I kind of have a vague definition of what intelligence is, I think the more intelligent someone is the more separate parts of their brain run separately and run together, as in there is not one single source of intelligence but the overall functioning of separate parts is what determines ones analytical and information processing/retention capabilities. The problem is though, I heard it's impossible for someone to change their I.Q. and I'm guessing that includes these means but that's why I'm asking you, totse. I don't get why things like stimulants aren't factored into I.Q. because it certainly feels like I can think better when I've had coffee.

Anyways, since the brain is made up of chemicals is it possible to alter the functioning of it via chemicals for the better?

(I know this shows my completely vague understanding of the brain, intelligence, and chemicals but that's why I'm asking this, :) basically how does I become smerter)

You're not going to get any smarter by taking drugs. It all happens before the age of 5.

nootropics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

nootropics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

Anybody actually try this? It'd be dope if it worked well

You shouldn't listen to people who say it's impossible to improve your IQ, they probably didn't go to school..

Stimulants might give the impression you're smarter because your brain is processing the information faster, since your brain can process so fast it may aswell take more information in... now because you're taking in more information your less likely to miss something important and hence less likely to cock it all up and look the fool.

Anybody actually try this? It'd be dope if it worked well
Supposedly Piracetam has been quite well received in Europe. Its cheap too, I'm looking into getting some and its $15 for 30-60 doses.

Do it, when you are actually learning stuff and you will learn it.

Personally, i have been doing hydergine and Piracetam(4.5/2000 mg/day now respectivly) for more then a year now. I have also dabbled in quite a few other herbs, and nutrients.

I bought 1 kg. of the stuff, there is a little scoop that lets you measure out about 500 mg. I'd usually take three scoops before school. I noticed that it really made my veins protrude if I sat down with my arm hanging down, similar story with my wiener.

Ahem, anyway,
It did make math somewhat easier, in a similar way that dexedrine would. My writing was much neater too. It was easier to pay attention to my surroundings, and felt more 'awake'. Visual clarity and better colour perception was usually apparent. This was all subtle but easily noticeable. Effects on memory were not really noticeable.

Although alongside this, I would say that Ginko Balboa was cool to try. It was a bit of a vasodialator but not as intense as the Piracetam. The positive effects on my memory were better than anything with this stuff too.

.........And LSD is supposedly able to bring a new user up 10-15% IQ-wise. Worked on me.

Visual clarity and better colour perception was usually apparent.

I noticed the opposite, a yellowing and dulling of color in fact. It seems permanent, it feels as if the world around me is less intense..... the colors less vibrant...

But what the heck, try it! You dont really have much to lose.

Other then nootropics there are certain amino acids, fatty esters and organic compounds that boost memory retention and recall, and help help to really lubricate those synapses... Everyone seems to be putting fish oil in everything these days, which is probably a good thing because DPA and EPA are really fucking good for your brain.

I noticed the opposite, a yellowing and dulling of color in fact. It seems permanent, it feels as if the world around me is less intense..... the colors less vibrant...

All that nicotine from your smoking days has deposited in your eyeballs :p

All that nicotine from your smoking days has deposited in your eyeballs :p
How do you know about my smoking days?

Perhaps there is truth to your madness, as it has been a bit less then half a year.

But surely my AcH levels have normalized, by now.
Granted I eat hard boiled eggs, and fish quite frequently now a days.

Edit: No!

This is what I thought.

nootropics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

Cool. I'll check it out.

Other then nootropics there are certain amino acids, fatty esters and organic compounds that boost memory retention and recall, and help help to really lubricate those synapses... Everyone seems to be putting fish oil in everything these days, which is probably a good thing because DPA and EPA are really fucking good for your brain.

Interesting... I kind of thought there'd be more to it then general "cognition enhancers". I kind of assumed if I knew my brain chemistry makeup I'd be able to pick out what not functioning as well as the rest of it and "bring it up to speed" via chemicals, but meh these all seem like good ideas.

I think the probability of you being wrong, on your speculation of what intelligence is really defined by, is quite high. I know what you mean about the coffee though.

yes yes yes and no.

Seems to be anything that increases serotonin, dopamine, and choline improves cognition.

http://www.bombshock.com/archives/drugs/cognitionenhancement_drugs.html
http://www.bombshock.com/archives/drugs/dmae.html
http://www.bombshock.com/archives/drugs/amino_acids_and_their_effects.html

just because you give an idiot a fucking loaded dick doesn't mean he'll solve quantum physics or learn calculus in a night...



max. capacity, works with intelligence, just like say, weight in a car?

Course not, learning anything is a process. But what's to say that some people are not as bright as they could be, because their body doesn't produce normal levels of these compounds naturally due to a poor diet?

EH, kind of as I thought...

http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/rev1091116.pdf
http://www.apa.org/releases/iqdebate.html

max. capacity, works with intelligence, just like say, weight in a car?

Nope.

We've got an infinite capacity to learn, just limited means..

Nope.

We've got an infinite capacity to learn, just limited means..

Now please, tell me.
How do you know about my smoking days?

Has anyone tried taking an IQ test on a small dose of amps?

Now please, tell me.
How do you know about my smoking days?

If you didn't post about it on your current account, you did on an old one.

Why i remember this? I dunno

If you didn't post about it on your current account, you did on an old one.

Why i remember this? I dunno

You know my older account?

You know my older account?

What was your old account?

Lets not disclose our previous accounts, others listen....
I am surprised Silverballs, of all people, made the connection though.

You know my older account?



I dun't no ne uva's i sware..

Thank you

Enjoy the static spiral.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/static/dowbrigade/opart.jpg

I dun't no ne uva's i sware..

What are you saying.

Grapes?

I'm unsure of Resveratol, but Curcumin seems to have an effect on older brains, says science. IDK if it works for everyone or if the extract capsules at the health food store are as good as eating curry?

What I take: Resveratol/Curc/Rhodiola, eat the Omega-3 fishies too.

I am surprised Silverballs, of all people, made the connection though.

I don't think anyone cared :)

.........And LSD is supposedly able to bring a new user up 10-15% IQ-wise. Worked on me.

lol wut

the mistake you all constistently make is trying to define intelligence. Everything can change your intelligence, from how well slept you are to how well you eat to how much exercise you did this week.

Yes its possible to increase intelligence through chemistry, what do you think differing intelligence is SOLELY dependant on if its not your brains chmistry?

Good point sir!


Individuals differ from one another in their ability to understand complex ideas, to adapt effectively to the environment, to learn from experience, to engage in various forms of reasoning, to overcome obstacles by taking thought. Although these individual differences can be substantial, they are never entirely consistent: a given person’s intellectual performance will vary on different occasions, in different domains, as judged by different criteria. Concepts of "intelligence" are attempts to clarify and organize this complex set of phenomena. Although considerable clarity has been achieved in some areas, no such conceptualization has yet answered all the important questions and no such conceptualization has yet answered all the important questions and none commands universal assent. Indeed, when two dozen prominent theorists were recently asked to define intelligence, they gave two dozen somewhat different definitions...


I guess I'm focusing on a couple of characteristics that I'd like to increase. These being: reasoning, understanding of complex things, linking ideas, and general organization of information so that if I read a lot I will be able to remember a lot of it and integrate the ideas.

I still can't exactly define it though, if anyone has read Aldous Huxley, he's smart as fuck. I was trying to read his Perennial Philosophy, but I couldn't understand it, it was so many different ideas, different concepts, and many other things that it simply flew over my head no matter how much effort I gave. It seems just that all the smart people that I meet or read about all have created their worlds out of their thoughts seemingly from the ground up and live their thoughts and seem so different from the mainstream individual, just the sense of independence that seems to come out of this and direction I think is really cool, instead of borrowing each others or smart peoples thoughts. This is also not to mention the number of options and things smrt ppl do/can do.

Oh well, enough rant I appreciate the good ideas in this thread.

It is i believe, if you think about it, ask yourself this is our brain working at full capacity most of the time? Whats the specs, we only use 10% of our brain function? or some number like that? Understandable our brain may be used to help us to function and maintain our being and to stay alive. Therefore a portion of it may be quote "reserved" for those purposes and we cannot exactly control those functions.

I have tried a shit loads of nootropics.

But before i took anything into my body i researched, and studied the neuro-chemical aspects of myself and the chemical....Spending hundreds of hours on Pub-med and Wikipedia....

After all the years of nootropics.... guess what?
My knowledge has expanded.......:)


Your brain has the ability to morph, and learn, and change chemistry and structure..... Isn't that amazing enough?

I don't think anyone cared :)

I have made significant progress, ever since i wondered into BLTC, as a keefing idiot 5+ years ago.. I am glad to share what i know, but i expect at least a decent level of articulation/though put into the question....

Im also glad to learn.

I have been trying to learn organic chemistry, but all i get is theory....it looks like thousands of pages more until i can even begin to learn what pertains to my interests...
To questions that wikipedia doesn't have an answer....

It is i believe, if you think about it, ask yourself this is our brain working at full capacity most of the time? Whats the specs, we only use 10% of our brain function? or some number like that? .

Myth, http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

.........And LSD is supposedly able to bring a new user up 10-15% IQ-wise. Worked on me.

Where did you hear that?

Myth, http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

beat me to that :)

The brain is the organ we know least about! I studied the brain in my biology course all we learnt was the nerves it is made up of, the names of the different sections and what they do. Coupled with the causes of diseases and effects of things like Alshiemers (dont know how to spell it still lol).

beat me to that :)

The brain is the organ we know least about! I studied the brain in my biology course all we learnt was the nerves it is made up of, the names of the different sections and what they do. Coupled with the causes of diseases and effects of things like Alshiemers (dont know how to spell it still lol).

yeh lol so random i bet u lernd how two suck cock too lol cock has veins and it gets hard xD! ;D;D

Myth, http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

Thanks for putting that record straight, it always sounded like such a full of shit claim.

we only use 10% of our brain function

10% of our brain function at one point in time

Did you notice any side effects?

Did you notice any side effects?

A superiority complex.

A superiority complex.
POssibly largly placebo?

POssibly largly placebo?

It's a joke dangleberry.

Though alot of supplement taking nerds, start thinking they're special...

I was implying that the hours on pub-med/wikipedia have been the most noticeable improvements from my nootroopic use.
-.-

Nothing personal man, i know a lad who started taking nootropics and subsequently turned into a useless fuckwit who doesn't leave the house.

You kinda remind me of him the way you talk.