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2008-08-24, 17:10
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Obama Sued in Federal Court
That's quite interesting, as expected the MSM has totally ignored this event, however on the 21st a prominent Philadelphia attorney close to Hillary Clinton has sued Obama arguing that he is ineligible to run for President.
What do you guys think about it? Will this case be thrown out by some judge or will it matter? The allegations are quite serious, I mean if what this attorney says it's true then Obama could actually be arrested for fraud.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=9920
Partial quote of the article:
"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.
Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.
Last edited by LuKaZz420; 2008-08-24 at 17:17.
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2008-08-24, 18:43
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
Yeah whatever.
McCain was born in Panama omgz.
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2008-08-24, 19:19
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
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Originally Posted by Shrike
Yeah whatever.
McCain was born in Panama omgz.
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It doesn't matter, he was born on US soil, US military bases like embassies are considered US territory, also both his parents were US citizens at that time.
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2008-08-24, 19:43
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
God damn it.
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2008-08-24, 19:45
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
Even if Obama was born in Kenya or something, his mother is American so I think he would still be an a natural born American. That wouldn't really matter though if he put a fake birth certificate up and lied to everyone about where he was born and what his name was.
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2008-08-24, 22:14
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
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Originally Posted by LuKaZz420
It doesn't matter, he was born on US soil, US military bases like embassies are considered US territory, also both his parents were US citizens at that time.
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yep, it's true. McCain is a US citizen through and through, which is more than can be said for muslim african obama
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2008-08-24, 22:41
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
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Originally Posted by Zman
Even if Obama was born in Kenya or something, his mother is American so I think he would still be an a natural born American. That wouldn't really matter though if he put a fake birth certificate up and lied to everyone about where he was born and what his name was.
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ummm. no. To be eligible to run for president you have to have been born in the United States, one of its embassies, one of its military bases, or some other place deemed US soil
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2008-08-24, 23:08
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
No you are an idiot. To become president you must be born to an american parent and they intern register you as a citizen at eather the embassy or back in the states.
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2008-08-25, 12:41
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
Check this out:
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Originally Posted by LuKaZz420
Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…
If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* .
In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen.
*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia.
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2008-08-25, 14:12
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Re: Obama Sued in Federal Court
Well, this is shocking, Hillary's supporters are suing. The Democratic party might fall apart afterward. The only thing I can say about the suit is it might keep him off the campaign trail for a while. So all I'm going to do is sit, wait and see.
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