About the skag -
The H didn't have any little rocks in it which I guess some people get in there bags? When I dumped it out to make a line, it had the texture/look of a line of oxy, not like the fluffy confectioners sugar look that coke has, and was brown. I can remember vaguely what the drip tasted like but can't equate it to anything, although it wasn't as delicious as oxy drip. It didn't burn my nose particularly bad, at least not more then an equivalent size line of oxy. And just to reiterate, my opiate tolerance was to the point where 240 mg's of oxycodone snorted would produce a slightly warm tingling feeling for less then 10 minutes, and it was very weak at that, it was probably the smallest weakest shortest high you can possibly feel from oxycodone and it vanished in less then 10 minutes, after which I was left with the satisfied feeling of having gotten my fix, and my tolerance had been this high for about a month, the two months I was using before that my tolerance was rising daily until I hit the 240 mg point, and that was around the same week I did the heroin. When I did do the heroin, it was approx. 15-18 hours after my next most recent dose of opiates (20 mg's oxycodone).

***Factors and Tolerance***
- Had been using 80 milligram Time Release OxyContin for 5 months.
- The first months I was using around 20-40 milligrams one or two times a day 8-10 times a month spread out (not like a 10 binge once a month.
- The second month I was using around 20-40 milligrams one or two times a day every other day on average, sometimes 2 days in a row on weekends.
- The next three months I started using 20-40 milligrams everyday, skipped only a couple days right near the beginning of the next three months when I tried to stop before it got to out of hand, but after two days went right back to using everyday and did not miss a day for around 3 months.
- Started using 1-2 times a day around 30-50 milligrams during one of the times (to get an actual high) and 10-20 milligrams (to hold off my impatience, it also gave me a light buzz but only did this for a week or so before 10-20 milligrams no longer did anything but stopped the craving for a bit.
- Eventually progressed to 3-5 times a day at doses anywhere from 10 milligrams (for a fix, during the middle of school, before I went to get more, right before homework, etc.) all the way to 60 milligrams (sometimes I would still try to get high because I realized my tolerance was rising so quickly I wouldn't be able to get the actual high for much longer.)
- And finally it got to the point where I was doing it 5+ times a day. My doses kind of started to follow a pattern at this point which I will explain below.

*I would use 5+ times a day at doses from 10-20 milligrams for quick fixes, and 50-60 milligrams when I would want to do enough to at least get a good mood lift (at this time it probably would have taken me 120 milligrams to feel like 20 milligrams to a person with no tolerance my same size and weight.
*I would still use 5+ times a day, but the doses ranged from 10 milligrams to 60 milligrams. Each time it was a fix, the only high I would get from here on out was a nice mood lift and occasionally a slight warmish feel if it was the first dose of the day and if I did 50+ milligrams.
*I would keep using 5+ times a day but the doses now ranged from 10 milligrams to 30 milligrams. Occasionally, sometimes once a week, I would do a dose in excess of 50 milligrams, but that's the most I would do. At this point it seemed worthless to me to blow 50 milligrams when I could blow 15-20 milligrams and still get my fix and a mood lift that was almost the same.
*Still using 5+ times a day, doses were still from 10 to 30 milligrams, also during this time (the 5th and last month) I did 240 milligrams, snorted, at night. It hit me that I should have done it in the morning as I might have gotten high and it would have been fun to go to school, even just because the knowledge that I just snorted 3 OC 80's made me feel good. Plus there would have been a 8-9 hour period for my tolerance to slightly drop. That same day I had already done around 50 milligrams, 20 in the morning, 5 during the school day, another 5 near the end of the school day, 15 milligrams about an hour after school, and then 5 milligrams right before dinner. 3 Hours later is when I did the 240 milligrams. During this same week I did the heroin.
*The heroin was done after being unable to find OxyContin. The most recent time I had done OxyContin was approximately 15-18 hours before I did the heroin. But my use had continued just as much and as frequently right up until that point. Immediately after the heroin my dealer found some OxyContin and I went right back to using it 5+ times a day
*When I did the H, I started with a small line the size of a 5 milligram line of OC and gave a line this size to the girl as well, that did nothing so I did another line that size about 3 minutes after, still nothing, did a line twice the size, still nothing, did the rest of the bag, still nothing. The only thing I noticed was that my withdrawal symptoms seemed to have went away, however it could have been placebo. The bag was a 50$ bag which, after reading prices, should have been around half a gram. The bag's actual volume of powder was equivalent to the volume of 1/4th a gram of coke if that helps you visualize it.

So yeah HUGEEEE story, its probably boring, I don't care I had nothing else better to do while I was waiting for the suboxone to kick in. I am really very curious about this, I have wondered about it since the day I did it if it was real or fake. So given my opiate tolerance, my most recent dose prior to doing the heroin, the actual way I did the heroin, and the facts provided about my dealer and his friend, and my dealer's girlfriend, could that much heroin really not affect me because of my tolerance? I assumed the feeling would be diminished, but that heroin was so strong I would feel the initial rush to some degree before it faded away. Anyways, possible answers to this scenario would be greatly appreciated as it would mean I didn't write this to no avail. Sorry for the enormous length, I expect plenty of flames, people saying "we didn't need all that info to answer your questions", maybe some too long/didn't reads and even a couple epic fails.

I just wanna see if I can find enough evidence to support either A. The heroin was fake, or B. (My preferred conclusion) My tolerance was so high that a 50$ bag of heroin, (the most I did in one sitting was 1/4th of the bag, maybe a little more) would not produce a high at all or even produce the rush of euphoria that heroin is famous for.

I am not reading all that shit right now, but did your dope taste like vinegar? Heroin will always have that smell/taste due to the two acetyl groups. I will come back to it now, but my sleep drugs are kicking in, and the wine, so I would fall asleep before i finished all that.

Well thank you for at least committing yourself to helping me answer it tomorrow when your awake and alert. If I new how to add smileys and stuff to my posts and not just title, then I'd give you a thumbs up and an uber smiley face.

I don't remember how the drip tasted that much. It was definitely different from oxy or any other drip I've tasted (oxy,coke,amps,xanax). The closest I can go to describing it is a cross between OC drip an XR Adderall drip. The taste was kinda of chemical like, I remember thinking it tasted like some ingredient you might use in food but would never eat by itself, kinda like vinegar.

Anyways I'll wait and see your opinion afterward. The post is really much longer then its needed to be, I just started typing and when I decided to stop, I looked up and that was what I had created. Basically I wanna know if it's possible to have a opiate tolerance STRICTLY from railing OxyCodone. I then go on to give an idea of the level of tolerance I had built up and ask if that level of tolerance is enough to stop heroin from even producing a rush. Assume the heroin is mid grade level, nothing special, but not dirt cheap shit.

I read the first half and the bottom half...I couldn't get the point of what you were trying to say; could you give a tl;dr? I didn't read the part where you thought the heroin was bunk, but if you were consuming 240 mg of oxy and feeling a tiny buzz for 10 minutes............well, you may very well have not done enough @_@.

Me consuming 240 mg's of oxy and only feeling a tiny buzz is an example of my tolerance. Its really not even a buzz, just the most minute feeling an opiate can give you. I'm talking about the threshold between feeling the drug and not feeling the drug, and me doing 240 mg's would be taking only one step over the line. And I don't know if the heroin was average, shitfuck impure, or all together fake.

Anyways so yeah, thats my tolerance and last time I had done any oxycodone before doing heroin, and I did the whole bag in the course of 30 minutes, minus a small pinner line for the girl.

To make sure I was being safe, I did a small pinner line first, waited two minutes, nothing, did another, 2 minutes went by, nothing. So I decided to do a bigger amount cause I didn't wanna keep doing small ones till I felt the opiate high but missed the rush everyone talks about. So after those 2 pinners and feeling nothing, I did a line the size of 3 of the pinners. Still nothing, although it seemed like my WD's were going away but I don't know if that was placebo. So yeah, thats kinda the summary of the thread minus all the other smaller details, you may need the other details to come to a conclusion with some validity.

Dude...lol. You did one bag with a tolerance of 240+ mg of oxy, and you think you got ripped off because you didn't feel anything!?! I only do heroin about once a week, and what you would consider 'a bag' of dope (I get pretty damn pure no.4 h), I can put it right in my veins and only be mildly buzzing. You would just need to do more, at once and not snort it to feel anything with that kind of tolerance.

Basically I wanna know if it's possible to have a opiate tolerance STRICTLY from railing OxyCodone.

Of course it is.

You barely got high off of 240mg of oxy and wonder why you didnt get high off .5g of heroin? Really? Really?

Of course it is.

You barely got high off of 240mg of oxy and wonder why you didnt get high off .5g of heroin? Really? Really?

A bag is very very rarely a half g of dope. He said it was equal to the size of 5 mg of oxy, it doesn't mean it is a half g. It was probably .1g of dope.

A bag is very very rarely a half g of dope. He said it was equal to the size of 5 mg of oxy, it doesn't mean it is a half g. It was probably .1g of dope.

*When I did the H, I started with a small line the size of a 5 milligram line of OC and gave a line this size to the girl as well, that did nothing so I did another line that size about 3 minutes after, still nothing, did a line twice the size, still nothing, did the rest of the bag, still nothing. The only thing I noticed was that my withdrawal symptoms seemed to have went away, however it could have been placebo. The bag was a 50$ bag which, after reading prices, should have been around half a gram. The bag's actual volume of powder was equivalent to the volume of 1/4th a gram of coke if that helps you visualize it.

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^^I said I didn't read it all. All I saw was 'a bag'. Anyways, I donno...I know junkies that could get fucked up pretty hard on a half of a gram, if they were to do it to their head like that. It was either some junk dope or I donno, that's a high tolerance but you should have for sure gotten something off of a half g of dope it it were anything even remotely decent.

Ahh, a lot of responses. That's all I wanted to know, this happened over a year and a half ago lol... I had no experience with heroin and I still don't, so that's why I didn't know. I thought, ya know, maybe since its heroin and its different, got that damn diacetyl molecule and what not, that I would feel the initial rush before the half life or whatever of the diacetyl molecule was up.

It had just been bugging the hell outta me not knowing if it was bunk (fake or w/e), or if my tolerance being so high would make even the effects from heroin non existent at that dosage.

Thanks for all the replies. And its not that I thought I got ripped off, just that I didn't know if I did. I was just as much considering that it could of been from my enormous tolerance as it could have been from a bag of fake H.

Anyways, I went to a local detox center. It's local in regards to where I live but its highly "top of the line" or whatever. Theres about 5 people who work there, ones a secretary that answers phones sets up meetings for patients and gives advice on what path the patient or patients family member should pursue. I had a schedule of going there every Tuesday with my dad, and every Friday with my mom, early in the morning round' 10ish (that's early for me).

Anyways first they gave me a script for subutex, 2 mg pills, but I was instructed to take 2 of them sublingually (it's weird how my firefox says sublingually is spelled wrong) in the morning and at night, a total of 8 mg's a day. Then they consult with your parents (after questioning you about your daily use, how long ago you started abusing, about how long ago you think you became addicted, how long ago did u form a habit, and when, if you tried, to quit did you find it to hard and realize you were addicted? Then they talk with some doctors in some state on the other side of the country. A lab produces the buprenorphine (subutex) into small gummy squares in the flavor of your choosing (I chose orange). They don't tell you what dose you are on except for when you are actually taking pills. They do tell you what dosage your starting at when they first put you on the gummies, but after that its all guesswork. So I got down to the point were I was scheduled to be taken off the subutex in about a week, and I was to be given a time release naltrexone shot that lasts for 22 days. Little did I know, I had actually been on sublingual naltrexone for a week, woulda been a pretty impressive placebo except during the beginning of that week I started feeling unhappy, bored of everything, and the feeling of being stuck in your own skin (weird I know)... So I bought an oxy, and relapsed. I then got re-addicted to oxy for about 2 months until my dealer quit selling em' cause no one called him a lot for em so he wasn't making much money, I owed him like 300 from when I first got caught and couldn't get any money, so I started paying like 1$ per 1mg to pay him back. I would pay 80$ instead of 65$ The last day I saw him, he had assured me he'd have 2 and give me them for 100$ and a psp with some games that I didn't use anymore, all this would bring the debt down to 50$ but instead he robbed me, I saw it coming too but I knew I was going to be sent away so I didn't really care to much.

A bag is very very rarely a half g of dope. He said it was equal to the size of 5 mg of oxy, it doesn't mean it is a half g. It was probably .1g of dope.

I meant the first two lines I did were that size. The total bag volume-wise looked like it had as much heroin as 3/4ths gram of coke.