I have tried suboxone before but it made me horribly sick, so sadly it isn't something that is going to help me.

Perhaps you were allergic to the Naloxone in the Suboxone. I would at least try and give it another shot, but try Subutex. Same active drug in both (Buprenorphine), but Subutex has no Naloxone in it.

There are A LOT of people out there (No percentage info available that I'm aware of) that are VERY SENSITIVE to the Naloxone is Suboxone, like myself for instance, even if I spit the shit out after I dissolve and hold it under my tongue a while, that Naloxone (100% bioavailable IV yes, but only 10% bioavailable orally so that shows how little it takes for one to get a reaction) that gets into my body is just enough to trigger a migraine. A lot of people report this as the most common side effect (Headaches), but it ranges anywhere from headaches, to swollen body parts, to vomitting, to just about anything else.

So please tell the doctor you went to for Suboxone the reaction you had and you want to stay clean so you want to try Subutex to see if it will make any difference at all, because the amount of people allergic or that get reactions to Buprenorphine alone are pretty much a very small number, like 1 in 100,000 if that, probably more.

So please at least try this, I can almost guarantee it was the Naloxone, as it was for me, because literally the day or two after I switched over to Subutex, there was no noticeable difference in anything but the disappearance of the side effects and headaches I was getting with Suboxone! It's DEFINITELY WORTH A TRY!

Take care and be safe! Have a great Labor Day weekend!

ONE.

yes I have been addicted. yes I did quit cold fucking turkey.


really, to what?

DTs can kill in long time opiate users and even then it is fairly rare.

actually, i was kinda hinting at benzo WDs causing death



and as far as buying suboxone off the street, its fucking retarded.

no, it really ist. if you have no insurace, its the better route to take.



if you think OP is gonna turn down H when it is right in front of him and he cant get suboxone, then you are the one who doesn't know shit about addiction.

if the guy is determined on quitting, and has been taking subs for awhile, he should have no problem waiting a few days, or finding another subox dealer. but only is he is truly determined too.



so in a nutshell fuck you

for what? pointing out flaws/stupidity in your post?

yeah it truly is possible for people to quick cold turkey. addiction is real and the length of its effect varies. but nevertheless, it doesn't last a life time if the addicted has a say. it depends on the person, really. if someone wants to stay a jackass the rest of their life, it's their choice.

yeah it truly is possible for people to quick cold turkey.

dont get me wrong, i never meant that it wasnt. i just meant, depending on the drug, that it can be extremely hard, and in some cases nearly impossible. in the end, it comes down to willpower, but sometimes it just isnt enough

^that's what i forgot to add in my first sentence lol. then it's good to make a thought out plan on how to ween off with a doctor or some type of specialist. but yeah dude, benzo/alcohol/opiate withdrawals get real nasty.

really, to what?
oxy



actually, i was kinda hinting at benzo WDs causing death

does not pertain to a post about opiates



no, it really ist. if you have no insurace, its the better route to take.

learn to spell, and to think. street dealer+addict=bad
pretty simple


if the guy is determined on quitting, and has been taking subs for awhile, he should have no problem waiting a few days, or finding another subox dealer. but only is he is truly determined too.

if he is truly determined too he doesnt need the subox, and if someone waves a bag of dope in his face he probably isnt going to say no



for what? pointing out flaws/stupidity in your post?

no, for being an idiot


does anyone else see the failure in having a junky scoring suboxone on the streets???

oxy

how much per day, and for how long?





does not pertain to a post about opiates


so what? it still relates to drugs, and i was just pointing out that quitting cold turkey isnt always the best way




learn to spell, and to think. street dealer+addict=bad
pretty simple


not if all he is buying is subox. if thats all he gets, does it really matter where its from? also, my spelling is fine for an internet forum, who cares if its perfect?





if he is truly determined too he doesnt need the subox, and if someone waves a bag of dope in his face he probably isnt going to say no


yes, but maybe he has enough willpower to use subox, but not enough to quit everything completly. wouldnt it still be better to go

opiate addiction>subox use>totally clean

than to

opiate addiction>nothing changes>death/still addicted

does anyone else see the failure in having a junky scoring suboxone on the streets???

That is what the options are around here so thAT step in itself is to better yourself

So it is not a total failure

There is no detox methadone/ suboxone program to even attempt to get on outside of major citys and a hour some drive every day to the proper treatment facilities

as far as my addiction goes, toward the end I was snorting 80+ a day for at least a year, sometimes going much higher if I had access to it. There is also the time I spent working up to that (about another year or so).

and as hard as you might try to deny it sending a junky out to score anything is a bad idea man, too much temptation. If OP has to have the suboxone (he doesn't) he should get it legit even if it means paying more, its worth it to be out of the game.

but in the long run most people I have seen truly beat addiction have gone cold turkey. lock yourself up until you are done detoxing then join a support group and start getting healthy again.

methadone/suboxone are just different addictions.

he wants to get clean.

I wasnt making uninformed posts, I wasnt being a dick.

I was simply stating from experience what has worked and what I have seen work.

That is what the options are around here so thAT step in itself is to better yourself

So it is not a total failure

There is no detox methadone/ suboxone program to even attempt to get on outside of major citys and a hour some drive every day to the proper treatment facilities

its too risky man, like I said I have seen more than one person try this and do alright for a while. then their guy doesn't have suboxone but he has H

at this point you have an opiate addict staring at a bag of junk with a dealer trying to talk him in to buying it.

It takes a whole lot more will power to say no in this situation than it does to lay in bed and man your way through your detox.

and after a proper bout of the DTs you think twice before putting yourself through that shit again.

Why would getting Suboxone off the street be considered a failure?

At least it shows your going in the right direction.

Its a shame the richest contry in the world cannot provide the medication its citizens require.

In the UK, my clinic provide Methadone, Subutex and Suboxone all for free at whatever dosages one requires.

I've seen you around alot these days and for a while you seemed to know your shit, the only problem is that your a raging asshole.

1. Not sure what you're referring to when you say I seemed to "know my shit", but I do like to believe I have a decent amount of smarts on the subject of psychopharmacology. You're probably just implying that because I don't agree with your opinion on something that I "don't know my shit", in which case, lulz on you.

2. I quite enjoy being a "raging asshole", and if I must accept that label whilst expressing my opinions in lieu of being fake for the sake of being some hunky-dory people-person, then so be it. If you're so sensitive about your problems in recovery that the 2 cents of some random jerk-off on the internet are enough to work you into some sort of temper tantrum, you need to get your priorities straightened.

fuck the clinic. it really comes to this easy question that you have to be brutally honest and blunt about. do you want to be clean?


first off, cold turkey even with a raging habit isn't going to give you DT's, it'll make you wish you had them instead...


second off, you've got to be a dumbshit to not try weening yourself down before detoxing. wtf do you think they try doing with methadone/suboxone? you just need an opiate and some willpower to want to be clean.

break your cell phone, loose your car keys, shack up a week, cut your ties with society and break on through to the otherside.

Im not an alcoholic so when I say DT I me DeTox. not delerium tremens

sorry for the mix up

as far as weening yourself off, some people may have too. Others don't. I have seen more success with those that don't

but I respect your post, it made sense. you told him to stay home and hide his car keys. :)

only an idiot would go to the street to score subox while trying to detox

only an idiot would go to the street to score subox while trying to detox

correction, only an idiot would get behind the wheel when withdrawing pretty bad..


tip: if your going to ween off dope, buy as much as you plan to need at once. this will keep you off the street, and kinda keep the purity realtively similar. last thing you need in a ween is a hot shot..

Yeah, AA can really help. I've seen it first hand. I hear NA has a lot of younger people who like to brag and its kinda like a totse dick measuring contest. But either way try both of them out, you have nothing to lose.

does anyone else see the failure in having a junky scoring suboxone on the streets???


Suboxone is obviously not the only way to quit opiate dependency. Sure if you can quit cold turkey go ahead, but for the other 95% suboxone can help. Think about it this way, if you can buy antihistamines off the street for a cheaper price than getting a script, why go through a doctor?

Listen to me when I say this, when I get Sobo's off the street to me it's not really a "score". (I have plenty of connects to get dope but I choose to get Sobo's instead.) A score is getting something I actually enjoy and get really high off of. People if you've never done opiates or Suboxone stop acting like you know!

SUBOXONE DOESN'T GET YOU HIGH LIKE HEROIN OR OXYCONTIN.

I will share my personal experience with everyone which I normally don't do but if it can help someone in this thread I will.

To paint a better picture of who I am and my background I'm actually a pretty bright guy. I wouldn't consider myself a genius but I've always been really smart. I have always worked a steady job since I was 13 and I'm 22 now. I have been going to school part time for the past two years so most of my spare time is consumed in homework and research papers. I'm actually going to school for Human Services so I know a great deal about drug use, abuse, and dependency. My knowledge extends (about substance abuse) more than just personal experience and drug forums. I was always against hard drugs until I was about 20 years old. I started experimenting with other things but I never really liked any of them. They either fucked me up to much or I felt guilty doing them.

Until I experienced OC. Nothing in the drug world would satisfy as much as this drug did, and yes I know why and how the drugs make me feel that way. I took a year's worth of college studying the brain and how drugs effect it so I don't need some smart ass telling me why I like opiates so much. I never shot up in my life but I started to inhale them through my nose by crushing them up. And like any other sob story it went from one or twice a week to everyday. Do I blame anyone else for my addiction? Absolutely not! Actually when I learned about methadone treatment in school(A couple months before things got really bad, when I actually did decide to go and try the methadone clinic I only went for about three weeks. I felt like I was addicted to methadone even more than I was addicted to OC and I quit cold turkey off the methadone. It was torture and that is why I don't suggest it, I didn't sleep for like 4 days and I started hallucinating from lack of sleep and I felt SO depressed, worse than I have ever felt in my life.)I was totally against it. I basically thought it was just a way for the government to legally sell drugs to junkies as "treatment". In a way I still feel that way, and thats actually another reason why I don't have a script for Sobo's.

Suboxone is for people that really want to quit opiates. If you want to get high legally everyday then the methadone clinic is perfect for you. But I cannot stress enough that Sobo's don't get you high like heroin or OC's.

EVENTUALLY PATIENTS ARE TO WEEN OFF OF THE SUBOXONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHAT NO ONE IS UNDERSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES IF YOU TAKE SOBO'S FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT QUITTING AND ARE JUST SWITCHING ONE ADDICTION TO ANOTHER.

BUT SWITCHING FROM HEROIN OR OC TO SOBO'S IS A BIG STEP IN RECOVERY.

The reason why many people are so against methadone or Sobo's is because they never ween their patients off. In my eyes (at least my local methadone clinic) they are corrupt money hungry ass holes that take advantage of peoples addictions.

But I will repeat, Suboxone is not meant to be taken FOREVER! Patients are supposed to ween off of the Suboxone. Their are also obvious safety reasons why doctors want patients to take a pharmaceutical as oppose to street dope.

1. Not sure what you're referring to when you say I seemed to "know my shit", but I do like to believe I have a decent amount of smarts on the subject of psychopharmacology. You're probably just implying that because I don't agree with your opinion on something that I "don't know my shit", in which case, lulz on you.

2. I quite enjoy being a "raging asshole", and if I must accept that label whilst expressing my opinions in lieu of being fake for the sake of being some hunky-dory people-person, then so be it. If you're so sensitive about your problems in recovery that the 2 cents of some random jerk-off on the internet are enough to work you into some sort of temper tantrum, you need to get your priorities straightened.


"You know your shit, you are just an asshole."

Can we both agree on this one?:)

break your cell phone, loose your car keys, shack up a week, cut your ties with society and break on through to the otherside.

Best advice.

suboxone isn't a cure, its a socailly acceptable way to be dependent and attempt to ween off...


theres a difference..

YES IF YOU TAKE SOBO'S FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT QUITTING AND ARE JUST SWITCHING ONE ADDICTION TO ANOTHER.

BUT SWITCHING FROM HEROIN OR OC TO SOBO'S IS A BIG STEP IN RECOVERY.


I agree whole-heartedly on this viewpoint of the matter.

As a "middle man" between dope and sobriety, subs are great. It's the people who are still taking 8 mg a day a year or two after being clean that irk me.

I feel the same way about using diazepam to ween alcoholics off the hooch. Then again, I know plenty of assholes in A.A. who walk around with a chip on their shoulder trying to be subtle as they brag about having 20 years of sobriety while meanwhile they've got a 120 count of Valium 10s chilling in the console of their Chevy.

Yeah, but put it this way.

I was a complete piece of shit fuck up - all I ever did was shoot dope, and run around Pittsburgh trying to score, ripping people off, getting ripped off, being sick, shooting more dope, sick again etc, etc.

Suboxone - while yes, if you want to be a complete uppity prick about it, IS transferring your addiction - think of it this way.

Taking Suboxone not only keeps you clean - but it adds stability to your life. No more struggling to cop, no more being a hopeless junkie fuck up. You can wake up, take your dose, get a job - and get going with your life. That's the entire point. When you're good and ready, ween off. End of story.

Just my 2 cents.

When you're good and ready, ween off. End of story.

You've got a good and valid point in what you said, but as far as this part goes, there's way too many ex-junkies who don't think they're "good and ready" to get off subs when it's been more than six months or even a year since they stopped using.

The whole point of bupe is to prevent the person from being dope sick so they don't have to deal with cramps/nausea/sweating/insomnia/anxiety at the same time as they're fighting off a nasty psychological addiction to the shit. It's not for the psychological aspect; that's going to be with you for life. The physical aspects of withdrawal, though, aren't.

Even post-acute-withdrawal syndrome only lasts 18 months at the most after the last use, and that's completely psychological.

I mean, if someone's a non-functioning junkie and their only M.O. is to be able to get through their days without dope, then bupe will work great for them. I think the whole thing that bothers me is that there are a good amount of bupe patients who are honestly deluded by doctors and clinics into believing that bupe is for long-term usage.

I mean shit, you don't see any magic pills for crack/meth/benzo/alcohol/barbiturate addicts to swallow as a way to deal with everyday life in lieu of developing some healthy coping mechanisms and a support system; and they still get sober.

I think the whole thing that bothers me is that there are a good amount of bupe patients who are honestly deluded by doctors and clinics into believing that bupe is for long-term usage


motherfucking this!

The whole point of bupe is to prevent the person from being dope sick so they don't have to deal with cramps/nausea/sweating/insomnia/anxiety at the same time as they're fighting off a nasty psychological addiction to the shit. It's not for the psychological aspect; that's going to be with you for life. The physical aspects of withdrawal, though, aren't.

Thing is (and I guess it's only with this guy) the doctor I go to for Bupe. treatment is very adamant about going to therapy once a week, as well as several meetings.

Some people, he will not treat UNLESS they go to X amount of meetings a week (bringing in a signed paper by the NA secretary). I think he's actually got a pretty good idea going. I hated meetings, but once I was "forced" to go, they grew on me, and I'm now very comfortable with them - and they help me quite a bit.

I'm no doctor, and not that my opinion matters, but every Suboxone dr. should propose/enforce the idea of meetings and therapy. They help ease the psychological part of addiction, which, in my opinion is the worst.

Once again, just my opinion. Everyone's different. But I feel that meetings/therapy genuinely help.