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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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# 1

2008-09-12, 04:33
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Your Opinion on selling RCs
I have more 2ce than I think is practical for just me and my two friends to use, and I considered maybe selling some expensive doses to people. After fantasizing about how succesful and profitable that could be, I realized that it probably wouldnt end well. I dont want to be responsible for my state banning RCs. And selling psychedelics in that manner doesn't seem right.
I thought maybe doing it with a more recreational substance, but decided it was just really irresponsible.
Opinions?
Also, any good stories about 2ce?
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# 2

2008-09-12, 04:56
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San Diego, CA
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by w_s_t
I have more 2ce than I think is practical for just me and my two friends to use, and I considered maybe selling some expensive doses to people. After fantasizing about how succesful and profitable that could be, I realized that it probably wouldnt end well. I dont want to be responsible for my state banning RCs. And selling psychedelics in that manner doesn't seem right.
I thought maybe doing it with a more recreational substance, but decided it was just really irresponsible.
Opinions?
Also, any good stories about 2ce?
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If you do sell it, sell only in doses unless your customer knows their shit..
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# 3

2008-09-12, 05:27
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
Try snorting some. It's supposed to be painful as fuck, but I guess I have severe scarring because I was the only one out of like twenty people who wasn't crying like a bitch.
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# 4

2008-09-12, 05:31
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
I would only sell it to people who have experience with other psychedelics, and also have prior knowledge of research chemicals. Selling it to kids who just want to get fucked up on something wouldn't be right.
A high school student in my town started selling RCs about two years ago. Words like 2c-b, DOC, foxy, and even 4-ho-dipt became common terms among drug users at my school. It was weird as hell, as I had become interested in research chemicals years prior.
Several kids melted themselves, including one retard that took DOI several times a week for an entire summer. Another kid took three "hits" of DOC and ended up in the hospital. Couple kids got arrested with the shit and the cops had no idea wtf it was. Apparently someone spilled the beans, because the DEA raided the kids house one day last spring. They found over 1000 hits of assorted RCs. I'd have to get back to you on his exact sentence, but I'm pretty sure he's locked up for a good portion of his life.
tldr; stupid kids take RCs, stupid kids melt themselves and get arrested, you get arrested.
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# 5

2008-09-12, 06:11
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
The most obvious problem (which has already been mentioned) is worrying about the kidiots ratting you out if they fuck up because they don't know their shit...which believe me..WILL happen. Only sell to people intelligent enough to survive Darwin's wrath to keep yourself and your users safe. Don't make a habit of it because (as you are aware) that would be a good way to end up sabotaging RCs in your state and raising awareness around the country. Other than that doing it once in a while shouldn't be a big deal and may earn you a nice profit.
Good luck dude.
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# 6

2008-09-12, 08:05
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by stupid noob
Try snorting some. It's supposed to be painful as fuck, but I guess I have severe scarring because I was the only one out of like twenty people who wasn't crying like a bitch.
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You do realize, how much more potent it is when insuflated?
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OP, I have strong convictions about selling shit to people that they neither know, nor can handle.
Please dont FUCKING sell to people who don't use drugs. 
Watch out for those people, who will have a loud mouth, about how much they were tripping on your "acid".
Dont go over 20mg per sold dose.
When measuring other people's doses dont become a fucking lazy dick!
Measure out people's doses, as carefully, as you would measure out yours.
I suggest that you dont deal with spreading RC's, for your own safety, and the safety of others.
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# 7

2008-09-12, 09:21
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
If you did want to sell it, I would recommend you both weigh out an accurate dose for them and provide a safe place for them to trip. If you are their trip sitter, you will be able to make sure they don't do anything stupid, and they won't get in a situation where you end up getting ratted out.
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# 8

2008-09-12, 09:52
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by Aerogone
You do realize, how much more potent it is when insuflated?
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Did you forget who you were talking to? The potency difference in snorting one to two doses is not enough to cause any real problems. Besides, he knows what he is in for, a stronger trip won't bother him. Besides, it's not even that great anyway. It's something to try, but fuck, after my first time snorting 30mg I felt it wasn't enough. Then again I'm not a little cry baby bitch.
Not saying you are, but it seems many people simply can't handle their psychedelics.
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# 9

2008-09-12, 10:04
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under a thick cannabinoid fog
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by happyonehitter
If you did want to sell it, I would recommend you both weigh out an accurate dose for them and provide a safe place for them to trip. If you are their trip sitter, you will be able to make sure they don't do anything stupid, and they won't get in a situation where you end up getting ratted out.
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On that note make sure you don't sell to people you don't enjoy the company of.
For one it can lead to a bad trip for you and two you can quickly develop a distaste for it, especially the less recreational RC's.
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# 10

2008-09-13, 06:01
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
In my area(Ft Lauderdale) there are already a few individuals selling 2C-I though it is rare. Also there is "acid" going around that is actually blotter with a DO* chemical on it, among those that can tell the differance between the real acid and this DO* blotter(but of course don't actually know what it is, they just know it's different) the DO* is called "LOI" especially in the rave scene.
Just be careful and don't sell to dumbasses/kidiots or people who might spread the word too much among the wrong people. Basically if you think they might OD and tell the hospital about it or get busted and rat don't sell to them cause with all the idiots in the drug scene if you don't use your discretion this will become common because not only are they idiots that don't know the details of the drugs they take but this is a new(to the streets) drug that they have absolutely no reference on not even those stupid word of mouth rumors to go by. And if it becomes common it will draw the wrong kind of attention. Hell if one dumb kid decides to take 20 of them and ends up in the hospital/dead and his mom someone figures out he took some new designer drug called "2C-E" it'll hit the news so fast with the shrieking mother and then....you know the rest.
By all means go for it just be selective and make sure your customers understand at least something about it and make it clear what the consequences will be to them if they fuck up and then bring the chemical name or your name into it.
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# 11

2008-09-13, 06:09
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by w_s_t
I have more 2ce than I think is practical for just me and my two friends to use, and I considered maybe selling some expensive doses to people. After fantasizing about how succesful and profitable that could be, I realized that it probably wouldnt end well. I dont want to be responsible for my state banning RCs. And selling psychedelics in that manner doesn't seem right.
I thought maybe doing it with a more recreational substance, but decided it was just really irresponsible.
Opinions?
Also, any good stories about 2ce?
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When I bought my first gram of 2c-e (100-66 doses (10-15mg) I thought to myself "OMG I'm going to be rich!"
I quickly realized that about 80% of drug users DO NOT know what 2c-e is. Another 80% of people that know/you teach what 2c-e is won't use it..because it is not normal/tested to be safe.
I started out giving all of my friends 2-3 hits of free 10mg. About half came back asking for more, half didn't. I had to keep asking them to help me sell it to other people, it took alot of effort on my part. I did earn back 3x my money probally, and ended up w/ flashbacks for a few weeks, but other then that it was a lot of effort.
I would usually make most of my money on one big sale a week, two if I was lucky. Like a hundread sac (15-20 hits depending on how many times they bought from you).
Tip: NEVER let them know how cheap you got it. Say you got it from someone who got it from some where..
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# 12

2008-09-13, 06:18
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by w_s_t
I have more 2ce than I think is practical for just me and my two friends to use...
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Aqquire a white robe, shave your head, and wander the earth turning on people who you feel are in a good position to continue their path of growth.
It will be win.
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# 13

2008-09-13, 07:24
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by JoePedo
Aqquire a white robe, shave your head, and wander the earth turning on people who you feel are in a good position to continue their path of growth.
It will be win.
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This.
except , instead of a white robe , get a trench coat and shades.
Take like 5 doses and go out and flash people acting crazy as fuck freaking them the fuck out.
this experience will be like a trip and have them re-think their lifes and why stuff like this has to happen to them.
b safe, never give ur real name to strangers, sell measured doses and let them know only 1 dose for a day unless they know their shit.
don't sell more then $50 worth at a time to strangers just in case you get robbed.
Good luck to you
you can email me as I have experience
ruggishbone AT gmail
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# 14

2008-09-14, 21:50
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Brooklyn Park MN
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
Thanks guys.
The plan:
Only sell to people that have:
1. Been informed of 2ce previously
or
2. Are familiar with psychedelics
I will sell it in liquid doses, about 12mg I'd assume would be safe right? Or maybe 6mg doses so if someone wants to have a common dose, take two, or if they want a strong dose, take 3.
I won't be "dealing" it the way the neighborhood bud buddy would, but just offering it to a select few individuals at a price.
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# 15

2008-09-15, 00:12
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San Diego, CA
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
Is selling RCs technically legal or what?
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# 16

2008-09-15, 01:40
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Moderator
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Connecticut
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by Stoned Snippy..
Is selling RCs technically legal or what?
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nope. its not.
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the road of excess leads to the palace of madness
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# 17

2008-09-15, 01:52
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now it's nineteen eighty-four
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
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Originally Posted by w_s_t
Thanks guys.
The plan:
Only sell to people that have:
1. Been informed of 2ce previously
or
2. Are familiar with psychedelics
I will sell it in liquid doses, about 12mg I'd assume would be safe right? Or maybe 6mg doses so if someone wants to have a common dose, take two, or if they want a strong dose, take 3.
I won't be "dealing" it the way the neighborhood bud buddy would, but just offering it to a select few individuals at a price.
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sell it by the mg, set a price, let your customers select a dose based upon research...
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# 18

2008-09-15, 01:53
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Brooklyn Park MN
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
Yeah its pretty damn illegal. Its not scheduled but distributing it with intent to consume on their part will still get you fucked over.
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# 19

2008-09-15, 03:59
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
In my area word on blotters go around pretty quickly. with a single phone call just about anyone can find out whats around and who has it... Occasionally DOx chems roll through town.
Stupid people not knowing what they are getting into... is what happens when you pump alot of a new drug that no one knows about into a small place...
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# 20

2008-09-15, 04:45
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Over the Hills and Far Away.
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
The problem isn't the safety. It's that nobody will buy it. Well, you'll make bank if you sell it at a rave, and people will LOVE it, but you have to know people and they have to trust you. Business is going to be flip-flopy to- one week you will just go and one hour later you will have ~$300, but at another rave, people might just be scared about it. Most dumb bitches just want X, and given that nobody has heard of 2C-E, you're going to have to be selling it to them, they won't come to you.
So yeah
1. Sell at raves. 10mg doses is good. Only way you will make money.
2. You need at least two or three people with you who have tried it and love it(social facilitation yo)
3. Tell them to snort it and that it will burn uncontrollably for 10 minutes. If they aren't turned off by that, then I think they are good to go.
2C-E isn't that hard. It's on par with ecstacy IMO.
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#21
 2008-09-15, 05:17
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silverballs 
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
I will sell it in liquid doses, about 12mg I'd assume would be safe right? Or maybe 6mg doses so if someone wants to have a common dose, take two, or if they want a strong dose, take 3.
It all sounds good and moral and shit but, if possible avoid selling anything as a liquid unless you're selling in bulk, can find hundreds of little dose sized containers or you're willing to be host for your customers.
Also alot of chems degrade faster in solution ;)
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#22
 2008-09-15, 06:11
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Utah: Mountains, Mormons, Meth
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
nope. its not.
Not true for all RCs...
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dalt/5meo_dalt_law.shtml
...just most of them
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#23
 2008-09-15, 09:05
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cid 
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
Not true for all RCs...
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dalt/5meo_dalt_law.shtml
...just most of them
Even if it's unscheduled it's still not legal to sell it in a form that's going to be used for human consumption, such as weighed out in milligrams and put into capsules. Also theres also the possibility of getting prosecuted under the federal analog act because of similarities to scheduled substances.
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#24
 2008-09-15, 11:18
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
It all sounds good and moral and shit but, if possible avoid selling anything as a liquid unless you're selling in bulk, can find hundreds of little dose sized containers or you're willing to be host for your customers.
Also alot of chems degrade faster in solution ;)
um liquid is my only choice, I cant afford a mg scale. I heard if I use ethanol it stops bacteria growth, thats obvious but how much potency is this stuff gonna lose?
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#25
 2008-09-15, 14:17
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
^ I wouldn't expect 2-CE to lose much potency in solution. PEAs tend to be very stable.
Even if it's unscheduled it's still not legal to sell it in a form that's going to be used for human consumption, such as weighed out in milligrams and put into capsules.
Then don't put it into capsules. Jeez. Most RCs are sold by the bag anyway.
Oh, and you should learn to read:
5-MeO-DALT is uncontrolled in the United States. This means it is generally considered legal to buy, possess, and distribute (sell, trade or give).
Also theres also the possibility of getting prosecuted under the federal analog act because of similarities to scheduled substances.
Nope. 5-meo-DMT analogues are classified as 5-methoxy tryptamines with at least 1 N-alkyl substituent. Allyl isn't an alkyl group (neither is vinyl, isoallyll, isopropenyl, etc. :)), thus it is not covered by the analogue law (and coincidentally, neither are similar 5-esters. Don't believe me? Look up 4-Acetoxy DMT on erowid. Same principle applies with 4-O substituents [though I'm not sure if it applies to non-methyl alkyl ethers. Somebody want to help me out? I'd research it myself but I'm busy as shit. :(]. One interesting thing here though, is that unlike the N-substitutions, the 5-XO substituents actually increase in potency [and some say enjoyabililty] as the groups get larger. Shulgin even described the phenyl ether as a good idea  ). It's all about the phrasing of the law, which in this case simply means that if something on the N group isn't saturated then it's not an analogue. Shit, you could throw a phenyl on there and it would be totally legal. I would imagine there are at least another 30 combinations of totally legal and psychoactive tryptamine analogues just from the substituents I've described above. JP was right, pihkal and tihkal describe more possibilities than real chemicals.
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#26
 2008-09-15, 16:53
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Re: Your Opinion on selling RCs
nope. its not.
"now this isnt for human consumption billy, research purposes only... *wink*"
"uh DEA i never marketed any drugs to anyone, i told them it wasnt for human consumption, that's all i can really do... people will do what they will... "
probably less illegal than selling things that are schedule 1. not many people have been prosecuted under the analog act... and its grey area depending on how you misconstrue it...
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