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2008-09-17, 07:02
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Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Ok, I know the lot of you don't really like "stoners." You know...that stereotype of the lazy, dumb pot-smoking burn out. I know I certaintly don't take too fondly of being called one, not that it has happened to many times. To the point...
Yesterday the editor in chief of High Times and a retired DEA officer debated about legalizing at my university, and the public's opinion was a little startling. The majority of people there had the impression that smoking cannabis makes you slow and dumb. "The bums lost, Lebowski." Perhaps the cause and effect are mixed up here. My theory is this -- smoking marijuana is not the cause and becoming lazy is not the effect, being lazy is the cause and smoking marijuana is the effect.
I'll explain: Stoners are predisposed to be lazy. Before any weed is ever toked, they already have the personality and look. It just so happens that poking smot is perfect for this lifestyle. It makes sitting on the couch and watching hours of TV, what would be boring to most people, much more enjoyable. Of course I'm generalizing here and not everyone who smokes weed is lazy and not every lazy bum is a pot smoker. But that's just it -- a generalization, I can't catalog every single individual's personality.
I smoke a good amount of bud. At least one bowl is put into the air each day but I generally try to limit it to only a night time activity. Despite this, I'll try to make this not so biased and include some facts from the other side of the argument.
It is scientific fact that cannabis slows down response time and impairs memory. Although plenty of studies have been done, "not much is known why" is all I ever here. The only explanation I've seen was in a video I saw once in addiction class. It went on to say that cannabinoids are absorbed by the fatty tissues throughout the body and this includes the brain. Over months and years of use, the lipids in the brain become saturated with cannabiniods which hinder and slow down the neurological processes.
This is a descent idea, but a google search provided no resources, in fact all I could find where positive things about cannabinoids in the brain -- how the cannabinoid receptor system targets cancer, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's or Parkinson's diseases, inflammation, pain, schizophrenia, depression, and anxiety.
Down to the meat and potatoes of this thread, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I'm just trying to defend the drug so that the next time you see a walking replica of a guy from Half Baked you don't get the wrong idea.
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2008-09-17, 07:26
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
yea, i've had a similar theory that lazy people are predisposed to not just pot but also opiates. infact, a personality of someone can easily gauge which drugs they may like and dislike. this is pretty much a given, as for the majority of human beings we're one hell of a predisposed lot. but i'm not psychologist, and only somewhat educated. i am however, human.
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2008-09-17, 10:06
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
*shrugs*
makes sense to me
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2008-09-17, 10:34
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I don't think it so simple.
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2008-09-17, 10:54
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
tl/dr
Only a small portion of stoners are actually lazy and dumb. Most work a honest job, make a decent wage, and do everything a "normal" person does. They go home after working 12 hours, have a few joints/smoke some bongs, then just relax before they have to go back to work and do it all again.
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2008-09-17, 11:22
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
FUCKIN' RIGHT OP! I've been trying to say this for years. I hate people who trash pot smokers. They have to realize that the losers who smoke pot were losers before they smoked pot. It's not the pot that makes them losers.
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2008-09-17, 13:37
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I completely agree with you, OP.
I myself smoke a lot of ganja per day. However, I still manage to attain a high 2.1. average at a reputable UK university. I'm in a steady, long-term relationship as well. I have a car that I pay for myself. I'm certainly not a lazy individual - I'm far to cautious about my life for that. Indeed, one day I wish to pursue a career in Law, of all things! I think the key to being successful/driven/motivated/ambitious is knowing when to smoke and when to not; it's simple really - just get your shit done before you light that first spliff...
Yet, technically, I guess I'm a 'stoner'. This may be true, but I'm certainly not a stereotype.
I'm very willing to go along with the statement 'being lazy is the cause and smoking marijuana is the effect'.
Last edited by crimsonsmoke; 2008-09-17 at 14:06.
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# 8

2008-09-17, 13:41
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Originally Posted by wolfy_9005
Only a small portion of stoners are actually lazy and dumb. Most work a honest job, make a decent wage, and do everything a "normal" person does. They go home after working 12 hours, have a few joints/smoke some bongs, then just relax before they have to go back to work and do it all again.
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tl/dr
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# 9

2008-09-17, 15:09
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Eating/sleeping too much/too little as a regular thing messes up a productive lifestyle.
As weed in general (we'll leave the difference in effect between indica and sativa aside) intensifies sensations and thoughts, it can make you very active/intense/hyper/deaden appetite/forget sleepiness. It can also make you very slowed down/spinny and unfocused/ very hungry/sleepy.
People like to stick things into the "black box"/"white box" dichotomy.
For them if it makes you sleepy, it certainly could never wake anyone up. If it makes people go on food trips of indescribable munchiness? How could it ever be used to have a speedy effect and bypass eating?
It's all too easy to conceive of it as making you sit on the couch, watching the Box and stuffing your face. Then you get high and it intensifies that conception. Let alone it can make it hard for a group to get organized. Much easier to organize the group at a very low common denominator of passive activities.
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2008-09-17, 18:28
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I smoke a tonne of pot and I still manage to study, work 36 hours a week, see my girlfriend and have a social life.
I've always been lazy when it comes to study and smoking pot is no excuse for it. But quite frankly, I really like to get baked and if I can continue to get decent grades and do all the things a normal person can do and continue to smoke pot, I will.
The only down side to being a massive stoner on a limited budget is running out of pot. It sucks.
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#11
 2008-09-17, 19:00
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I think most of us already knew this, but it was well said.
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 2008-09-17, 19:39
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I'm lazy, but its not cause of pot... its just that i don't like working. I'd still be unemployed if i didn't toke. lol.
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#13
 2008-09-17, 20:20
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Originally Posted by ego-twitcher
I'm lazy, but its not cause of pot... its just that i don't like working. I'd still be unemployed if i didn't toke. lol.
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I hate being unemployed. Having no money sucks, and it's not like I even know enough people I can mooch off their weed for the time being, doing rotations so no one suspects I'm only there for the pot.
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#14
 2008-09-17, 20:26
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Originally Posted by Cozy Amnesia
Ok, I know the lot of you don't really like "stoners." You know...that stereotype of the lazy, dumb pot-smoking burn out. I know I certaintly don't take too fondly of being called one, not that it has happened to many times. To the point...
Yesterday the editor in chief of High Times and a retired DEA officer debated about legalizing at my university, and the public's opinion was a little startling. The majority of people there had the impression that smoking cannabis makes you slow and dumb. "The bums lost, Lebowski." Perhaps the cause and effect are mixed up here. My theory is this -- smoking marijuana is not the cause and becoming lazy is not the effect, being lazy is the cause and smoking marijuana is the effect.
I'll explain: Stoners are predisposed to be lazy. Before any weed is ever toked, they already have the personality and look. It just so happens that poking smot is perfect for this lifestyle. It makes sitting on the couch and watching hours of TV, what would be boring to most people, much more enjoyable. Of course I'm generalizing here and not everyone who smokes weed is lazy and not every lazy bum is a pot smoker. But that's just it -- a generalization, I can't catalog every single individual's personality.
I smoke a good amount of bud. At least one bowl is put into the air each day but I generally try to limit it to only a night time activity. Despite this, I'll try to make this not so biased and include some facts from the other side of the argument.
It is scientific fact that cannabis slows down response time and impairs memory. Although plenty of studies have been done, "not much is known why" is all I ever here. The only explanation I've seen was in a video I saw once in addiction class. It went on to say that cannabinoids are absorbed by the fatty tissues throughout the body and this includes the brain. Over months and years of use, the lipids in the brain become saturated with cannabiniods which hinder and slow down the neurological processes.
This is a descent idea, but a google search provided no resources, in fact all I could find where positive things about cannabinoids in the brain -- how the cannabinoid receptor system targets cancer, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's or Parkinson's diseases, inflammation, pain, schizophrenia, depression, and anxiety.
Down to the meat and potatoes of this thread, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I'm just trying to defend the drug so that the next time you see a walking replica of a guy from Half Baked you don't get the wrong idea.
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Well it really depends 80% on your personality, if you a up and going type of nigga then weed is just gonna calm you down. If you a smart ass dude and you been smoking for a long time weed ain't gonna do too much to you're ablity to think and remember shit, but you just started smoking bud then yeah it will.
Take for example my dudes, one is a total burn out dumb ass, and every one blames it on weed. No tht mother fucker was a retard before the bud.
My other dude is a smart ass geeky kid. He smokes atleast 2 blunts a day, and still manages to get a A,B average.
And what you do high is still up to personality mostly, if you like just sitting there watching TV all day then that what you gonna do. But if you like me and my dudes and like to explore shit sober, then guess what you gonna do high?
And smoking bud does relieve a SHIT LOAD of mental illnesses, I'm skitzo, bi-polar, and have depression. Smoking weed makes it all go away. The positive effects surpass the negative, chance of being a burn out, slowed reflexes (Only by a fraction of a second though), will make your lungs go black after years of use, and other shit I don't feel like typing.
Sum it all up, it depends on your personality what you do high, and how stupid you are (also in large quantities), the good out weight the bad with weed, and smoking weed 3 time + in a week makes you a stoner.
Be proud of the title Stoner, not many people are brave enough as you to take a leap into the drug side of life.
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#15
 2008-09-17, 22:45
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
people need to be more active when they toke. I hate just sitting on the couch, when me and my boy smoke, we go on adventures. we basically walk around at night running from cars, and looking for places to light cigs. For all the (lazy) tokers out there, get off the couch.
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#16
 2008-09-17, 22:48
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Being a stoner is dumb. It's like asking why the sky is blue.
Toking up is different from being a stoner who, by definition, smokes huge amounts of weed and then spends the rest of his time in a semi-vegetative state gorging himself on twizzlers.
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#17
 2008-09-17, 22:55
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Nice job there buddy I figured out that logic when i was 13 years old
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#18
 2008-09-18, 01:06
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Narnia. It is a silly place.
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
As a former toker and often lazy lardass I can confirm for my own self that marijuana fits the sitting-on-your-butt type perfectly.
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#19
 2008-09-18, 01:23
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
omg your so right, people are criminals....and then they do the act!
addicts are addicts....and then they find drugs!
people are fat....and then they find food! oh wait lol
people first have big clothes...and then they get bigger!
people are really large condoms...and then their dick gets bigger!
shut the fuck up, if u not the stereotypical stoner its because you havent smoked enough for long enough.
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#20
 2008-09-18, 01:40
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I'm skitzo
If you had it, you'd at least be able to spell it.
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#21
 2008-09-18, 01:44
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Originally Posted by TrueBudSmoker
Nice job there buddy I figured out that logic when i was 13 years old
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This.
I consider myself a stoner in that I enjoy weed, but..
seriously, I do alot more than just smoke, and I do good in school. I only smoke when I don't have anything important to do (ok, that's a lie, school, but I do even better stoned.. believe it or not..)
I can't stand feeling useless, especially high I get guilt tripped about it, so you'll always see me doing something.
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#22
 2008-09-18, 06:03
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Originally Posted by gfizzle
people need to be more active when they toke. I hate just sitting on the couch, when me and my boy smoke, we go on adventures. we basically walk around at night running from cars, and looking for places to light cigs. For all the (lazy) tokers out there, get off the couch.
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Ahhhh! EBT: Earned Bum Time. Like alcohol after you've been really active or being active while you're drinking. If your metabolism is slow because you've been slacking: you tend to get slower & slower. If you sit down later, you'll still be pumped. You might even nod out for a bit & wake up feeling pretty good. As opposed to passing out for a long time.
Besides, it's good practice doing stuff while you're high. Are you paying attention? As much attention as you think you are? When you get up off your ass you get a chance to find out.
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#23
 2008-09-18, 06:31
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Originally Posted by Cozy Amnesia
Ok, I know the lot of you don't really like "stoners." You know...that stereotype of the lazy, dumb pot-smoking burn out. I know I certaintly don't take too fondly of being called one, not that it has happened to many times. To the point...
Yesterday the editor in chief of High Times and a retired DEA officer debated about legalizing at my university, and the public's opinion was a little startling. The majority of people there had the impression that smoking cannabis makes you slow and dumb. "The bums lost, Lebowski." Perhaps the cause and effect are mixed up here. My theory is this -- smoking marijuana is not the cause and becoming lazy is not the effect, being lazy is the cause and smoking marijuana is the effect.
I'll explain: Stoners are predisposed to be lazy. Before any weed is ever toked, they already have the personality and look. It just so happens that poking smot is perfect for this lifestyle. It makes sitting on the couch and watching hours of TV, what would be boring to most people, much more enjoyable. Of course I'm generalizing here and not everyone who smokes weed is lazy and not every lazy bum is a pot smoker. But that's just it -- a generalization, I can't catalog every single individual's personality.
I smoke a good amount of bud. At least one bowl is put into the air each day but I generally try to limit it to only a night time activity. Despite this, I'll try to make this not so biased and include some facts from the other side of the argument.
It is scientific fact that cannabis slows down response time and impairs memory. Although plenty of studies have been done, "not much is known why" is all I ever here. The only explanation I've seen was in a video I saw once in addiction class. It went on to say that cannabinoids are absorbed by the fatty tissues throughout the body and this includes the brain. Over months and years of use, the lipids in the brain become saturated with cannabiniods which hinder and slow down the neurological processes.
This is a descent idea, but a google search provided no resources, in fact all I could find where positive things about cannabinoids in the brain -- how the cannabinoid receptor system targets cancer, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's or Parkinson's diseases, inflammation, pain, schizophrenia, depression, and anxiety.
Down to the meat and potatoes of this thread, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I'm just trying to defend the drug so that the next time you see a walking replica of a guy from Half Baked you don't get the wrong idea.
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To long didnt read
Guess i am just a lazy stoner huh
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#24
 2008-09-18, 06:38
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I think you're partly right, but I'm pretty sure that heavy weed use does downgrade mental (and physical) preformance. See, when you're sitting on a couch all day watching mindless daytime TV, you're not learning, you're brain isn't growing, developing. The human brain gets better at things with practice, the connections can be made faster, with more ease. Anyone whose trained to do anything knows this.
When you're sitting on a couch all day, your brain isn't working the parts it normally would, which I suppose would be more "slowing growth" than making you stupid, although the two aren't far off.
Being a stoner is dumb. It's like asking why the sky is blue.
Toking up is different from being a stoner who, by definition, smokes huge amounts of weed and then spends the rest of his time in a semi-vegetative state gorging himself on twizzlers.
I fucking love twizzlers. :)
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#25
 2008-09-18, 06:57
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I like how all of those who consider themselves dumb stoners just get offended and spurt out generic "tl/dr"s. I guess the title of the thread is a little misleading...
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 2008-09-18, 16:20
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Only a small portion of stoners are actually lazy and dumb. Most work a honest job, make a decent wage, and do everything a "normal" person does.
There is a difference between a stoner and a marijuana user.
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#27
 2008-09-18, 16:32
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
the real lulz in this thread is people trying to justify that they smoke pot but aren't lazy...
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#28
 2008-09-18, 16:35
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
tl/dr
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#29
 2008-09-19, 03:34
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
If you had it, you'd at least be able to spell it.
:o
Sorry for not wanting to spell out a whole fucking word!
Schizophrenic
Happy?
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 2008-09-19, 04:09
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Makes sense, I was lazy long before I started smoking bud...when I'm high I usually just get lazier though.
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#31
 2008-09-19, 05:10
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Is there a problem with liking weed a lot? That it should carry such a connotation is really prejudice and unjust, man. I smoke a quarter ounce of ganz almost every day, and I do plenty of stuff other than smoke weed. I go to the spot, get 40 ounces from the liquor store, use my friend's computer to play Team Fortress 2, and watch the hobbit cartoon.
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 2008-09-19, 05:23
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Is there a problem with liking weed a lot? That it should carry such a connotation is really prejudice and unjust, man. I smoke a quarter ounce of ganz almost every day, and I do plenty of stuff other than smoke weed. I go to the spot, get 40 ounces from the liquor store, use my friend's computer to play Team Fortress 2, and watch the hobbit cartoon.
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Are you fucking retarded?
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#33
 2008-09-19, 12:02
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
you smoke a quad a day eh?
why don't you just buy some blow instead?
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 2008-09-19, 12:57
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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you smoke a quad a day eh?
why don't you just buy some blow instead?
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Cause you'd enjoy the weed more than you would the coke.
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#35
 2008-09-20, 22:15
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I think its safe to say the looser stoners, would be more sucessful with out weed. I think its also safe to say the looser stoners have looser dealers, and are exposed to other things. All the people I know who have followed the gateway drug path, were loosers to begin with, and because no one respectable would sell to them, they bought from older loosers and got exposed to hard drugs by their looser dealers and drug "freinds". Their are plenty or people who can smoke weed just fine, but the loosers in particular are more likely to continue to progress into "permafried" and hard drug use. It should be noted I dont associate using hard drugs with being a looser.
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#36
 2008-09-21, 00:07
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I love weed, but I think this thread is just something to justify your use. Man up. Bitch.
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#37
 2008-09-21, 02:37
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
I think lazy people are probably more likely to love amps. Once they try them that is.
But yea lazy people tend to like weed.
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#38
 2008-09-24, 21:43
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Sorry for not wanting to spell out a whole fucking word!
Schizophrenic
Happy?
I was thinking more along the lines of skitzo ----> schizo
You know, just like the word "comfortable" doesn't become "cohfy", it's "comfy".
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#39
 2008-09-25, 06:45
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
On the "personality as pertaining to activity" note, my friend and I tend to clash quite a bit in that area.
Blank is always the "Hey, let's chill out, relax, and maybe watch some Kung Fu tonight." guy, whereas I tend to be the "Let's GO somewhere, meet some people/Build a giant LEGO construct/ROBOT!" Having fallen out of contact with our larger circle post-graduation, it's usually Kung Fu and LEGOs, which I suppose works out okay most nights. Munchies are common across the board, so for awhile it was McDonalds, but given our recent months experience in line cooking, we've taken to random kitchen experiments, some of which have turned out nicely!
Anyway, off topic, but yes, I see where you're coming from.
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#40
 2008-10-05, 03:41
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Originally Posted by Win A Free Ipod
On the "personality as pertaining to activity" note, my friend and I tend to clash quite a bit in that area.
Blank is always the "Hey, let's chill out, relax, and maybe watch some Kung Fu tonight." guy, whereas I tend to be the "Let's GO somewhere, meet some people/Build a giant LEGO construct/ROBOT!" Having fallen out of contact with our larger circle post-graduation, it's usually Kung Fu and LEGOs, which I suppose works out okay most nights. Munchies are common across the board, so for awhile it was McDonalds, but given our recent months experience in line cooking, we've taken to random kitchen experiments, some of which have turned out nicely!
Anyway, off topic, but yes, I see where you're coming from.
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Cool man you found yourself a partner. See, I knew you could be happy with someone :)
Good job man ;)
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#41
 2008-10-05, 11:43
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Stoners play stupid because stupid people seem funny and cool when your stoned. That and it takes too much effort to think when your stoned.
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#42
 2008-10-05, 12:54
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
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Originally Posted by MrSparkle
Stoners play stupid because stupid people seem funny and cool when your stoned. That and it takes too much effort to think when your stoned.
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Nah, they are actually just fucking stupid...
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#43
 2008-10-05, 22:05
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Re: Stoners...why they're so dumb [my theory]
Hmm you say it's not the cause and than say you try to only limit it too nighttime? no lie pot makes things a little distorted and fogs your mind having gone on and off since I was 12 sometimes smoking so heavily i'd wake up and find the cereal in the refrigerator
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