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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-09-17, 17:49
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best courage drug
im off to do some work on friday, door knocking, selling goods, a one time thing to make some quick cash and i need something that will make me less nervous, something to give me a little courage, note i have to walk through a large nature reserve to get where i need to get so im willing to risk it with most drugs just dont tell me to hit up salvia or diphenhydrinate or anythin that will have me talking to trees or crying in some canopy lost.
my thoughts would be the classical single valium pill, chased with a double whiskey (or in my case lemon extract, %70 percent rather then 35% for 80 cents), i got a ton of codiene but cwe dont seem to work for me cause i havnt got the proper filters, and of course some weed but i think that will make me less "salesmenly" and fuck me if i get caught by the cops. dxm is an idea last longer but i will appear too drunk i think
tl;dr best courage drug for salesmen, somethin to make even the shyest proud enough to strip off and dance
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#2
 2008-09-17, 17:55
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Re: best courage drug
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Originally Posted by Sexual_Jesus
im off to do some work on friday, door knocking, selling goods, a one time thing to make some quick cash and i need something that will make me less nervous, something to give me a little courage, note i have to walk through a large nature reserve to get where i need to get so im willing to risk it with most drugs just dont tell me to hit up salvia or diphenhydrinate or anythin that will have me talking to trees or crying in some canopy lost.
my thoughts would be the classical single valium pill, chased with a double whiskey (or in my case lemon extract, %70 percent rather then 35% for 80 cents), i got a ton of codiene but cwe dont seem to work for me cause i havnt got the proper filters, and of course some weed but i think that will make me less "salesmenly" and fuck me if i get caught by the cops. dxm is an idea last longer but i will appear too drunk i think
tl;dr best courage drug for salesmen, somethin to make even the shyest proud enough to strip off and dance
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Xanax
Cocain
maybe ecstasy if you can handle it without being all twacked out in front of your people :P
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#3
 2008-09-17, 17:56
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Re: best courage drug
Valium, klonopin, xanax, etc.
Obviously low dose and not recreational.
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#4
 2008-09-17, 17:57
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Re: best courage drug
Cocain
maybe ecstasy if you can handle it without being all twacked out in front of your people :P
He's trying to sell stuff dude, not have a good time. Christ.
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#5
 2008-09-17, 17:59
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Re: best courage drug
Personally, I'd do 150-200mgs of DXM if you really want it to last or you could do a larger dose of the polistyrex(sp?) which is basically a time release version.
It should loosen you up fairly well while keeping you sober enough to do what you need to do. It's also legal which is a plus.
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#6
 2008-09-17, 18:03
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Re: best courage drug
I was actually talking about this today.
I reckon if you dropped 2 good diddleys, you'd be able to sell anything to anyone.
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#7
 2008-09-17, 18:09
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Re: best courage drug
Alcohol= liquid courage
Protip: Knocking on people's doors shit faced, is a great way to make no money.
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#8
 2008-09-17, 18:14
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Re: best courage drug
He's trying to sell stuff dude, not have a good time. Christ.
oh yeah
my bad
scratch coke and e
just use xanax
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#9
 2008-09-17, 18:15
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Re: best courage drug
Benzos on their own will reduce anxiety, but don't really give you much of a social drive -- they can do the opposite in fact. They could make you comparatively sociable if you have quite bad anxiety normally.
Perhaps combine some benzos (preferably not too sedative) with domaninergic drugs such as cocaine or methylphenidate. Maybe kava would be a good option as it's a MAO-B inhibitor (more dopamine) and an anxiolytic, plus you won't act quite as dumb as a benzoed person would.
The best choice IMO is GHB/GBL. Nice anxiolytic effect with quite intense dopamine boost, so best in both ways. Plus it's not really that bad on your mental function unless you take a lot.
Yeah and dissociatives have always made me introverted and uninterested in the outside world. I know ketamine causes this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alogia), and it's not really the best state of mind for engaging your customers. I reckon DXM would be much the same.
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#10
 2008-09-17, 18:16
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Re: best courage drug
Cocaethylene.
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#11
 2008-09-17, 18:20
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Ezekiel35 
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Re: best courage drug
Cocaethylene.
Yeah, this.
I've also heard opiates are good for confidence, sociability and anxiety.
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#12
 2008-09-17, 18:23
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Re: best courage drug
Yeah, this.
I've also heard opiates are good for confidence, sociability and anxiety.
...or nodding out on the natural trail or someone hits a sour note with you and you fly off the fucking handle...
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#13
 2008-09-17, 18:25
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Re: best courage drug
For me, Adderall worked, so I'd assume any amp would in the proper dose.
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#14
 2008-09-17, 18:25
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Re: best courage drug
...or nodding out on the natural trail or someone hits a sour note with you and you fly off the fucking handle...
You forget the obvious benefits of puking on people's doorsteps.
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#15
 2008-09-17, 18:32
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Re: best courage drug
Check your eyes before you go. I've had a couple of "oh shit" moments around people I shouldn't be on drugs around when I've felt practically sober but been waaay too dilated for my own good.
And I know this is a drugs forum and not Reinvent Yourself, but really, if you just man up and go door-to-door sober it'll do your confidence good. And it's obviously not sky-high if you can't face the thought of knocking on people's doors without some chemical confidence or Dutch courage.
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#16
 2008-09-17, 18:52
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Re: best courage drug
Courage drug?
Meth or Cocaine.
If your going to be selling things dont:
MDMA
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#17
 2008-09-17, 19:00
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Re: best courage drug
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Originally Posted by Before the Opiate
Courage drug?
Meth or Cocaine.
If your going to be selling things dont:
MDMA
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someone will definately know if your on meth
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#18
 2008-09-17, 19:02
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Re: best courage drug
someone will definately know if your on meth
They'll probably realise right about the time the OP grabs their TV and runs off to pawn it for meth money.
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#19
 2008-09-17, 19:18
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Re: best courage drug
PCP? Be careful you can easily go from courage to flat out crazy in a split second. 
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#20
 2008-09-17, 19:23
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Re: best courage drug
I would say opiates, but someone made a good point about someone saying the wrong thing and making you flip out. So it just depends on if you get mood swings on opes or not.
I'd say coke would be pretty good for this, as it turns most people into cocky motherfuckers.
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#21
 2008-09-17, 19:23
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Re: best courage drug
Take a low oral dose (20-40mg) of whatever amphetamines are availible. Taking it orally is preferable because it's less intense, lasts longer and for me at least it's a smoother experience overall compared to insufflation, and there's less irrational fear or anxiety. Yes I know how much lower the bioavailability is, but higher numbers aren't automatically better in every situation. This isn't recreational use as much as "therapeutic" use, like when they give it to kids who don't want to do schoolwork.
If you can only find meth it's about three times as potent, so reduce dosage accordingly. I don't have any direct experience with meth though, so I'm not sure if it's that simple, hopefully someone who doesn't live on the east coast can shed some light on that.
Keep in mind I'm just telling you what I would do if I was faced with this situation, you may find that something else suits you better. Before you actually go out and do this you should take it at home or in an otherwise stable, undemanding situation where you can get a feel for it's effects. Also I'm operating under the assumption that this is just something you're doing because you need some money and you're not planning on doing this for a long time. If that's not the case I hate to say it but you're going to have to learn to do it sober.
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#22
 2008-09-17, 19:32
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Re: best courage drug
someone will definately know if your on meth
That's true..but I just read the title. Went back and edited it to add "Don't do MDMA" once I read the first post and forgot to take out Meth. Eh. I know a dude that's a car salesman that's also in to meth. He does it before, during and after work and you'd be surprised how well he's doing.
Anyways..signal's post above about sums it up.
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#23
 2008-09-17, 19:39
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Re: best courage drug
Has anyone even said dexedrine? Or Adderal?
Go with either of those two. Take about 15-25mgs depending on your weight, and tolerance.
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#24
 2008-09-17, 19:41
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Re: best courage drug
You want courage?? Lol, drink.
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#25
 2008-09-17, 20:15
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Re: best courage drug
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Originally Posted by ego-twitcher
You want courage?? Lol, drink.
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He wants courage and the ability to function, so he needs amphetamines.
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#26
 2008-09-17, 21:36
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Re: best courage drug
 pcp nigga
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#27
 2008-09-17, 21:48
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Re: best courage drug
I´ve been a door-to-door salesman a long time ago in a foreign country and did my first intoxicant over ten years ago, I want to contribute here.
that work is hard. okey, only a day here but generally, the more relaxed you are, the better you sell. people sense a desperate seller and that´s a sure no sell. when I did it, didn´t have a base salary, if I didn´t sell it was a night in the car or a ditch. no sell, no money, at all. and when you don´t sell for a while, it gets harder and harder. but when you´ve sold good and quickly, you know you´re gonna sleep under a roof the next night (hups, a referance back to my sell days, sometimes made nice money in just two hours). when you´ve sold good, you go to the next door with no pressure, no desperate need to sell, you don´t care if you make that particular sale or not and you sell. back to what people sense, you just improvise relaxed stuff with nothing to lose. And the money changes owner...
I mainly (not always, lol) worked sober back in the day, sometimes beer to get me motivated enough to continue on a bad day. but, but, but. there are things to make it go smooth for sure.
valium (if you´re social and have imagination of your own. to relax and get it all out)
alcohol (just the right amount and hide the smell. goes together with benzos too, right amounts again)
uppers (for not so social by nature types, too. but some many things to concider, got to know what you´re doing)
a combo of those mixed right would do the trick for me, but it´s my body/experience/history/mix/personal preference.
good luck!
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#28
 2008-09-17, 23:49
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Re: best courage drug
Adderall, dumbasses?
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#29
 2008-09-18, 00:39
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Re: best courage drug
Adderall, dumbasses?
That'd probably work better if Adderall hadn't already been said....
Just a guess :)
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#30
 2008-09-18, 00:45
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Re: best courage drug
cocaine or opiates
Cocaine for overall confidence
Opiates for reasoned confidence.
Opiates are by far the prime candidate for your criteria and situation.
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#31
 2008-09-18, 00:57
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elusive 
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Re: best courage drug
oxycontin mixed with a little sprinkle of xanax.
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#32
 2008-09-18, 00:58
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Re: best courage drug
your a fucking dumb idiot, seriously. When someone comes to your door you are scanning them for trustability and credibilty constantly if they are selling you something. They will not know your on drugs, but theyll think something is up and no buy anything from you. You'll look weird and your confidence will be intimidating.
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#33
 2008-09-18, 01:49
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Re: best courage drug
i'd carry a flask and maintain a mild buzz...
just that feeling you get around 4 beers should do it..
and adderall, sure throw that in the mix.
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#34
 2008-09-18, 03:29
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Re: best courage drug
Alcohol is good except for the alcohol on your breath. I have anxiety and if i drank i would be worried that they would smell the alcohol and i wouldn't function confidently.
It's all different depending on your sober personality. adderall for me makes me feel like i can kick ass in everything where as in friends i know that are hyper already they slow down and relax.
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#35
 2008-09-18, 04:04
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Re: best courage drug
either an opiate or benzo would be the best option. downsides of benzos are you might look noticeably fucked up (or look goofy/retarded) and not realize it, you may lose motivation to sell the most you can, and it effects your inteligence/memory, all of these factors directly depend on the dose and type of benzo. resist taking an extra valium and stick to a small enough dose that you know will get you buzzed and feel confident. its all too easy to say to yourself "not a strong enough buzz" and pop another, but this could easily make it a tad too much, especially if their 10mg ones.
opiates might make you less charasmatic and friendly looking as it will make you more iritable and less social, scratching all over might turn off your potential customers, and u'll be more sensitive to the sun light and might squint really badly.
alcohol is a good choice, best way to conceal the smell is to drink beer, then swish listerine in your mouth for a minute and spit, then repeat. really works great in my experience. dont spill any on your clothes tho.brushing your teeth while your at it wont hurt either as far as eliminating the smell. but valium is a great choice as long as u keep it at a SAFE dose. i hav the habit of taking too many benzos at a time, not giving it enough time to kick in fully cuz im anxous and want to fix that anxiety as quickly as i can. plus when it starts to kick in, its easy to worry less about the potential consequenses of "just taking one more", which can easily end up taking 2+ more.
best of luck to ya. i hav always enjoyed playing the salesman role but lately im too damn anxious to deal with people and take advantage of my skill. it helps to use rational thought also, like list reasons why you don't care one way or another what they think of you, or whatever else that can ease the tension. sorry for rambling, it's the adderall
edit: ghb is my current favorite solution. insanely cheap, and works great. my own dad can't tell i'm on anything when i'm on it, but he always knows when i'm on something else. works great for anxiety, makes u more social. adderall is definetly another worth considering. it'll do it all, and give you the energy and drive to sell as much as humanely possible, and make your talking/reasoning better as well. fuck it, just go with adderall if u can get it.
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#36
 2008-09-18, 04:24
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Re: best courage drug
This thread is so gay.
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#37
 2008-09-18, 05:11
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Re: best courage drug
honestly i cant believe how many useful replies have been said, thanks to everyone stuff like this really makes me feel like im home.
ive decided with alcohol and benzo's, they both potentiate each other and with a low enough dosage i should be fine and proud, theres always that moment where alcohol makes you smarter, more alert, more charismatic, before you drink to much and turn into an idiot. i wanted to dex but im too afraid ill underdose and to redose will take another hour to kick in.
thanks everyone for all the wonderful replies you've all been a great help :)
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#38
 2008-09-18, 05:43
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Re: best courage drug
lol this is retarded
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#39
 2008-09-18, 16:46
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Re: best courage drug
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Originally Posted by LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry
I would say opiates, but someone made a good point about someone saying the wrong thing and making you flip out. So it just depends on if you get mood swings on opes or not.
I'd say coke would be pretty good for this, as it turns most people into cocky motherfuckers.
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If you're worried about someone saying the wrong thing and making the OP flip out, surely coke's a bad choice too?
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#40
 2008-09-18, 17:18
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Re: best courage drug
For good salesmanship, 2mg Xanax.
For a good time and an even better show...drop 20mg.
You'll be asking them what they just said every 2 minutes, and slurred as fuck.
I of course would have to opt for the 2nd option.
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#41
 2008-09-18, 17:37
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Re: best courage drug
For a good time and an even better show...drop 20mg.
You'll be asking them what they just said every 2 minutes, and slurred as fuck.
You'd come back to the same house like ten times in a row, dropping all your fliers and shit all over the sidewalk in the meantime.
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#42
 2008-09-18, 20:31
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Re: best courage drug
adderall or crystal, adderall only if you don't wanna try meth. on tweak you could sell water to a well man.
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#43
 2008-09-18, 20:55
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Re: best courage drug
get smashed and take amphetamine for quickness/alertness
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#44
 2008-09-19, 01:29
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Re: best courage drug
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Originally Posted by SomeLowLife
Alcohol= liquid courage
Protip: Knocking on people's doors shit faced, is a great way to make no money.
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o my. ive caught miself saying tht exact phrase 10s of times lol 
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#45
 2008-09-19, 04:42
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Re: best courage drug
huff some gas works for me everytime but I guess thats why im homeless living under a bridge posting at a library:p
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#46
 2008-09-19, 05:22
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Re: best courage drug
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Originally Posted by Sexual_Jesus
im off to do some work on friday, door knocking, selling goods, a one time thing to make some quick cash and i need something that will make me less nervous, something to give me a little courage, note i have to walk through a large nature reserve to get where i need to get so im willing to risk it with most drugs just dont tell me to hit up salvia or diphenhydrinate or anythin that will have me talking to trees or crying in some canopy lost.
my thoughts would be the classical single valium pill, chased with a double whiskey (or in my case lemon extract, %70 percent rather then 35% for 80 cents), i got a ton of codiene but cwe dont seem to work for me cause i havnt got the proper filters, and of course some weed but i think that will make me less "salesmenly" and fuck me if i get caught by the cops. dxm is an idea last longer but i will appear too drunk i think
tl;dr best courage drug for salesmen, somethin to make even the shyest proud enough to strip off and dance
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Cannabis would be the best courage drug if used properly.
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#47
 2008-09-19, 05:35
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Re: best courage drug
coke...
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#48
 2008-09-19, 06:51
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Re: best courage drug
You'd come back to the same house like ten times in a row, dropping all your fliers and shit all over the sidewalk in the meantime.
Thats the point...
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#49
 2008-09-19, 11:46
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Re: best courage drug
Cannabis would be the best courage drug if used properly.
I fail to see how Pot would in any way help someone in a sales situation. Especially if used properly :)
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#50
 2008-09-19, 14:52
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Re: best courage drug
Just keep giving yourself low doses of cocaine and some good weed,(hopefully dro) and just keep yourself at a heightened alertness with the coke but take away the look of speeding with just a little bit of smoking.
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#51
 2008-09-19, 15:28
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Re: best courage drug
GVL
Gamma veralactone (not GHB you idiots)
or
PCP?
Actually of one the least potent analogue of GHB would do the trick.
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#52
 2008-09-19, 19:00
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Re: best courage drug
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Originally Posted by stateofhack
GVL
Gamma veralactone (not GHB you idiots)
or
PCP?
Actually of one the least potent analogue of GHB would do the trick.
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Why GVL? If you can measure doses properly, it doesn't matter what GHB analogue you use.
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#53
 2008-09-19, 21:58
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Re: best courage drug
Why GVL? If you can measure doses properly, it doesn't matter what GHB analogue you use.
Your a dumbass, go learn some chemistry and pharmacology. I wont bother to explain how wrong the above statement is because it is later now.
The effects (at least for me and another 7 people i know personally and one online) differ greatly from GHB. Its a lot more mellow in the correct dose and relaxed, you do not have this "floppy leg" feeling and are able to function normaly (when correctly dosed)
I am the god of the internet.
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#54
 2008-09-19, 22:29
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Re: best courage drug
what the fuck? tripping balls isnt a good idea to help you sell shit. A salesperson that is calm and sounds like he is smart is always the most appealing. Everyone hates those fucking aggressive salespeople, and if you are to shy people wont be afraid to to turn you down. Pop a few percocets and you'll be fine.
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