What's the difference between Barbital(Barbituric Acid Derivative C8H12N2O3) and Barbital Sodium(Sodium Diethylbarbiturate NaC8H11N203)? Are the effects and dosage different? I've got half filled 100g bottles of each kind "For laboratory and manufacturing use only". Would it be safe to eyeball minute quantities for snorting or capping oral doses? How does this stuff compare to the newer benzos?

It is not a benzo it is a barbiturate. They are primarlily used to control seizures now. It is a sedativ hypnotic though also probably. I am unsure of the potency and if it is a longer or shorter acting halflife.

I'm brain dead at the moment but will try to help in the morning.

In the meantime don't fuck around with huge amounts of barbiturates and OD.

I'm hesitant to ingest any of that bulk Barbital since it's "for analytical use only" and I have no way to dose it. I've got a "barbiturate kit" with 50/100mg vials of assorted barbs too. Secobarbital and amobarbital were the ones I've tried from that kit, I made a tuinal from a couple vials. Any idea why a medical laboratory would have all those controlled substances? I was working demolition and I found them after cracking open a narcotics cabinet in a bankrupt lab/hospital.

for an anti convulsant or sedative hypnotic. Probably on rats or mice.

Be careful with that shit. Sound like you have enough to get dependant on the shit.

Lucky motherfucker.

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Barbital? Hell, I shave with that shit.



Wait, maybe thats Barbasol. Anyway, I'm not gonna call BS just yet, but how did you compound "Tuinal" if you know so little about the 'bitals'? These are not the kind of drugs you want to "mix a little of this with a little of that" with (not that you said you did it that way). Especially if you're asking if you can just "eyeball" doses. Or calling it a benzo. I think anyone with half a clue would be spot-on with the weights/measures on this stuff due to the nature of it being so dangerous with respect to the recreational dose ~vs~ lethal overdose being within a few milligrams (as Vilbe alluded to).

If you really have this stuff, and maybe you do, I'm not calling you a liar- proceed with caution! The line between fun and morgue is so very close. This shit dropped people like flies back in the '70's. Dead is forever.

OK, I don't know the OP, but this really stinks to hell. I know how funding can be to independant labs and the like. But a lab that carries a CII license? really? Instead of extrapolating back to account for the CII drugs on site, they just bulldoze the big ass locked CS vault?

Even if the fact that the 'bitals' are there because of "sloppy" logs, thats way way to much for it to be accidental. I think that much of a surplus would have long been siphoned off by the very lab personell who allowed the surplus to build in the first place. Not to mention, if it were a situation of the labfolk really not knowing what was onsite, hazmat got your back. And they definately would not leave without recovering the CS vault.

Sorry for the rant, but these are the most basic forensic questions that would checklisted in the situation. And EVERY CII licensed lab would be subjected to this from the DEA then the EPA when they are demolished/shut down. I have experience with at least a dozen of these situations. Also, I stayed in a Motel 6 last night.

Or, you have the fluke case where this shit happens.

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It wasn't a vault, just a steel cabinet. They left a lot of weird shit behind. I'm keeping the cyanide in case I have a rat problem. If the pacemaker was new it would make a great paperweight.

As for the barbital 200mg should be a safe initial dose right?