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Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference.

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Old 2008-09-23, 01:14
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Bmore N'guh
Default Methadone

Can someone give me a comparison between methadone and oxycodone, I commonly use this to calculate doses http://www.globalrph.com/narcoticonv.htm but it claims that 20mg of Methadone is the equivalent of 20 mgs of oxycodone. I will post the amount in each pill and the price in a sec so u guys can make sure im gettin a good deal ;).
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Old 2008-09-23, 01:27
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Default Re: Methadone

i suggest you not posting a price thread, consider this your warning. however equivalency is open to debate.
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Old 2008-09-23, 02:00
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Bmore N'guh
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Since when was that against the rules? Ehh whatever.. thats not what im interested in, a comparison would be most lovely, any help vilbe? Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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Old 2008-09-23, 02:09
CaffeineJunkie CaffeineJunkie is offline
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Default Re: Methadone

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Originally Posted by hallucinogenic Substance
Since when was that against the rules? Ehh whatever.. thats not what im interested in, a comparison would be most lovely, any help vilbe? Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)


do you mean a comparison of effects?
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Old 2008-09-23, 02:15
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methadone isn't my specialty, someone who's on it long term will be a better response, but i'll throw in my $0.02...

that could very well be right. i do remember that somewhere along the lines too [i think its 40mgs] is where the blockade of other opiates happens...

methadone, ya know for those that buy their take homes is dirt cheap, even without insurance [compared to some of the others out their, even bupe comes out to a $8 a pill or so].


whats your goal with them? are you dependent? or just looking to get high? if either, whats your opiate history..
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Old 2008-09-23, 02:18
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Bmore N'guh
Default Re: Methadone

do you mean a comparison of effects?

Not quite, thats what i use erowid for, but i would like to know what dose i should take, im new to methadone but not to opiates, I have a high tolerance, i commonly take 35-45 mgs of oxycodone to achieve a nice nod, but methadone is a synthetic, correct? Does the tolerance translate directly?


Oh and Vilbe would i be allowed to do as is stated in the BLTC topic description and ask for current street prices? I did not intend to break any rules :) I just dont want to look like an idiot saying SWIM.

Also: I potentially have access to 5mg pills.
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Old 2008-09-23, 03:14
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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Default Re: Methadone

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Originally Posted by vilbe
methadone isn't my specialty, someone who's on it long term will be a better response, but i'll throw in my $0.02...

that could very well be right. i do remember that somewhere along the lines too [i think its 40mgs] is where the blockade of other opiates happens...

methadone, ya know for those that buy their take homes is dirt cheap, even without insurance [compared to some of the others out their, even bupe comes out to a $8 a pill or so].


whats your goal with them? are you dependent? or just looking to get high? if either, whats your opiate history..


In my opinion methadone was about equiv but just lasted longer and had the benefit of building in my system. Which is good for someone trying to sustain a habit. an acute dose they are probably equal but if your are on mdone longer than a month on constant and timed doses it starts to build up.

Mdone WAS easier for me to come off of than h or morphine but the withdrawal were more long and drawn out. it took 5 days to feel w/d and then Im at over 3 weeks since taking my last dose and i plan to stay away. i have used upe but after taking methadone it would have taken way more bupe to sustain then taper than before so i went cold turkey.
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Old 2008-09-23, 03:21
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Bmore N'guh
Default Re: Methadone

In my opinion methadone was about equiv but just lasted longer and had the benefit of building in my system. Which is good for someone trying to sustain a habit. an acute dose they are probably equal but if your are on mdone longer than a month on constant and timed doses it starts to build up.

Mdone WAS easier for me to come off of than h or morphine but the withdrawal were more long and drawn out. it took 5 days to feel w/d and then Im at over 3 weeks since taking my last dose and i plan to stay away. i have used upe but after taking methadone it would have taken way more bupe to sustain then taper than before so i went cold turkey.

Wow, that's interesting, your telling me that the more you do a constant dose of the drug each time the concentration of the drug in your system builds up meaning that you can lower your dose instead of raise it? Or would this growing concentrations be equal with tolerance making it so you take the same dose of the drug to achieve the same effects each time?
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Old 2008-09-23, 04:18
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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Default Re: Methadone

Wow, that's interesting, your telling me that the more you do a constant dose of the drug each time the concentration of the drug in your system builds up meaning that you can lower your dose instead of raise it? Or would this growing concentrations be equal with tolerance making it so you take the same dose of the drug to achieve the same effects each time?
well they say that the methadone high wears off after about 2 weeks of daily use but I never noticed this. i got high every time i took my mdone. i would always wait 24 hours to dose. i never went to a clinic my use was illicit. i topped out at 50 mgs per day max but not everyday and like i said after only 2 MONTHS of use tops it took 5 days to actually feel real w/d. My theory is the longer you stay on mdone the more down regulation of opioid receptors and the worse the withdrawal will be. Because i only got half the symptoms I got from w/d from h. but the symptoms i did have lasted longer.

bupe is a wonderful drug. i chose the hard way. many cant handle it. i have taperd off of buprenorphine and did good for quite a few weeks without it but i fucked up and used again. this time i wont fuck up though. ive learned the price of daily opiate/oid use if you have been dependant/addicted before.

i am warning you mdone is serious shit be careful with that. i used it in combination with oxy in doses of 20-30mg mdone and 20-30 mg of oxy and got super high and worried about oding but i wouldnt get meiosis(pinpoint pupils). So for me it gave me extra euphoria in combination but i had a weird response to it. probably some kind of receptor stie competition(binding affinity).



it effects everyone differently so be ver cautious because mdone is powerful.
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Old 2008-09-23, 04:22
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Bmore N'guh
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ive learned the price of daily opiate/oid use if you have been dependant/addicted before.

I wish i could say the same.. Hopefully I run out of money or sources before i really develop a problem. Thanks for your help bro.
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Old 2008-09-23, 04:36
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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I wish i could say the same.. Hopefully I run out of money or sources before i really develop a problem. Thanks for your help bro.

let me know if you need help coming off that shit i have learned the ins,outs and all abouts of opiate use and withdrawal from personal experience.
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Old 2008-09-23, 07:25
Aces N 8S Aces N 8S is offline
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Default Re: Methadone

They may be equivalent as far as analgesia goes but (for me atleast) methadone is far more euphoric. Its also much more sedating so my dose for done is about half my oxy dose.
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Old 2008-09-23, 21:19
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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They may be equivalent as far as analgesia goes but (for me atleast) methadone is far more euphoric. Its also much more sedating so my dose for done is about half my oxy dose.


i have seen that mdone is ~1.5x stonger than oxy. It lasts longer to. it shoots your tolerance up for all opis.
 
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