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Old 2008-09-08, 01:33
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I am in AP Calculus BC which is pretty much like completing calc 1 and 2 with two periods this semester and one period next. I just really don't fucking understand it. It's not like I am stupid or anything, it frustrates the hell out of me to not be able to grasp what is going on. I don't understand the homework, which makes me not want to do it, then I don't understand the quizzes.

I have a decent grade in there as of now, I can still recover it. But I just need help, I need an easier way to understand calc.

Suggestions of how you got yourself through calc, or how you study or ANYTHING would be appreciated. THANKS
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Old 2008-09-08, 01:57
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You'd be better off posting specific problems. What about it don't you understand?
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Old 2008-09-08, 04:36
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If you can't even grasp basic high school calculous your not going to do well in university. You will be mediocure, get an average job, and live a boring life.
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Old 2008-09-08, 17:58
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What was your previous math class? How far are you into the course? What are you having trouble with? Like l33t-hax0r said, give us some specific problems or concepts you're having trouble with. There's certainly no shortage of people on totse who've completed high school calc.
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Old 2008-09-08, 23:47
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Like others have said, your best bet is posting specific problems or concepts you're struggling with. However, in terms of really understanding calculus, you should make you have a thorough understanding of what a function is. Not just a function is something involving x like x^2, but a real understanding of what they do and are. After that, become extremely familiar with the concept of limit, and how to employ it rigorously.

I only mention these two things because I think most teachers tend to breeze over these things because they think they are too abstract and won't help you take derivatives and integrals later on, but if you want to understand what you are doing later, understand these two things. Besides that, just post some problems you're having trouble with, because practice is the best route to learning calculus.
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Old 2008-09-09, 02:22
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Excuse me for my rant earlier I was just having trouble with my homework and I got frustrated.

My calc class is covering calc one and two AS THEY WOULD IN COLLEGE, and I shall receive college credit for both of the classes if I score a three or above on the AP exams.

I have completed math into Pre-Calc and I have completed science into physics.

As a senior I am enrolled in AP Clac BC (three periods per two semesters, covers calc 1 and 2) and AP Physics BC (three periods over two semesters, covers kinematics and electromagnetism also with AP exam at the end of the year).

On top of playing varsity football and also taking ENGLISH 4 and WORLD GEOGRAPHY, the other two are quite the task. English and GEO only matter because besides essays and advanced grammar both of those classes are mostly busywork.
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Old 2008-09-09, 16:24
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Go to bitch and moan

You're supposed to take AB before you take BC, dipshit. You should at least know how to take a derivative and find the area under a curve. then you have to learn u substitution, integration by parts, trigonometric integration, trigonometric substitution, etc.

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/

or wikipedia
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Old 2008-09-10, 00:27
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Go to bitch and moan

You're supposed to take AB before you take BC, dipshit.
No, the BC course is just slighlty more comprehensive and not a continuation of the AB course.
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Old 2008-09-10, 02:18
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Go to bitch and moan

You're supposed to take AB before you take BC, dipshit. You should at least know how to take a derivative and find the area under a curve. then you have to learn u substitution, integration by parts, trigonometric integration, trigonometric substitution, etc.

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/

or wikipedia
Before you flame me and make yourself look uninformed, Calculus BC is calc 1 and 2, and calc AB is just calc 1.

thank you for your input though!
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Old 2008-09-10, 16:50
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I was fortunate to have a really good teacher for maths.

Like others have said, post problems you have trouble with, and we can talk you through them.
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Old 2008-09-10, 19:36
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Go get a reference book, its called

The Calculus Lifesaver:
All the Tools You Need to Excel at Calculus
by
Adrian Banner

I swear this book is the reason I got two semesters of As in Calc I and II at Uni.

Also, though nowhere near as helpful, get Calculus for Dummies.
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Old 2008-09-10, 22:08
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Excuse me for my rant earlier I was just having trouble with my homework and I got frustrated.

My calc class is covering calc one and two AS THEY WOULD IN COLLEGE, and I shall receive college credit for both of the classes if I score a three or above on the AP exams.


Hey man I just started college coming straight out of high school. Class of 2008, to be exact. I can tell you with absolute certainty that they do not cover it "as they would in college". I would take AP classes in high school and I always remember them telling us that this is how it's taught in college. Absolute bullshit. College is much more difficult.
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Old 2008-09-11, 02:07
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Hey man I just started college coming straight out of high school. Class of 2008, to be exact. I can tell you with absolute certainty that they do not cover it "as they would in college". I would take AP classes in high school and I always remember them telling us that this is how it's taught in college. Absolute bullshit. College is much more difficult.

This is very true, considering you'll probably learn more material in half a year having class 3 times a week than you would in high school going to class 5 times a week for a whole year.
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Old 2008-09-13, 09:42
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You just have to be patient. You can not grasp it as easily as you have everything else. I felt the same way as you do. I always had As without much effort - Calculus was different. It took me time. You just need to read about the concept, read the examples, and then practice. If you do not understand the concept, look it up online. Chances are, if you spend two hours on a concept, you will understand it eventually.
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Old 2008-09-13, 09:46
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Hey man I just started college coming straight out of high school. Class of 2008, to be exact. I can tell you with absolute certainty that they do not cover it "as they would in college". I would take AP classes in high school and I always remember them telling us that this is how it's taught in college. Absolute bullshit. College is much more difficult.

Eh. Depends what college you go to. If you go to CC, well, self explanatory. But, if you passed your AP tests, how would you know anyway? I am just kidding. I would have to say they're roughly equal though(taking into account the time intervals they are taught in). And, you don't want to depress all these future college students!
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Old 2008-09-15, 19:21
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Vargv, post a problem that you don't understand the concept behind, or name a concept that you don't understand. Saying "teach me calculus" is too broad and none of us can help you. Do you need help with derivatives, integrals, series, sequences, fundamental theorem of calculus? You need to be specific.
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Old 2008-09-15, 19:39
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As a senior I am enrolled in AP Clac BC (three periods per two semesters, covers calc 1 and 2) and AP Physics BC (three periods over two semesters, covers kinematics and electromagnetism also with AP exam at the end of the year). I think I'm hot shit because I'm taking two AP classes



first off, there is no such thing as ap physics bc, its ap physics b or c. and i am taking both calc bc and physics c and both are really fucking easy. my friends that took both and are in engineering schools say that these ap classes are a fucking joke. so either man up or drop out and do my fucking landscaping
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Old 2008-09-16, 22:12
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first off, there is no such thing as ap physics bc, its ap physics b or c. and i am taking both calc bc and physics c and both are really fucking easy. my friends that took both and are in engineering schools say that these ap classes are a fucking joke. so either man up or drop out and do my fucking landscaping

What a douche.
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Old 2008-09-16, 22:52
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first off, there is no such thing as ap physics bc, its ap physics b or c. and i am taking both calc bc and physics c and both are really fucking easy. my friends that took both and are in engineering schools say that these ap classes are a fucking joke. so either man up or drop out and do my fucking landscaping

your gonna die to a flat piece of metal smart ass
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Old 2008-09-24, 09:48
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Originally Posted by Vargv
I am in AP Calculus BC which is pretty much like completing calc 1 and 2 with two periods this semester and one period next. I just really don't fucking understand it. It's not like I am stupid or anything, it frustrates the hell out of me to not be able to grasp what is going on. I don't understand the homework, which makes me not want to do it, then I don't understand the quizzes.

I have a decent grade in there as of now, I can still recover it. But I just need help, I need an easier way to understand calc.

Suggestions of how you got yourself through calc, or how you study or ANYTHING would be appreciated. THANKS


Dude may I recommend this, the best fucking book ever that made me get a 5 on the AP exam when I was in high school.

http://www.amazon.com/Humongous-Book-Calculus-Problems-People/dp/1592575129

You will not regret it.
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