http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/timetable.htm

I'm trying to see how long oxycodone and hydrocodone is detectable by urine toxicology tests....

is this table valid?

just cross reference it with other sites like erowid, and figure it out.

It looked alight from a quick glance. Couldn't find any gross obvious errors.

codeine being injectable.... sounds like a gross obvious error...

apparently hydrocodone has a lower mental dependence than codeine...

apparently codeine is commonly injected...

apparently hydrocodone is commonly known as 'dillies'...

apparently amphetamines arent snorted...

apparently mescaline has a moderate mental dependence...(that may be right i dunno much about mescaline)

doesnt look too legit to me with obvious errors

Most of those are pretty accurate, however everyone's metabolism is different so that'll definitely play a role in how quickly a drug is cleaned from your system.

apparently hydrocodone is commonly known as 'dillies'...

Yes, they're incorrect on that. Dilaudid is hydromorphone.

apparently amphetamines arent snorted...

It's probably the least common method of administration. A good deal of amphetamines aren't worth the pain they cause when snorted.

doesnt look too legit to me with obvious errors

They did make several mistakes, but as far as metabolic cleansing goes it's pretty accurate.

They did make several mistakes, but as far as metabolic cleansing goes it's pretty accurate.

yeah i dont know much about those columns but i wouldnt trust a source very much with those errors especially if it has a job or a parents trust on the line

Yes, they're incorrect on that. Dilaudid is hydromorphine.


Actually, and not to start a flame war or be a nit-picker, but D-I-L-A-U-D-I-D is the brand name for the generic H-Y-D-R-M-O-R-P-H-O-N-E, not P-H-I-N-E, just to be clear, just like with Opana, that is the brand name for oxymorPHONE, not oxymorPHINE :)

ONE.

EDIT: Forgot to add if wanting to know more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydromorphone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymorphone

One letter off, it was a fuckin typo. If you'll notice, i and o are right next to each other.

Fuck you :p

apparently mescaline has a moderate mental dependence...(that may be right i dunno much about mescaline)

No.

No.

You can't claim that. Some people can get mentally addicted to licking urinals, it depends on the person. Maybe you won't get mentally addicted to mescaline but that doesn't mean there isn't potential.

Some people get "caught in the rabbit hole," so to speak, and feel the need to see how far it goes. It's not mental dependence, more so a strong desire to see as much as they possibly can on a certain psyche.

You can't claim that. Some people can get mentally addicted to licking urinals, it depends on the person. Maybe you won't get mentally addicted to mescaline but that doesn't mean there isn't potential.

Don't play semantics with me, kid. You don't look any cooler for doing so.

Even so, there's no way mescaline has a "moderate" mental dependence. What horseshit.

Don't play semantics with me, kid. You don't look any cooler for doing so.

Even so, there's no way mescaline has a "moderate" mental dependence. What horseshit.

How the fuck do you know? I'm sure if I did some research I could find someone that was/is addicted to mescaline. Secondly, don't call me kid, seeing as how I could very well be older than you, and I can most likely kick your ass.

and I can most likely kick your ass.

Easy there, kiddo.

Easy there, kiddo.

I just find it annoying that someone would refer to me as 'kid' because I think mescaline has potential for addiction. The two don't correlate. He also threw in some shit about trying to look cool? Like wtf, that has nothing to do with anything. Maybe the fight comment was a bit much but I've have a bad day and I'm pisst off. I probably over reacted but I've got fighting on my mind right now. I wanna stomp someones face. (not directed at you nshanin, people have just been pissing me off all day)

How the fuck do you know? I'm sure if I did some research I could find someone that was/is addicted to mescaline. Secondly, don't call me kid, seeing as how I could very well be older than you, and I can most likely kick your ass.
I'm sure you could find someone on the earth that is addicted to mescaline. That doesn't make it "moderately" addictive. Your whole argument is flawed.

I just find it annoying that someone would refer to me as 'kid' because I think mescaline has potential for addiction. The two don't correlate.
But listen to what you're saying! The definition used by the site was obviously one of psychological addiction and mescaline has an unbelievably low potential for addiction of any sort. You can claim that mescaline has the potential for addiction (and it does, albeit a very small one and only to people that would have likely been addicted to something else regardless), but that doesn't get the conversation anywhere, and it wasn't your original argument either, you had agreed with the site that it showed a "moderate" risk of mental addiction, which flies in the face of everything known about mescaline and psychedelic PEAs in general.

There's a clear discontinuity between "moderate risk of mental addiction" and "OMG anybody can get 'mentally addicted' to anything!", and that was where you misinterpreted what I had to say.

He also threw in some shit about trying to look cool? Like wtf, that has nothing to do with anything. Maybe the fight comment was a bit much but I've have a bad day and I'm pisst off. I probably over reacted but I've got fighting on my mind right now. I wanna stomp someones face. (not directed at you nshanin, people have just been pissing me off all day)

Well I'm sorry that you feel that way (no sarcasm intended), but you should probably read what you say before you claim that I claimed that mescaline didn't have the potential for addiction. All I said is that it doesn't have a "moderate risk of mental addiction". That's it.

I still don't think mental addiction to mescaline would be that uncommon. I have never done mescaline, but personally I find shrooms mentally addicting. After I tried them for the first time, I bought 2 ounces the next week, all for myself. I was shrooming whenever possible. Now I wouldn't go so far as to say that I was dependent, but I could see how under the right circumstances something like that could become very habit forming. If I lived up north away from society and I had a shit ton of mescaline, and I got used to getting high very often, I would probably find it hard to stop using the drug. I would rather be tripping than sober. Like I said, I have never done mescaline so I don't know how similar it is but I could see myself becoming somewhat dependent on a drug like that. It depends on your personality.

Anyways this argument is based more on opinions then scientific fact and since neither of us can disprove the other lets just say it greatly varies from person to person.

This is how I feel.

Okay. But one final point of contention: "moderately" mentally addictive is bullshit. If this site goes on a continuum for all drugs then I think we could all agree that mescaline (and all pure psychedelics and hallucinogens in general) would be on the far lower end of the spectrum.

I find shrooms more addicting then alcohol, amphetamines, and a lot of other drugs that are considered very addictive. Maybe for you mescaline is the low end of the spectrum but I like to trip, and can really get into that vibe. I know others who feel the same too... So thats your opinion. Theres nothing wrong with it, but saying these drugs can't compare with others in terms of addiction is your opinion and not fact, which seems to be what your attempting to pass it off as.

Edit, for instance, I haven't done speed in months, yet I have a bottle of it sitting next to me. I'm not even tempted. However, if there were shrooms sitting on my desk, I would munch them down right now. http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/aliveupboy/DSCF9235.jpg

I find shrooms more addicting then alcohol, amphetamines, and a lot of other drugs that are considered very addictive. Maybe for you mescaline is the low end of the spectrum but I like to trip, and can really get into that vibe. I know others who feel the same too... So thats your opinion. Theres nothing wrong with it, but saying these drugs can't compare with others in terms of addiction is your opinion and not fact, which seems to be what your attempting to pass it off as.

Nobody's going to make an individualized food pyramid of drug addiction rates for individual personalities. The overwhelming majority of people who try mescaline do not get addicted, thus there is only a low rate because the non-addicts overwhelm the addicts by a large extent (I would imagine 20:1, reading from others' experiences). The website clearly didn't mean "mescaline is moderately addictive for your personality", which may or may not be true, I don't know; but rather it claimed that "mescaline is moderately addictive to the average user", which I think we can all agree is false. If you get addicted to mescaline you are definitely in the minority.

Nobody's going to make an individualized food pyramid of drug addiction rates for individual personalities. The overwhelming majority of people who try mescaline do not get addicted, thus there is only a low rate because the non-addicts overwhelm the addicts by a large extent (I would imagine 20:1, reading from others' experiences). The website clearly didn't mean "mescaline is moderately addictive for your personality", which may or may not be true, I don't know; but rather it claimed that "mescaline is moderately addictive to the average user", which I think we can all agree is false. If you get addicted to mescaline you are definitely in the minority.

Fair enough, I guess to the average person the chance of addiction is low.

This is how I feel.

i get that, but i dont take them time after time to see how far it goes... i take some, next time i take more... and so on and so forth just seeing how much fucking my mind can handle... probably the reason i didnt find salvia bad at all, having reality ripped to shreds is something i enjoy... God i wish DMT was around here, i want to try it...

i wouldnt call most psychs addictive at all, after a good trip im too worn out to want to try it again for at least a few weeks. curiosity killed the cat, but the satisfaction had it comming back.