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 #1 
Old 2008-08-26, 16:49
King3x King3x is offline
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Default Probation?

So - I'm going to be on probation soon and can somebody explain to me how exactly it works?

Do I get tested every week or randomly or something else?

I'm not ready to stop smoking.
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Old 2008-08-26, 17:25
Jaykis Jaykis is offline
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well, depends on kind of probation. is it felony probation? or just sissy pants write-in misdemenor shit? if you have to go in and report every week (usually felonies) then yeah you should be prepared to piss every week. your PO should have already told you how often you have to report.
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Old 2008-08-26, 17:37
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Maybe you should ask the people who are putting you on probation and not people on the internet who know nothing about you and your case.

Was it this kind of logic that got you in trouble in the first place?
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Old 2008-08-26, 17:52
King3x King3x is offline
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The complaints haven't even come in through the mail yet, so as of now I haven't even been charged.

I got nailed with (juvenille) intent to distribute on a public park - 6 dubs.
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Old 2008-08-26, 18:05
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I'm not ready to stop smoking.

I'm guessing this could easily snowball into a much more serious problem if you can't man up and jump through the law's hoops.
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Old 2008-08-26, 18:12
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Maybe you should ask the people who are putting you on probation
^^ there is the answer ^^
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Old 2008-08-26, 18:25
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Your medicine cabinet
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I'm not ready to stop smoking.

I hear they don't smoke at all in county.
 #8 
Old 2008-08-27, 03:32
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Hawaii
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How does probation work?
After the initial hearing, you're given a list of terms & conditions to complete within a certain amount of time, either before or after the next hearing.

If you don't follow these terms and conditions, you will be given a probation violation, and will have another hearing where you discuss what you did wrong and your terms&conditions of probation will be modified.

You don't want to quit smoking?

You got charged with a drug possession charge?

At this point, it isn't up to you if you 'want' to keep smoking or not.

You fucked it up. You will be drug tested, and it doesn't matter when.

Now, you can't smoke... unless you want a probation violation for every dirty test you get and put up with the consequences.

Usually, a probation violation involves jail time, and you will be assigned to some rehab class after your jail time.

If you continue to fuck up and keep pissing dirty, you will not be 'assigned' to a rehab class, but you will be shipped off to a residential program + more jail time.

If you continue smoking, this is a lose/lose situation.

If you quit smoking, you're in a win/win situation.

Many people can smoke, but now that you are in the system, you can't smoke. That is something that people have a hard time realizing, and it fucks them up in the long run.

I'm sure you got a little taste of jail when you got locked up in the holding cell.
Trust me, it gets much worse.

If you continue smoking, you're in a downward spiral for failure of life.
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Old 2008-08-27, 03:41
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Oh, I'd just like to say one more thing.

The situation you've got yourself in, OP, has potential to be fucking horrible even though it seems like a minor bullshit possession charge.

You could either do things right, and you will be out of this shit in 3-5 months, or you could do things wrong...

And you'll be trying to play the system for the next 30 years of your fucked up life, in and out of jail.

This is how it begins.
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Old 2008-08-27, 04:35
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last thing you want is to screw up then end up back in court with a felony that follows you for life.
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Old 2008-08-27, 04:54
Achilles Armour Achilles Armour is offline
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I got six months informal probation for a felony grand theft. I got tested every probation meeting which was once a month. I always smoked the weekend after my drug test which was always on a friday. I get off in a week and will probably start blazing again. If you can't give up weed you're a bitch and will only end up in jail or addicted to harder drugs.
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Old 2008-08-27, 05:33
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If you can't give up weed you're a bitch and will only end up in jail or addicted to harder drugs.

Funny thing, is that's what ended up happening to me.
I was too young, stupid, and weak-minded to quit smoking weed.
But, I was a good person, doing well in life. Just smoking herb.

In turn, after I came to the conclusion that I need to do something because these violations and court dates were messing with my currently good life, I tried smoking methamphetamine, because it only stays in your system 3-5 days.

I was good for about a month or two of drug tests, quit smoking herb altogether for those few months and replaced smoking a joint with rolling the bowl.

Eventually, I got to the point where(the weak-minded person I am) I couldn't even clean my act up for 3-5 days before my drug tests. I got a few probation violations and short-term sentences, but on my scale the ice outweighed the law.

So, in turn, I disappeared from the law, and brought my meth habit to another level.

This lasted maybe a year when I finally had a slight realization that I can't go on running from the law after getting a hefty taste of what can happen when I get caught.
Not caught with dirty piss, but caught with crimes committed to support my meth habit.

I got clean for a few months, the court systems had faith in me that I've turned a new leaf, when suddenly my life went right down the drain again.

I disappeared from the law, yet again.. this time the scale was loaded with meth and the law was.. well, the law wasn't there.

I loved being the man. The money, the lifestyle, but most of all - blowing clouds. Life was great... Until i had another 'realization' that I cannot go on, hiding from the law.

After repeating this cycle many times(clean, trust, faith; relapse. clean, trust, faith; relapse), being locked up, going through all the different rehabilitation facilities in the state, my latest 'realization' has somewhat set me straight.

Clean and sober 3 months. Not even alcohol.
Attending AA meetings and looking good in the law's eyes.

My next court date will be sentencing for another crime committed back while I was still smoking. 2 felonies and some trespassing charges, all in one hearing - ontop of all my other cases, violations, and bullshit like that. I'm facing time.

This is when I usually relapse again and disappear.

But this time is different.

I learn in AA, that thinking things will change but still keeping the same habits while expecting to be clean means insanity.

So I'm changing everything.

All because of the attitude I had in the beginning:

"All I'm doing is smoking herb... I'm not ready to quit yet"

Let the downward spiral begin!
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Old 2008-08-27, 05:44
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You dont get tested randomly, at least I don't. They should have explained it to you, or read on your order. Kind of stupid to rely on totse where if you fuck up once, or someone gives you bad information you spend the rest of your probation in jail, isn't it?

I would only get drug tested if they had reasonable cause. And just don't cause a ruckus, don't draw attention to you self, and you'll be fine.
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Old 2008-08-27, 05:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueBudSmoker
You dont get tested randomly, at least I don't. They should have explained it to you, or read on your order. Kind of stupid to rely on totse where if you fuck up once, or someone gives you bad information you spend the rest of your probation in jail, isn't it?

I would only get drug tested if they had reasonable cause. And just don't cause a ruckus, don't draw attention to you self, and you'll be fine.


A reasonable cause for drug testing is possession of marijuana.
The charge in which he was given.
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Old 2008-08-27, 05:53
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Long Post above

Maybe with all the progress you're making and given the chance to prove that to a judge you may get a much
more lenient sentence...but it may be a shot in the dark.

It's good to hear about your progress man, 3 months is like years to someone who has had the kind of problems you were/are dealing with in the past..one hell of an accomplishment. Keep it up dude. If you've gone this long staying sober will only become easier.

Once an addict always an addict...but i'm sure you know that better than most that post here.
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Old 2008-08-27, 06:27
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This depends on your state, whether or not you are on full probation and how cool or not your PO is.

I am on full probo in California and it works like this:

Come in to the PO's office every 2 weeks. He urine tests me 90% of the time. He comes to my house once every 2 months and searches my room but NOTHING else not even my bathroom because it is semi-communal.

My GFs probo works like this:

Goes into the POs office every 3-5 weeks, urine tested 5% of the time, mouth swabbed 25% of the time, 70% of NOT drug tested.. He has came to her house two times but only searched it once.

I've been arrested w/ drugs and he went through my text messages which pretty much indicated that i sold drugs. I've had multiple "diluted" urine tests.

She hasn't been arrested and hasn't had one bad or diluted test.



At first my PO only drug tested me 2/4 times, then he gave me a 3 weeker but I was rolled so I fucked myself over.


Don't get arrested and you will be fine.

The very worst it can get is comming in 2x a week and drug tested twice a week. They can force AA meetings on you.

Oh, workservice!

I don't have any but alot of kids (including my gf) have work service which is a fucking bust. Every saturday and sunday they work for 8 hours from 7-3 doing madd hard community service, they can not talk and they get fully searched everytime.



So - I'm going to be on probation soon and can somebody explain to me how exactly it works?

Do I get tested every week or randomly or something else?

I'm not ready to stop smoking.
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Old 2008-08-27, 06:42
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The very worst it can get is comming in 2x a week and drug tested twice a week. They can force AA meetings on you.

Well, I don't know about that. The court systems can force anything upon you - residential in-house treatment and jail - for probation violation(dirty UA)...

Then after you do your time, coming in 2x a week with the 2x UA's...
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Old 2008-08-27, 06:50
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Well, I don't know about that. The court systems can force anything upon you - residential in-house treatment and jail - for probation violation(dirty UA)...

Then after you do your time, coming in 2x a week with the 2x UA's...

Well, yea that is obvious. I meant the worst they can do w/o incarcenation is dub/week.

And not the dub you are thinking about.

My PO told me that it would take 5 or 6 failed UAs to send me to incarcenation. My GFs PO actually allowed her friend to smoke pot and drink alcohol, but eventually sent her to inhouse because she kept fucking up for other drugs.
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Old 2008-08-27, 09:16
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A reasonable cause for drug testing is possession of marijuana.
The charge in which he was given.

What I mean is, if I went in to see my probation officer an I smelled like bud they could test me. Or if I walked in smelling like beer they could do a breathalyzer, and if I came up positive, I would spend the rest of my probation behind bars. That's how it works here in Alberta, for drug charges.

If I really wanted to fuck with them, I could quit smoking weed all together and one day walk in reaking of bud. They would test me and it would come up negative, there would be nothing they could do.
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Old 2008-08-27, 18:33
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Hawaii
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What I mean is, if I went in to see my probation officer an I smelled like bud they could test me.

Apparently over here, It's different.
You can walk in smelling like fucking roses and they'll test you...
A court hearing can be recessed if they haven't tested you, and they'll test you.
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Old 2008-08-27, 18:37
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Edmonton
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Apparently over here, It's different.
You can walk in smelling like fucking roses and they'll test you...
A court hearing can be recessed if they haven't tested you, and they'll test you.

Yea apparently if you pulled over the the cops smell bud in your car, even if they don't find any they can drug test you and charge you with DUI and take away your license. Pretty harsh laws down in the states.
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Old 2008-08-27, 18:51
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Yea apparently if you are pulled over the the cops smell bud in your car, even if they don't find any they can drug test you and charge you with DUI. Pretty harsh laws down in the states.

Well, that one's pretty clear-cut, though. Sure, a shitload of people drive fine (and some better than normal) on weed but there's others who don't and have no business driving high and ruin it for everyone else.

Best to drive sober anyways IMO. Some stimulants might be alright if you're not totally twacked but otherwise fuck it, wait until you can relax and enjoy your drugs.
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Old 2008-08-27, 20:12
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Edmonton
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Well, that one's pretty clear-cut, though. Sure, a shitload of people drive fine (and some better than normal) on weed but there's others who don't and have no business driving high and ruin it for everyone else.

Best to drive sober anyways IMO. Some stimulants might be alright if you're not totally twacked but otherwise fuck it, wait until you can relax and enjoy your drugs.

But even if it is found in your system, could have been from weeks prior and you would still get owned.

Delivering pizza I used to smoke weed quite a bit while i was working, it made my shift go by nicely.
 
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