First off when i say supposed i dont mean HAS to i mean just if you want to.

So people always say things like God made weed Man made beer.
We have to eat. We dont have to smoke weed though.

My point is it seemed like man choose to smoke weed. Are we supposed to smoke weed?
Ahhh very hard to explain.

So how do we know that its ok to smoke weed? And lets say smoke tobacco?
Man came up with the idea of smoking things.

Does anybody understand this? Anybody have any views?
Im just curious about this topic...

"god" made datura... its still not a good idea to eat a bunch of it...

God put everything on this earth for us to use. Weed can be a great thing to use, and so can the cocoa leaf, but it isn't until we let our greed get in the way that things get bad.
I don't really think smoking pot is a bad thing unless it causes other habits or leads to other crimes/sins, or however you want to look at it.

Yep, I understand what you mean, I think about this kinda stuff while high all the time. I even made a topic sorta like this a while back...:

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2149471

Wow thanks a lot guys.
I see what each of you are saying.
And thanks sir for your topic. i am going to read it :)

THANKS :)

Who said god had anything to do with this?

man was made for one thing, diversifying his gene pool. the fact that we have a conscious doesn't mean there is a god, it just means that we're highly evolved. does a chimp have a god? the idea of 'god' is a fallacy. now that i've answered your question, let me say this. humans are not the only animals that like to get fucked up. i don't feel like citing anything but theres a tree in africa which has fruits that ferment and make alcohol. a bunch of animals feast on that shit. the thing i was watching showed drunk monkeys and giraffes

edit: it's obviously not ok to smoke things. it shortens ones life span, hence giving one less chances to speared his/her genes

I think you're reading too deeply into a cliched one-liner.

Also, unrelated to weed but, being on mushrooms is alot like being sick, which kinda makes me feel like they shouldn't be done even though I do them. That "i just ate a wild poisonous mushroom" feeling, plus cold sweats, sedation..it's kinda like having the flu with visuals and deeper thinking...which is why it shouldn't be done often.

Weed on the other hand, RELIEVES the nausea of shrooms (and in general) and basically has no side effects. So...I smoke weed every day :D

uhhh....yes?

the drug is the mushrooms defense system (duh). if an animal accidentally eats it once, it won't eat it again. i used to feel the same on shrooms, so now i'm on acid. i highly recommend it for both recreation and improving yourself as a person.

That "i just ate a wild poisonous mushroom" feeling

you sir are a fucking moron

Exactly, stupid fuckers don't realize that the government is your god fools.

you sir are a fucking moron

Jesus Christ, I just meant that it's an unnatural nauseous feeling. I have never eaten a poisonous or random mushroom from the ground, I know this is a bad idea. Chill the fuck out.

Exactly, stupid fuckers don't realize that the government is your god fools.

Don't know exactly what you mean by this..but if you mean the Govt. had a hand in creating marijuana...no.

Pot isn't only useful for smoking by the way. The pot plant is also used to make many products..ever hear of hemp? To the question of whether or not we were supposed to smoke it..I personally doubt it was put here (by whichever means it was that led to the growth of the plant) for the sole purpose to smoking. It's a kind of perk and it is possible to use it in a spiritual way..though not to the extent of things like Ayahuasca or Salvia.

Look at it like this though: When human beings hunted to survive they always used every part of the kill for something (mean for eating, skins for warmth/clothing, antlers and the like for weapons ect) so if you're going to use the plant to make rope or other products you might as well smoke the buds...that's not to say that every pothead sits and threads rope as they smoke up. Sinners.

My point is it seemed like man choose to smoke weed. Are we supposed to smoke weed?
Ahhh very hard to explain.

So how do we know that its ok to smoke weed? And lets say smoke tobacco?
Man came up with the idea of smoking things.

Does anybody understand this? Anybody have any views?

You're wandering around naked in the wilderness.

You see a plant. It is tall and leafy. It smells delicious, and tastes delicious. You eat it, and not only does it make you feel very good, but it's highly nutritious and nourishing for the body...

...

You're wandering around naked in the wilderness.

You see a plant. It is short and shrubby, with broad leaves. It smells unusual, and tastes like peppery ass. You immediately fall to the ground and puke your guts out from the nausea, while your ass explodes from the most painful gastrointestinal cramps of your life.

...

...which of these was meant to be consumed? I don't think it takes a rocket scientest...

You're wandering around naked in the wilderness.

You see a plant. It is tall and leafy. It smells delicious, and tastes delicious. You eat it, and not only does it make you feel very good, but it's highly nutritious and nourishing for the body...

...

You're wandering around naked in the wilderness.

You see a plant. It is short and shrubby, with broad leaves. It smells unusual, and tastes like peppery ass. You immediately fall to the ground and puke your guts out from the nausea, while your ass explodes from the most painful gastrointestinal cramps of your life.

...

...which of these was meant to be consumed? I don't think it takes a rocket scientest...

You fail at logic! :)

Are you 10 years old? Who is to decide what we should, and shouldn't do? You, fucking idiot.

You fail at logic! :)

Only slightly... but yes, functionality is not proof of intelligent design or intent, you're right. ;)

My answer's still the same either way, though. ;) Guess that 'puking' bit might piss off a few opiate fans, now that I think about it...

Only slightly... but yes, functionality is not proof of intelligent design or intent, you're right. ;)

My answer's still the same either way, though. ;) Guess that 'puking' bit might piss off a few opiate fans, now that I think about it...

Lol. I think the second plant was what gave people the idea for weight loss supplements.

I'd say it's more the way the plants responded to being eaten thousand/millions of years ago than any gods intention.

Much like the way man responded to his comfy pile of leaves erupting in flames, he could have waited for rain or he could forget his comfy leaves and play with the really hot pretty colours... eventually play led to uses and uses led on to more uses and smoking stuff to get off was one of them.

"god" gave us the tools we learned to use them

God has to be a living being.
God has to be a greater power than us and therefore larger.
Existence is infinite.
God is every living thing because living things are the only things which dictate the moving of existence.
God therefore did make beer and did make weed and you are not supposed to drink or smoke either of them but you can choose to because you have a free mind.

and thats exactly why you're an acolyte....

That is a round about philosophical question, that ends up in "What were we as human beings meant for/What is the meaning of our existence/What created us for this purpose"? Etc.

Living clean and following spiritual ideas/other outlets can feel as rewarding as getting high in a different way.

Getting high is often a short cut to another feeling.

You're wandering around naked in the wilderness.

You see a plant. It is tall and leafy. It smells delicious, and tastes delicious. You eat it, and not only does it make you feel very good, but it's highly nutritious and nourishing for the body...

...

You're wandering around naked in the wilderness.

You see a plant. It is short and shrubby, with broad leaves. It smells unusual, and tastes like peppery ass. You immediately fall to the ground and puke your guts out from the nausea, while your ass explodes from the most painful gastrointestinal cramps of your life.

...

...which of these was meant to be consumed? I don't think it takes a rocket scientest...

When using that train of logic, you are pointing only to eating. Man has to eat to survive, setting fire to things and inhaling the gas isn't something that just happens. You have to make it happen.

When using that train of logic, you are pointing only to eating. Man has to eat to survive, setting fire to things and inhaling the gas isn't something that just happens. You have to make it happen.

cave man finds dried up weed

cave man throws onto newly invented Fire™

cave man gets baked

Ah. They do say science is the new religion.

Nobody has ANY fucking proof of Darwin's idea of evolution. Not a SCRAP. It's simply the most believable theory. Before that dick came about and got laughed at by half the scientific community, God was the most believable theory.

Note: Theory of evolution. Not 'Evolution'. (Read: THEORY).

I'm not saying it's wrong. But I can't say it's right either, and neither can you.

Many people believe the fruit from the knowledge tree was an apple, but in truth it is... nah, I'm fucking with you. Do what you want. That is the gift of being human, and being able to choose what you want to consume. We have scientists to tell us what is truly bad for us, and then we have religions and governments to tell us what they think is bad for us.

Man should follow nature, nature's animals consume marijuana, meaning we can too.

Nobody has ANY fucking proof of Darwin's idea of evolution. Not a SCRAP.

Dinosaurs.

Or we can watch it in real time as bacteria and the like go from killing chickens to killing people.

I'm not that religious, but didn't humans get like free will from eating the apple? That would mean that humans are supposed to do anything they fucking please(except for explicitlly immoral stuff i guess).

When using that train of logic, you are pointing only to eating.

Y'know, nigga? When I consider putting anything into my body by any means, one of the first questions I like to ask myself is "so, exactly what would happen to me if I were to just eat some of this, really?"

Maybe you disagree. If so, enjoy huffing raid. However, since you want a more precise side-tangent...

setting fire to things and inhaling the gas isn't something that just happens.

Incense is found in cross-culturally - which, anthropologically, is considered proof that it is part of human nature which is intrinsic, rather than socially dependent. ;)

Incidentally - though unneccisarily to the case - the fact that it's usually associated with religious rituals suggests that it is specifically the setting fire to and inhaling of psychoactive substances which is intrinsic and cross-cultural.

:) Thar ya go. Have fun.

Wow a lot of talk here :)
Thanks for all the comments. :) :) :)
All of you have great thoughts

Just look at some kids playing. Spinning around to make themselves dizzy. Hanging upside down. Standing up fast and holding their breath to make the blood rush from their heads. They also seem to know to try and hide this type of play from adults

We have an inner craving or drive to get fucked up and experience other states of mind.

Kids don't naturally suffocate themselves. The body doesn't innately let you intentionally harm itself. Definitely some societal bullshit.

Furthermore, ponder this: In order for a conditioned response to occur we require a repeated stimulus- in this case positive/negative reinforcement- to stimulate and chemically condition reward pathways. However, by administering reinforcement, we are also simultaneously "nurturing". which invalidates the Nature hypothesis.

We don't have a natural craving for getting fucked up either. Just look at the 60's. Nobody even knew what the fuck LSD was until youth counterculture popularized it, yet people continued to live their lives normally and unaffected. We don't start out in life with pre-encoded information on what gets us fucked up. Ancient civilizations didn't discover beer because they wanted to get fucked up, they discovered it because it was potable water with a long shelf life.

Kids don't naturally suffocate themselves. The body doesn't innately let you intentionally harm itself. Definitely some societal bullshit.

Furthermore, ponder this: In order for a conditioned response to occur we require a repeated stimulus- in this case positive/negative reinforcement- to stimulate and chemically condition reward pathways. However, by administering reinforcement, we are also simultaneously "nurturing". which invalidates the Nature hypothesis.

We don't have a natural craving for getting fucked up either. Just look at the 60's. Nobody even knew what the fuck LSD was until youth counterculture popularized it, yet people continued to live their lives normally and unaffected. We don't start out in life with pre-encoded information on what gets us fucked up. Ancient civilizations didn't discover beer because they wanted to get fucked up, they discovered it because it was potable water with a long shelf life.

nonsense. the drive to get intoxicated is just as strong, if not stronger, than the desire to eat, drink, shit, sleep, mate, etc.

Furthermore, ponder this: In order for a conditioned response to occur we require a repeated stimulus- in this case positive/negative reinforcement- to stimulate and chemically condition reward pathways. However, by administering reinforcement, we are also simultaneously "nurturing". which invalidates the Nature hypothesis.

...except that being pleasantly high can be the reward stimulus... which is sort of the "nature" argument.

Ancient civilizations didn't discover beer because they wanted to get fucked up, they discovered it because it was potable water with a long shelf life.

Actually, they discovered beer because their non-alcoholic beverage... spoiled.

Whether they kept it for sanitary or recreational reasons is a different question. I vote "both."

Well all the cannabinoid receptors in the brain must be there for SOME reason... yes I think it's probably okay with God, I think he'd prefer we toke than drink...

God made weed Man made beer.

I have you mother fuckers SO god damn much it isn't even funny.

Then again, your probably part of the post adolescent teeny bopper brigade.

Was man supposed to smoke weed?

no it was the... uhhh.. fawns that were supposed to.

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