Well, im not too sure if this is even possible but I thought i'd ask anyway.

I've got two hits of X that im 100% sure contain heroin.

Is there anyway to extract the heroin from the tablet?

why dont you rewrite that sentence. are you 100% sure they contain heroin? or do they contain 100% heroin? the question yields a different answer depending on your typo.

skag pills!

friend of mine had a batch. Do they have brown flecks in them?

No way to conveniently seperate them in such small amounts. Just drop the bean buit beware they might give you a slightly upset stomach for a while.

I seriously doubt your E pills have heroin in them. Do some fucking research, damn.

But anyways, I suggest you either:
1)Just pop the fucking pills, that is what they're for.
2)Go buy some real heroin.

Your pills don't have heroin in them.

bla bla bla, real life knowledge pwns armchair drug nerds.

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Why would a dealer put smack in his pills? What advantage would that have in making a profit cause smack is more expensive than MDMA and has nowhere near the same effects.

I seriously doubt you are 100% certain you have smack in them, have you tested them or dropped any yet? Because otherwise you don't know and word of mouth is NOT a reliable source of information unless you saw them test them themselves.

Please just tell me your a fucking troll and not some fucking retard who doesnt know his ass from his elbow.

Heroin is, compared to most and all drugs, expensive. Grams can run anywhere from $75-300, depending on purity and location(Unless your in the UK where heroin is relativley cheap, but ya get what you pay for). Pure MDMA by the gram didnt even cost me $50 when I was getting the shit in bulk. Also, if your going to cut a ecstasy with something, it should be an UPPER, not a strong downer(caffeine, ephedrine, meth, etc..). The only similarities between the two is the 'warmness' you get with low doses. Any and all similarties end there. And even if you were going to cut an e pill with a downer, its sure as hell wouldnt be heroin.

As TheHappyChemical said, Shut the fuck up

Yeah, you're right i'm in the USA where you get 5 pills for a tenner (you fucking cretin). and you DONT PUT A GRAM IN A PILL DO YOU, YOU TIT. just because LSD costs in the thousands per gram does not mean its not an economically viable drug because you dont do a gram at a a time.

Someone with no tolerance doing a low dose of heroin mixed with mdma could EASILY mistake it for a stronger MDMA high. Thats the whole fucking point. I used to sell beans. I've uised pure MDMA. Ive used pure opiates. Ive taken beans which had both. You need to realise that just because erowid tells you it shouldnt happen doesn't mean it doesnt. This is the UK, where people put SAND and SILICATES in bud. You'd be amazed at some of the weird shit we get here.

And cutting MDMA with speed? Please. Round here thats a good way to get punched in the mouth. Noone likes amps in pills and its a VERY recognisable and noticeable difference. Which is not true for a low dose of heroin mixed with MDMA.


edit for source: http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.p...ield=Substance

Fentanyl isn't heroin.

Heroin is basically worthless orally which is the main reason why putting it in pills is stupid unless it's a huge dose which would be too expensive. The usual contents of pills is mdma and/or methampetamine which are both synthetic and likely synth'd by the person pressing the pills while heroin is semi-synthetic and most definitely isn't being produced by the same people pressing pills. So they would have to buy the heroin, which is hell of a lot more expensive than the mdma/meth that they made. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it is incredibly rare. Just because your pills have brown specks doesn't mean there's heroin in them.

Your proof that heroin is in pills is a link that shows 3 pills with fent in it? And you say that no one puts amps in pills even though the same website shows 189 entries with meth/amphetamines.

http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.p...ield=Substance

If anyone ever said they have had smack in pills I will never ever believe them unless they have actually tested it using a reagent.

How did you know there was smack in them? Use a test kit or did you just drop them and assume they contained opes because they didn't have speed in them for once and didn't get spun? Maybe they were just cleaner pills than usual and you asociated the lack of speedyness with opiates.

Cutting pills with speed is common as fuck, I dont seem to see many dealers getting punched in the face for selling like the 80% of pills going round which are fake let alone speedy ones.

Please feel free to go through all these reports: http://www.pillreports.com/

Find me one where they have actually proven it contains smack and have tested it with a reagent...

Your full of shit.

Heroin is effective orally you dumb fuck, opiates have been taken orally for 1000's of years. You know nothing about drugs you prick.


Smack is put in pills sometimes. Full stop. Its true, get over it you pretentious fucking retards.


http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.p...ield=Substance

suck my balls

1 match for heroin on that link. ONE. hahaha you FAIL.

1 result of a pill with heroin in it, from NY nonetheless, doesn't mean shit. look at the majority of any pill data site, meth is (im assuming) probably the most commonly used cut.

heroin or any kind of an opiate in an e pill would be boring anyway, when i take ecstasy i wanna move and have a great time. not sittin down nodding in & out of consciousness...

i had some orange buddahs not too long ago. people were sayin they were "heroin based" because they put you on your ass. bomb pills actually, there was no heroin, i suspect mda because i was hallucinating & "seeing" feelings better than I was feeling them. if that makes any sense...

In the UK, MDMA will run you £40 a gram (£30 if you're really lucky), or anywhere from £300 (if you're really, really lucky) to £700 (if you're not) for an ounce, which is probably what you'd be buying if you're pressing pills. H is pretty cheap in some areas, and I can see someone making pills throwing a noticeable amount in for a warmer, slightly more mellow roll, some people like that. I've never come across pills containing H (or pills claimed to contain H), but it's not beyond the realms of possibility and if one person out of the thousands of BI posters says he has H in his pills then it's not totally unbelievable.

Spliffing, I don't know where you live that pills containing speed or something similar will provoke that kind of reaction, but I've come across plenty and around London it's pretty much a given there'll be some amps in pills unless you're getting something well-known.

...like people thinking they're getting "1337 w1kk3d h1gh" off tiny doses of a pill allegedly containing a substance which isn't signifigantly orally active.

Now, if the original poster had suggested that someone laced their pills with, oh, methadone... or oxycodone... or, hell, even codeine... and I didn't immediately think of them as an idiot, I might have believed it. Hell, I think your own link mentions fentanyl.

But... the poster didn't name one of the opiates with a high - or even medium - oral bioavaliability. They named one which has literally 0% bioavaliability - though, to be fair, a small amount gets turned into morphine and absorbed that way, leading to something like <5% indirect bioavaliability as something, even if not itself. So, the world is calling bullshit. A T3 as binder would have been more plausible.

Speaking of which...

Please detail the history of acetic anhydride in mesopotamia.

Shit that occurs in poppies has ranges of bioavaliability. A few synthetics do, too.

The semisynthetic known as heroin has literally 0% oral bioavaliability. Partly because its oral bioavaliability is nihl, and partly because gastric conditions are enough to deacetylate it - which is responsible for what little activity huge doses have, as morphine, rather than heroin.

...but acetic anhydride has not been around for thousands of years, and heroin has no detectable oral bioavaliability at all.

On a similar note, I think an oxy/mdma pill would be pretty good

Drug logic 101: Heroin implies opiate, opiate does not imply heroin.

See Joe Pedo's post.

While occasionally someone might through a small amount of heroin into a pill either as a binder or because they think it might help the high(if they don't know what they are doing) it is very rare. Trust me, I know ecstasy like the back of my hand and they simply do not contain heroin 99% of the time and there is no such thing as a "heroin-based" pill. Other opiates that do have oral bioavialibility like say oxycodone I could believe as being an occasional cut, though it is still by no means common.

Note: I just did a quick search on ecstasydata.org for oxycodone and hydrocodone and found no results so it looks like those are out as cuts too for the most part. Probably because if people have those they will sell them as what they are instead of making "ecstasy" out of it. Codeine did return like 4 results.

Show me in my fucking post where I said to put a gram of pure ecstasy in a fucking pill. I want to see this you stupid fuck, shut your fucking mouth because you obvisouly have no idea what you are fucking talking about.

You got fucking owned by everybody in this thread twice over. Even your own source says fentanyl, which is not the same as heroin you douchebag, not even close. And then Joe came in and owned callumpimp for trying to act all intelligent and shit. Dumbass

You dont sell ecstasy, you never have, and you never will. Wake the fuck up

And cutting ecstasy with speed will get you punched in the mouth? Amps are so much more similiar in chemical structure and effects to MDMA then heroin could ever wish to be. Im not going to even get started with this one, your ignorance speaks for itself

The most amazing thing about this myth is the shear number of people who believe it. I know so many people who say things like those pills are heroin based when in fact they should be saying those pills are shitty and isntead of MDMA they contain MDA, a more mild and warmer form of MDMA. I'm so tired and fed up with these people that I don't even try to correct them anymore.

Ok first off -- wtf does ___ based mean?? I mean if supposedly there are three types of x pills: coke based, meth based, and heroin based. And each type is synthesised using one as the base ingredient...?! WTF. This is just the worst type of drug myth there is.

I think when it comes to E you encounter the most stupid fucking people in the entire drug world. They believe anything they are fucking told and will just drop pills without thinking or realising what is in them. So many people iv seen drop pills that have fuck all in them and said they had an amazing time or "this pill is a tripple stacked xxx based pill blah blah blah."

"Fuck off no it isn't its a shitty pressed mCPP pill with absolutely no MDMA in it and your going to feel like shit tomorrow and maybe the reason your rolling your tits off was the half gram of MDMA and the coke you had earlier"

Fucking E-tards believe anyting

Exactly this. I've had a friend tell me that his friend took pills with heroin in them.

"Yeah, he said they were really good, made him feel really happy and warm inside"
"uh huh."
"Yeah, so he says he's going to buy some heroin and try it, becuase it made him feel so good"

At this point I actually did argue that it was highly unlikely that he took heroin, I'll let friends spout bullshit, becuase its not exactly worth arguing most of the time, but it seemed stupid to let someone buy and start taking heroin with absolutely no knowledge of what he was getting into, or having done any opiates before.

I've had people tell me that the pills they took were MDMA, MDA and LSD and that it got them so super high that they feel this weird meth like comedown for the next three days...

Edit, and OP and supporters arguments were essentially ruined when JP pointed out the oral bioavailability. At best, I'd guess you're going to get ~35% from morphine metabolites.

I would like to see these people try clean MDMA and see how "warm and happy" it makes them feel. I recon half these people who think its H in their pills are just used to MDMA + Amphetamine and dont realise that MDMA on its own is nowhere near as speedy and more a warm/happy feeling and thats what they asociate it with. Maybe "smack pills" actually = Clean MDMA pills to retards.

Sounds more like piperazines, slightly trippy/speedy with one hell of a comedown.

I just wish people would learn a bit more about what's in their pills, even most dealers are gullible enough to believe this shit. Iv met a lot of people that don't even know what's even meant to be in pills in the first place, they just think pills are pills and therefore just get you high regardless of what they contain. Mention BZP, PMA or any of the common adulterants and you just get a blank look half of them dont even know what MDMA is. Iv offerered to test pills for a few people now and iv got replies like "pills are pills mate, they all get you high" or "I dont even look at em any more, I just drop em."

Fucking retards

Lol youve all got your titties in such a twist. I think you're missing the point, its not OMFG LETS TAKE HEROIN IN OUR PILLS ITZ RLY GOOD, its "there have been some pills around which had heroin or another opiate in them". You've just taken what was said to the extreme and then denounced it because the extreme you are imagining is ridiculous.

Oh and street pharmacist (lol) shut the fuck up. you're a moron. You used to tag all your posts with something like Du$tY you absolute gay. What the fuck does your name mean anyway? are you 16? i just have trouble taking you seriously, im sorry.

Rainbows: The area i live on the southwest coast gets literally fuck all pills. Almost always its just mandy in crystals. When a batch goes around they tend to be weak but clean; we hardly ever get pills with speed in them. I wasnt speaking seriously about peopel twatting dealers, i was tryign to get the point across that it is really, really looked down upon and never seems to happen. Of course there is a demographic who are into doing billie and will buy any old shit really.

I was going over my posts and i realised this is kinda misleading. I don't mean it makes the high better, i mean it allows the dealer to sell them as omg skag pills mate!!1 which is why it is advantageous. Though i suppose it depends who's buying. the average level of drug knowledge in england seems to be extraordinarily low though, so i can see it being effective. We all know that group who are just...."enthusiastic" about that kind of thing because it sounds hardxcore.

First of all, thanks to the people who actually read the post and answered the question I asked.

i'm 100% sure for a reason, mother fuckers. Yes i used reagents, so now YOU can shut the fuck up.

I wasn't talking about getting fucked up off heroin in my X, or anything even along those lines. I asked if there was any way to extract it. So all you "smart" ass kids, with your walls of text knowledge can go back to school and learn to read first.

Maybe you should have said that in the first place and avoided that.

But then we wouldnt have exposed you all as armchair warriors.

By 'i used reagents', do you mean that you used marquis/Mandelin/Mecke or whatever? And you got a deep purplish red? Did you test a known sample of heroin against the colour that you got from the pill?

No offence, but there are lots of very similar colours that one can get, and its only complicated further when there's more than one alkaloid in there; for example Chlorpromazine is given also as a 'deep purplish red', codeine is given as a 'deep purple', morphine is a 'deep reddish purple', Propoxyphene is a blackish purple...

As for the answer to your original question, e.g. how to separate the two, column chromatography may well be your best bet.

First off, agreed.

Second, fuck you. Now I want some MDMA SO good.

And, finally, I would think that if Gebs knew how to correctly use reagents, then he would have also had the knowledge to know that he'd have a HELL of a time (damn near fucking impossible) trying to isolate chemicals from something like Ecstacy.

This thread is retarded.

I don't know, anyone can get and use reagents, its as simple as following the instructions. However I really doubt he tested them hes just trying to save face by saying he did.

The only moron in this thread was you spliffing, as you pretty much got shitted on by anybody with half a brain in their fucking head in this thread. Every statement of yours has been disaproving and now you even said some of your posts 'might of been misleading'. Your a fucking fag spliffing, I will never again waste my time posting in one of your dumbass threads.
Also, I am older then you spliffing, and judging from your 'knowledge' of drugs and your attitude I put your age anywhere between 14-18

And dU$tY is my tag, come visit NYC and you can see it everywhere. Named after my favorite drug of course...

And while I was in prison, I got the nickname 'The Pharmacist' for my ability to get pharmceuticals that nobody else could get pretty much whenever I wanted. When I got back out, the name pretty much stuck with me, so did my skill, except now that I was back on the street, they called me 'The Street Pharmacist'.

The end.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH i fucking bet you did. You're living in a fantasy world mate

You really are retarded, arent you?
I feel bad for you, 'mate'

You try far too hard to sound like some kind of made man Al Pacino character! Do you feel bad for me do you? well im very sorry for your sake, mate, perhaps with some hugs and someone to talk to you can work through it and live a wholesome and fulfilling life. That is if scarface from da state pen doesnt order a hit on "THE STREET PHARMACIST" (dun dun dun) because you've taken too long to hook him up with his aspirin tablets.

I'm not going to even bother wasting my time replying to your stupid comments anymore Spliffing, I've lost too many brain cells already talking to you. Grow the fuck up dude

As the Brits say, Good day mate

heroin does have bioavailability joepedo. Jesus christ how dumb are you.


If you put 20g of heroin in water, and drank that water......you would die from a heroin overdose. end of, dont even try argue that shit.

This is a funny post

yea at most it has a 35% oral bioavailbility rate. but who's going to have 20 grams of heroin to put into a gallon of water?


the only reason "X" would have heroin on it [we're talking micrograms worth] is because somewhere in the change of hands until it got to you it was stored in a bag that once stored heroin. oh dear. theres more heroin in the nearest sewage treatment plant...

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No.

You would die of a morphine overdose, at best. You are aware that acetyl groups break down so readily that that vinegar scent is acetic acid from heroin being actively degraded by atmospheric moisture, right?

Of the fraction that is degraded to morphine, you get its reduced bioavailiability. Of a different substance. In the fraction of that ~20% of ??% that afterwards survives the liver, at that.

'n that trace morphine produced ain't heroin.

"Oral bioavailability ranges from zero for heroin to 80% for methadone."

- The American Psychiatric Publishing Textbook of Neuropsychiatry, fifth edition.

http://books.google.com/books?id=f5B...&lpg=RA1-PA388

I'm sure they have, like, contact info where you could go to correct them.

joepedo just owned you i think

Joe, you pedo, I've been prescribed opiate based meds in the past what makes those different from heroin to allow for oral consumption? Curious that's all.

Well, in the opiate derivatives (as opposed to wholly-synthetic opioid agonists, sub/fent/methadone/etc), my humble understanding is that it usually involves lipid solubility...

Morphine has one of the lower ends of oral bioavaliability, I think at around 20%. Paradoxically enough, I think codiene does a bit better, orally, which is opposite the lipophilia hypotheosis.

I think the oxidizatilon to a ketone (-morphone, -codone) increases absorbtion, as does (I think) the 14(?)-oxidization (oxy___). One would have to look up the bioavaliabilities again to be sure, but that's my vague impression/recollection which may be wrong...

So, the more hydrophilic oxygenization = good. On the other end, heroin is (a) actually kinda fragile as fuck, honestly. Not only does it deacetylate in the presence of moisture, acids, or bases, but the acetic acid can help decyclatize to produce trace amounts of apomorphine, not an opiate and not good...

'n (b), it's a completely-masked, heavily lipophilic molecule that won't absorb 'till it gets to damn near the end of the intestine, if at all. Since it can't survive long enough to make it to the end of your intestine... you're fucked. Though deacetylation to morphine, rather than heroin, can add a little consolation prize, with high enough quantity.

tl;dr : half of everything you look for in injecting, you try to avoid in swallowing.

Pwned.

Sure you didnt mean selfpwn?

"H in X" is trully amongst top 10 stupidest drug myths i've ever heard, right up there with acid in your spine causing flashbacks.

Think about it:
-Expensive
-Not even slightly orally B.A. besides converting to morphine
-Morphine is way cheaper and has significant effects oraly, not to mention other opiates which are 1000x better of a substance to to put in rolls instead of H
-Can not be synth'd easily and 99% of the time it is almost always extracted from poppies (precipt'd and acetyl'd morph).
-Since it can not be synth'd in any mdma lab, maker has to source and pay for H making whole operation less profitable, more risky, and pointless due to the B.A. of H
-Test kits are as effective as your experience and ability of distinguishing the reaction with KNOWN substances.

A man smart enough to create mdma could not justify pressing it with H... hell, a person with H hookup would not make any money making cut or even fake pills with H, because if he needs to put around 0.4-0.8g (so it can turn into barely recreation dose of morphine in your body) then he's got to be paying around 50 a gram which could be turned around into few hundred when sold as what it is. Thats considering $20 a pop which is on the highest ive seen rolls sold.

You dont understand - i couldnt care less, i just wanna associate myself with pee diddy up there. ^^^^

I directed most of that at rest of the people saying "i got t3h skag in my rolls" but yea street pharmacists o.g. life story makes me laught a bit too.

Thats Australians, were more likely to say: see ya laaaer blad

bruup bruup

knock if off spliffing.

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Haha what? I'll stop since you asked civilly and have a shiny Moderator tag under your name but i'm curious...Is it because this thread has turned into a chatroom style flamewar? :P

your coming back in here just to instigate, thats why. you wanna bitch and moan, take it over there, not here, k.

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After 5 pages of people owning you spliffing, now you dont care anymore? Your so full of shit man its not even funny. You thought that you were tough shit saying ' oh yea my boy has h rolls, they exist, you guys are retarded, an h based roll feels just like MDMA yada yada yada" until everybody came in here and shut you the fuck up. Now you just resort to childish insults which only furthur my assumption of you as a 15 year old kid who hasnt hit puberty yet. Grow the fuck up and leave your mothers basement already you ignorant little prick.

And whats so hard to beleive? That I went to prison? That I was able to smuggle pills in? That when I came back out I did the same shit that got me sent upstate in the first place? Maybe not for your British motherfuckers, but over here thats a common story. And im sure not only in NY either.

And BTW, its Diddy, not 'pee diddy'

Fucking bird

shut up.

don't go antagonizing either, if you two wanna duke it out, fine, but not here.

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Everything has bioavailability you stupid prick. First, identify which one you were talking about (in the context of the thread it's obviously oral, but you're still a retard for not posting something coherent), and then you have to state some sort of percentage or amount.

So does heroin have bioavailability? You bet! However, is it very much? Fuck no!

jesus christ, you FLAMED me because you disagreed with the FACT that heroin has an effect when taken orally, which is does.

I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE SAYING "why would they do that, it would have no effect taken orally" so i was fucking correcting them.

So stop replying to me, your an idiot and were just picking a fight because you heard Joepedo and you thought you could flame me and get away with it and look big. Well done, you failed miserably and a lot of people who read your posts probably think your an idiot now.

It wouldn't have any effect when taken orally in a pill, which is what the OP was talking about. Saying that you'd OD on 20 grams taken orally is completely irrelevant.

You're coming across as the idiot.

Thank you.

Callumpimp, you stumbled through my post with the eloquence of a drunk eating his own puke. Learn how to fucking comprehend things that you read.

you didn;t quote the whole thing jackass

youre point...?

nowhere in the OP did he specify which he meant out of the two explanations.