Eh, needles can be used good. I use them fine. If you're going to use needles, it's like anything; don't abuse the drug you're shooting and use clean equipment ALWAYS. You can get just as hooked on, say oxycontin by snorting them as you can shooting them. It's just a different method of administration that takes less time to circulate through your body than other methods.

What a completley ignorant statement, wow.

First off chances are that if your already shooting up your said drug, your already abusing it. Don't kid yourself there man

Second, it is much more easier to get hooked onto the needle then compared to snorting. You must me fucking kidding if you think that there is an equal chance that someone will get hooked if there snorting comparing to shooting, not even in the same league. Not even fucking close

And lastly, the reason why shooting up feels so much better is because of a quicker onset(not 'it takes less time to circulate' ), as your putting your said drug directly into your bloodstream to reach your CNS faster, that 'rush' that any iv user can attest to on this board. That rush is why most people who go to the needle stay on that needle, for that rush is uncomparable to any other route of administration. You will never get that rush if your snorting. Don't even try to compare the two

Your telling him (where it takes 20 mg's to make him nod) to shoot 8 mg's? Wow, great advice.

I'd say at the most shoot 4 mg's. Needles r bad!

Show me where i said anything about shooting it dumbass

He said in his original post he would be eating them


Next time i suggest you pull head out of ass before posting

Don't eat Hydromorphone period. Use a needle if you must, but you don't sound like you know how to work one or in a dire situation where one is necessary, but if you do go with 2mg's, you'll lose some in the rinse so your original IV estimate of 1.5mg is accurate.

Be very careful if you do IV, the rush on Hydromorphone is a good amount stronger than H, that's not my opinion that's my experience. I was really impressed with how powerful it was.

Don't IM it, don't skin pop it, either snort it or IV it. 4mg if your snort it, 2mg or less for IV.

Dude have you ever snorted the shit ^

Cause it sucks, he is going to need atleast 8mgs man

The opiate converter told him 7.5, i would say even a little more than that

I blew 16mgs of the shit the other day and was just a little sleepy

I've railed it a lot, yes. 20mg to me is bare minimum tolerance, though he might need more than 4mg to get high, he might not. I could take an 8 railed with a newb tolerance back in the day but i'd puke every time and have to pry my eyes open so I'm still goin with 4mg for testin the waters. I'm not tryin to get OP into an uncomfortable situation.

As for the 2mg for IV'in suggestion I really wouldn't exceed that, the rush *to me* is a lot stronger than H. I didn't get the chance to bang dilly until I'd been doin H for a year or so, I undershot my dose to be safe and it was one of those rushes where you gotta sit down because you feel like you're gonna fall, and that's hard to accomplish for me at least.

Seems like I'm not sensitive to it up the nose but I am when it's banged, maybe that's just how it is and it's not me, either way be careful.

20mg of Oxycodone isn't a whole lot in terms of tolerance. I would say I'm pretty much at the same place as you and sniffing hydromorphone at the 2mg - 4mg level does me fine. I mean, if you're sniffing, why not just start at about that level and then bump a bit more if it's not enough?

It does take a bit to kick into full gear though, give it about 15-25min.

Anyone have a bioavailability chart? I'd be interested in seeing one.

Anyone have a bioavailability chart? I'd be interested in seeing one.

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?p=9157282&postcount=4

I blew 18 mg about a month ago, and wastnt that high. I guese it was kus of tollerance. But then i blazed a spliff and i got soo fucked, never been so high off that shit. Id sugest do like 12 mg first time and blaze.

actually that IS your opinion. its not a fact thats for damn sure, im sure 75-80% of users at least would say the rush from heroin whoops the shit out of hydromorphone... and thats MY experience and my opinion.

Spell check for fucks sake.

Alright I'm not trying to flame anyone, but jesus christ.. I've seen at least eighty-six hydromorphone-oxycodone comparison threads in the past 5 months, and i havn't even been here for one of those months. they're all the fucking same. use the god damned search button you fucking useless noobs, and to the respected posters, don't dignify these topics with responses for fucks sakes. tell them to look up one of the older threads, and again, i'm not just trying to be a dick for the sake of being a dick..

I prefer to answer everyone, he doesn't have the same amount of experience, body weight, preferences as other people who've asked. I gave him my advice based on his personal situation.

I prefer to answer everyone, he doesn't have the same amount of experience, body weight, preferences as other people who've asked. I gave him my advice based on his personal situation.

Yeah that's cool man.. I wasn't trying to critisize you for helping him out or anything. Threads just get repeated SO often, it's just kind of annoying. no worries.

Yeah that's cool man.. I wasn't trying to critisize you for helping him out or anything. Threads just get repeated SO often, it's just kind of annoying. no worries.

what the hell happened to you?