Psychedelics aren't predictable. They wouldn't be nearly as appealing if they were.

As far as safety, they're all safe as long as you use them responsibly.

If you cant handle acid, stay away from mushrooms.

ugh just utter fucking opinionated stupidity. happens all the time!

Marijuana is a psychedelic, you're unlikely to lose control on it, and it is one of the safest ways to get fucked up there is.

describe your bad trip, also If I were you I really wouldn't try mushies. Do you have any underlying mental disorders or disorders that run in your family? like sqizto or bipolar?

my brother has been diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, ive had bouts of what i believe to be mental illness but havent been to the quacks (except after the bad trip many years ago - "drug induced psychosis" is on my medical records).

the bad trip was BAD, ive read many bad trips and only 1 or 2 have been on equal terms with what i experienced. to be honest i cant accurately describe it in everyday terms because it so far removed from everyday life. i wasnt seeing monsters or thinking i was dead, it was just fucking mental.

I'll try my best to describe it, bear in mind it was in 1992 lol! i dropped a single acid about 10pm with a good buddy of mine, we stay up all night having a good time just talking, laughing, watching things morph, it was cool...

then about 7am we are sitting in my car outside my house, im feeling a little tired and start to close my eyes. however everytime i close my eyes, within a few seconds im seeing matchstick men with evil pointy faces zooming in and out in my vision... this only happens when my eyes are closed. i get a little miffed at this but dont freak or anything.

then we go into my house and i decide to eat something, a piece of white bread. i chew it, then *try* to swallow... my swallow reflex has completely gone, i cannot swallow. the bread is chewed and in a small ball but for some reason the reflex gag has gone. Hmm i think now im getting a little edgy.

I decide to go into my back garden i remember sitting on my bench in the garden and looking up towards the shed... the shed is leaning right over, probably on a 45 degree angle. of course it wasnt leaning over, everything in my vision, atleast the inanimate objects, took this lean angle...wtf???

now im getting edgy, then from nowhere i get THE biggest fucking rush of intense panic, energy, fucking kaboom right up my back to the bottom of my neck my heart started racing so fast how i didnt have a cardiac i dont know. i get this overwhelming feeling to run and thats what i did....i just ran with a sense of fear and dread like what ive never experienced before or since or even come close. i honestly wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy.

as mentioned everything that didnt move took on this strange lean angle, i thought car headlights were watching me like eyes, that everyone knew i was having a bad trip. it was literally madness.

after several hours wondering around like a headless chicken i calmed down enough to lie down and the tiredness of no sleep overcome the panic to let me sleep.

i woke up thinking thank fuck im still alive however within seconds of waking up the feeling came back but at a lower intensity. this went on for several weeks, i seen a shrink who taught me relaxation techniques which helped alot. i had flashbacks, 2 or 3 seconds of that same instant fucked up feeling, for about 5 years, i didnt touch drugs again for over 10 and have been scared off acid for life :(.

if you've read all that you've got more patience than me lol sorry for rambling on. i loved the deep feeling acid gave but there is something in me which was awoken or aggravated. im sweating now just having gone through that in my head but it doesnt scare me like it used to thats why im considering psychaedelics again i'd like to face my demons if they are there.

tried it dude but didnt enjoy it. have hammered mdma and amp for the last 4-5 years off and on and thoroughly enjoyed it but i long for the introspection of lsd type drugs.

If your initial post still holds:



Then yes, DMT will do all that and more. It's pretty intense, but you'll be blasting off too quickly to have a bad trip.

another bonus of dmt, from what ive just read on wiki, is the short duration, so if it goes tits up atleast its over quickly. salvia might be an idea too... very short duration, works on different receptors to lsd et al.

another bonus of dmt, from what ive just read on wiki, is the short duration, so if it goes tits up atleast its over quickly. salvia might be an idea too... very short duration, works on different receptors to lsd et al.

True but sometimes on these kind of trips, time dilation is huge. A second in real time could feel like a year. Or time itself may lose all meaning.

ugh just utter fucking opinionated stupidity. happens all the time!

your a fucking faggot. I thought you died, come to america so I can kick the shit out of you.

tried it dude but didnt enjoy it. have hammered mdma and amp for the last 4-5 years off and on and thoroughly enjoyed it but i long for the introspection of lsd type drugs.

It's really starting to sound like you are stuck between fear and a craving. The only way to get that introspect that you want is to do what you fear. My opinion would be to slowly work your way back to acid with other psychedelics. I'd stop if anything along the way started to degrade what you've started to build back.

DXM is the most predictable mother fucking drug ever. I have done it A LOT. It doesnt even DO anything! I would reccomend it. It literally doesnt feel psychedelic at all, even at like 1200mg. Its just a massive body load.

lsd is fun

mescaline is more fun

assuming psilocybin is a mushroom??....this mans an idiot

the words safe and predictable usually arent used together with psychedelics, unless your saying they aren't safe and predictable...

dmt is predicable in the sense that your probably going to be catapulted into another reality... but the rush seems to scare alot of people...

all psychs have the potential to cause a bad trip, its just something you have to accept... the best way is to go into it with a good mindset in a good setting and not go past a dosage you will be comfortable with...

2C-B or 2C-I are both fairly safe as psychadelics go. Shorter duration than acid, and they push you into a postive mind space, as long as you're in a fairly positive setting.

I've never had a really bad trip on 2C-B ( the only psych that I have extensive experience/knowledge in). The closest I've had is getting very worried about having screwed up dosing a few times, but usually only on the come up, and once it's peaking, I'm all good

Know what you mean about the acid. and that feeling of intense panic ur talking about it totally consumes ya and puts you in another dimension feels like a psychadelic vaccum.

if it took u 5 years to overcome most of it i wouldnt go back to bonzo land.

now im getting edgy, then from nowhere i get THE biggest fucking rush of intense panic, energy, fucking kaboom right up my back to the bottom of my neck...blah blah.... i had flashbacks, 2 or 3 seconds of that same instant fucked up feeling, for about 5 years, i didnt touch drugs again for over 10 and have been scared off acid for life :(.

You god damn fucking pussy. You had one little panic attack, and your mom got scared and said...

Yeah.

The fact that you have panic attacks not only (a) is not a psychosis, you moron, it's a neurosis, and (b) has absolutely nothing to do with munching LSD, but... (c) is actually helped by munching psychedelics through downregulating various 5HT receptors.

FUCK.

Do you know how many (emo anorexic twelve year old girl) people get panic attacks from time to time?? Do you know how few of them have tried a single 'drug' in their life? 'n yet you get one little panic attack - which is not anywhere NEAR the criteria for a psychosis, btw - and immediately decide "ZO NOEZ TEH ACID MADE MES INSANEZ!!!ichi!!1!"

What next? "Heroin gives me lower back pain?" "I tried marijuana once and it gave me aids, the decades of barebacking in clubs had nothing to do with it?"

Fuck.

Congratulations. You occasionally have an emo anxiety disorder which has nothing to do with your drug use. Ironically, psychedelics can prevent it, though the road might be a bit rocky. You may, however, wish to take care of your glaring Munchausens at some point in your life.

Wake us when you take one hit and think you're a glass of orange juice. We'll link you to snopes.

aww common joe pedo why do you have to be so mean to him? poor guy he's just looking for some help, then you got to come in here with your big words and say those nasty things? Shame on you.

You god damn fucking pussy. You had one little panic attack, and your mom got scared and said...

Yeah.

The fact that you have panic attacks not only (a) is not a psychosis, you moron, it's a neurosis, and (b) has absolutely nothing to do with munching LSD, but... (c) is actually helped by munching psychedelics through downregulating various 5HT receptors.

FUCK.

Do you know how many (emo anorexic twelve year old girl) people get panic attacks from time to time?? Do you know how few of them have tried a single 'drug' in their life? 'n yet you get one little panic attack - which is not anywhere NEAR the criteria for a psychosis, btw - and immediately decide "ZO NOEZ TEH ACID MADE MES INSANEZ!!!ichi!!1!"

What next? "Heroin gives me lower back pain?" "I tried marijuana once and it gave me aids, the decades of barebacking in clubs had nothing to do with it?"

Fuck.

Congratulations. You occasionally have an emo anxiety disorder which has nothing to do with your drug use. Ironically, psychedelics can prevent it, though the road might be a bit rocky. You may, however, wish to take care of your glaring Munchausens at some point in your life.

Wake us when you take one hit and think you're a glass of orange juice. We'll link you to snopes.

who are you to judge anyone? you have sex with children!

who are you to judge anyone? you have sex with children!

And yet he still sounds like he knows way more than you

Psychadelics aren't predictable.

If you want a smooth trippy feeling just do some hash.

Shame on you.

This.

And yet he still sounds like he knows way more than you

he does. i'm sure hitler did too. that's not the point.

You god damn fucking pussy. You had one little panic attack, and your mom got scared and said...

Yeah.

The fact that you have panic attacks not only (a) is not a psychosis, you moron, it's a neurosis, and (b) has absolutely nothing to do with munching LSD, but... (c) is actually helped by munching psychedelics through downregulating various 5HT receptors.

FUCK.

Do you know how many (emo anorexic twelve year old girl) people get panic attacks from time to time?? Do you know how few of them have tried a single 'drug' in their life? 'n yet you get one little panic attack - which is not anywhere NEAR the criteria for a psychosis, btw - and immediately decide "ZO NOEZ TEH ACID MADE MES INSANEZ!!!ichi!!1!"

What next? "Heroin gives me lower back pain?" "I tried marijuana once and it gave me aids, the decades of barebacking in clubs had nothing to do with it?"

Fuck.

Congratulations. You occasionally have an emo anxiety disorder which has nothing to do with your drug use. Ironically, psychedelics can prevent it, though the road might be a bit rocky. You may, however, wish to take care of your glaring Munchausens at some point in your life.

Wake us when you take one hit and think you're a glass of orange juice. We'll link you to snopes.

LOL

Fuck you JoePedo! so the doctor was wrong saying it was a "drug induced PSYCHOSIS"?

Wow totse not only has your expert knowledge on all things lab related, it has your expert medical opinion too. You can diagnose over the internet and contradict expert medical opinion via the net too.

Wowsers lmao!!!

who are you to judge anyone? you have sex with children!

You've got to admit, why would anyone choose to have a username with pedo in it????? Rather strange...

But anyway...

Mr.Pedo, you are obviously a very intelligent person, but i didnt just have a panic attack. How many panic attacks that you know of last for nearly a month?

Y'know? When you phrase it like that, you might have a point.

who are you to judge anyone?

Well, you sort of answer yourself...

you have sex with children!

^^ that alone gives me the moral high ground against... anyone.

Of course, a truly astute reader would've probably noticed that there was no moral judgement in that post, but, well, that would take expectations of reading comprehension. 'n that, I suppose, would be too much to notice...

so the doctor was wrong saying it was a "drug induced PSYCHOSIS"?

Unless you have a very, very narrow list of symptoms you refuse to mention?

Absolutely. 'n you can thank your government for the misdiagnosis.

Wow totse not only has your expert knowledge on all things lab related, it... can... contradict expert medical opinion via the net too.

Nigga?

LT and BLTC do that all the time. No Gods. No masters. 'n we have every fucking right to critique our peers when they fuck up no matter what establishment they're part of.

You should dig out SN's posts on the pharmaceutical research process sometime...

You've got to admit, why would anyone choose to have a username with pedo in it?????

Simple.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6445/aocgandhiq21ut2.jpg

King noted that the evil that men do is often dwarfed by the vast majority of good people who do nothing. Therefore, conscience demands that I rep my pride and bang my shit.

All else would be falling short of a clean conscience; evil by inaction is no less vexing to one's late-night meditations than evil by action would be.

Mr.Pedo, you are obviously a very intelligent person, but i didnt just have a panic attack.

Can you add any other symptoms?

If not... yes. Yes you did.

If you can, you'll probably end up with "anxiety disorder comorbid with..."

How many panic attacks that you know of last for nearly a month?

Fairly common, actually.

Hell, those coming back from war zones often have panic attacks which last for... life...

Hell, those coming back from war zones often have panic attacks which last for... life...

And you don't think they catagorize as having mental problems? And those aren't just 'panic attacks', they're stress disorders.

The fact that you have panic attacks not only (a) is not a psychosis

"Psychosis - A general term for a state of mind in which thinking becomes irrational and/or disturbed. It refers primarily to delusions, hallucinations, and other severe thought disturbances."

I don't know about you, but when I get a panic attack, I'm pretty fucking delusional and irrational.

The difference between a neurosis and a psychosis is flimsy. I can easily see someone using the two interchangably, even someone you think would know their shit. Hes just going by what his doc told him.

Outsmart me, pl0x.

Edit: That being said, shit like that can feel worse than dying, but its all in your fucking head. Learn to take control your own mind and keep those fucking meds away, especially if you don't need them.

if you find some good legit 2ci try that. about25-30 mg will have u tripping hard without going insane
thats what i love abt 2ci. if something starts getting out of hand look at something else and ti will go away.
you see shit but you always know that what youre seeing isnt real allowing you to keep relatively in control

Outsmart me, pl0x.

No promises, but I'll see what I can do.

And you don't think they catagorize as having mental problems?

I absolutely think they categorize these disorders as mental illness! Read on, MacDuff!!

And those aren't just 'panic attacks', they're stress disorders.

...of which anxiety disorders are a major subset.

Stress disorders are NOT, however, usually categorized as schizophrenia... by any competent member of the profession, at least. 'n there's the difference...

"Psychosis - A general term for a state of mind in which thinking becomes irrational and/or disturbed. It refers primarily to delusions, hallucinations, and other severe thought disturbances."

Well, it's a bit more precise than that, but that's a general idea - severe cognitive process disturbance coupled with total break from reality.

I don't know about you, but when I get a panic attack, I'm pretty fucking delusional and irrational.

Do you see dragons chasing you? Do you hear voices from the CIA microchip that allows the satellites to control you?

Does the sentence "Sam Dram spooged, because the carpenter was huge," illustrate a fundamental truth about an international network which is plotting against you?

If "no," you have a stress disorder, not a psychotic break.

That being said, shit like that can feel worse than dying, but its all in your fucking head. Learn to take control your own mind...

^^ good idea. :)

Do you see dragons chasing you? Do you hear voices from the CIA microchip that allows the satellites to control you?

Does the sentence "Sam Dram spooged, because the carpenter was huge," illustrate a fundamental truth about an international network which is plotting against you?

Maybe.. :(

;)

What I was trying to say was that (from the way I see it) something a soldier would develop from combat, say PTSD, is evidently leaning more on the psychotic side than the neurotic, so I don't see why you would compared his anxiety attacks to that of a soldier.

Yeah, the come up is speedy shit, but otherwise Id say it's nice. Like speedy MDMA with visuals, not really as psychedelic as the novel tryptamines. I would recommend MDA or even just take half tabs of LSD.

But really, it's not the psychedelics that are messing you up. This is evident from the fact that LSD is taken out of your system in only a day or two. You claim that you were experiencing shit for months afterwards. That can't be the acid unless you actually continued to use after you began experiencing negative psychological effects.

That said, I'm going to have to say either genetics or poor body image/self esteem. Learn to take control of the mind through positive thinking, peace, and theoretical and mathematical manipulation/contemplation of your brain chemistry. It is possible to have much fun on psychedelics. Remember, the human brain has some pretty nifty safeguards and mechanisms to protect you from fucking your own body up(to a certain extent).

But really, it's not the psychedelics that are messing you up. This is evident from the fact that LSD is taken out of your system in only a day or two. You claim that you were experiencing shit for months afterwards. That can't be the acid unless you actually continued to use after you began experiencing negative psychological effects.

The acid probably didn't help, though. Even if there's none left in your system you could still have psychological effects from the experience, the same that you could have psychological effects from an intense or traumatizing experience not involving any drugs.

Yea I was gonna suggest some RC's like a 2C- or something. Ive heard those are trippy, but with MDMA goodness all cooked up into one chemical!!! :):):):)

2C-I or MDA would probably be your best bets for a smooth 'psychedelic' experience. Having said that, nothing about truly tapping into your subconscious, especially through psychedelic chemicals, will or should be predictable. It is the curious surprises and sporadic nature of a trip (and life in general) which makes things fun and exciting. Predictability is death to the vibrancy of a human mind and should be avoided, in my opinion. That would be like expecting some major spiritual revelation or learning experience from cocaine. It simply is not the right tool for the job.

edit: ketamine is also a superb choice for what you're after as it tends to disassociate you from the very fears and anxieties which you're worried about encountering while at the same time launching you in a very different viewpoint to examine yourself/life from. Google john lilly.

Jesus i didnt mean to start an argument about what constitutes a mental illlness, but i suppost all discussion is good :).

Note i was asked what experience i had, i didnt go "emo" lol!!

Pooter, nail, head etc... yes i believe i do have body image/self esteem issues, in fact i know this... and im not being all emo mr.pedo lol!!!

my knowledge on mental illness obviously isnt as great as some of you. in my own humble opinion the bad lsd trip induced a psychotic break. whether this is totally accurate i dont know, but what i do know it was FUCKING AWFUL lasting for nearly a month...panic attacks dont last nearly 1 month. no-one will belittle that experience and tell me it was nothing, it was not nothing. psychosis or neurosis...whatever...i went "nuts".

i have witnessed my brothers descent into a 5 year battle with paranoid schizophrenia. he did/does live in a reality different to 99% of people.

back to the original question lol.... thx for the suggestions. looks like some 2cx is on my shopping list, possibly some ket, wouldnt have a clue where to get mda so thats on the back burner. mr.pedo, it'd be nice if someone of your obvious knowledge might suggest a suitable drug for me to trip on?

i wouldnt dare risk half a tab of acid in case i dosed it wrong.

Smoke weed. Seriously.

Back on topic: MiPT.

MiPT is not a hallucinogen in that you will not have CEVs nor OEVs , you'll simply do some exploration of yourself--and as such it is a psychedelic, but most see it as very mild and easy to return from if necessary. Some have even compared it to low doses of MDMA, but with much more personal exploration, kinda like a hippieflip, I guess. Anyway, if you get the chance to buy some MiPT (email me if you need a vendor, but only OP ), do so and try some; it's very mild, a social drug, and not hallucinogenic in the least, which is probably what set you away from LSD.

EDIT: I would also recommend MDA or TMA-2 as you've had experiences with the amps and MDamps before (look them up in PiHKaL if you don't know the relationship), though I'd be far more careful with MDA; not only will it only give you a mild taste of what general psychs are like (whereas MiPT will give you much more), but it has far more of a potential for a bad trip than MiPT. Some users have had bad experiences with TMA-2, but if you stay off of stims for at least a few days and have proper set and setting, you should be fine, and then you'll be ready to progress to mescaline, which is less stimulating, and far more psychedelic, though still very familiar experientially. Or you could do similar things with MDA, progressing according to structure until you get to the non-methylated PEAs which tend to be purely psychedelic, though it will take longer and have far fewer intermediaries than there could have been had you done it through mescaline analogues.

Good luck.

cheers dude

ive taken literally 100's of E pills and lots of amp with no ill effects (apart from the obvious one's caused by abuse rather than safe use). i wonder if taking mdma before any psychedic might help.... mdma just makes me relaxed, without fail.

a vendor for mipt would be great : chris676693@yahoo.co.uk i will keep it to myself and will remember the favour.

off to google/read up on MiPT

Hate to say it but I agree with pedo. LSDpanic- you did just that. Took LSD and had a panic attack. The residual feelings you had over the next 2 months were not "drug induced psycosis" but rather and internal fear of the panic happening again. Which leaves you in a semi state of panic all the time. It is common acually. It happend to me-on drugs. Though I knew what was happening and by being aware of it, I was able to work throgh it emotionaly and the fear was gone. I now enjoy drugs and life even more than before. So clean your head-move on-(take drugs)-be happy. If all esle fails stick to the herb.
I knw I kant spel :)

i have witnessed my brothers descent into a 5 year battle with paranoid schizophrenia. he did/does live in a reality different to 99% of people.
/facepalm. WTF are you doing hallucinogens for???? Schizophrenia exhibits a largely genetic morbidity. Basic Mendelan genetics tell us that since your brother has schizo, theres a chance that you might get it to. You are going to respond similarly to any 5HT agonist, including psychedelic phenetylamines(maybe not MDRr 5-HT release drugs).
Mind expansion is possible without psychedelic drugs.

i had spatial and visual distortion for that month too, objects still appeared to be at an angle, car headlights made me para too.... is this typical of a prolonged panic attack? im no doctor dude, maybe it wasn't 'psychosis'.... but the indisputable fact is, my doctor entered "drug induced psychosis" on my medical records, dont blame me for trusting my doctor.

the part of your quote ive put in bold is bold-end for truth and significance.

/facepalm. WTF are you doing hallucinogens for???? Schizophrenia exhibits a largely genetic morbidity. Basic Mendelan genetics tell us that since your brother has schizo, theres a chance that you might get it to. You are going to respond similarly to any 5HT agonist, including psychedelic phenetylamines(maybe not MDRr 5-HT release drugs).
Mind expansion is possible without psychedelic drugs.

mind expansion is helped by certain drugs, plus i enjoy them lol!

my brothers schizophrenia was actually worsened by cannabis, not lsd or anything.

ive taken more mdma and amphetamine than i can remember, which didnt cause any schizophrenic symptoms in me..... only lsd has scared me.

if i try x psychedelic it'll be after LOADS of research into possible sides, at the minimum effective dose, and i will have some benzo's, possibly an anti-psychotic at hand if things go wrong. i've got abilify and risperidone freely available if i want them.

my grandma has paranoid schizophrenia like a bitch. I ate a bunch of acid and shrooms last year.

to the op i recommend mda.

on a side note, not to hijack this thread, but because this question is unworthy of a thread, ill ask it here, since its (kinda) related.

anyone ever read the book That Was Then, This is Now? well remember the character M+M? he tripped acid a few times and just got fucked up in the brain. they described it as he "lost his personality" or was never really quite "there."

what i wanna know is what exactly happened to him, medically? is this psychosis? i dont think so, because he wasnt "crazy" or delusional. was it neurosis?

i guess i have a lot of trouble grasping the meanings of both psychosis, and neurosis, as well as differentiating the two.

Damn, your shit is even stupider. That is clearly the artistic writting of a professional author. Did you expect dry scientific terms to be used to describe his condition? No. Have you even considered POV? They described it as he "lost his personality". Does that mean that every character in that book has taken Abnormal Psychology? I doubt it.
What happened to him isn't important(as the author would have included the diagnosis), what is important is the other characters observation that "he was not the same".
Science and Literature are two completely different subjects.

Damn, your shit is even stupider. That is clearly the artistic writting of a professional author. Did you expect dry scientific terms to be used to describe his condition? No. Have you even considered POV? They described it as he "lost his personality". Does that mean that every character in that book has taken Abnormal Psychology? I doubt it.
What happened to him isn't important(as the author would have included the diagnosis), what is important is the other characters observation that "he was not the same".
Science and Literature are two completely different subjects.

dude chill i was just wondering if he just had a bad trip and was shaken up or actually fucked in the head. i did consider all that shit i thought about this for a while and i asked a fucking question no need to get pissed.

anyone that isnt gonna get mad for absolutely no reason?

Mushrooms can give bad trips real easy, but you have to want to ingest a psychedelic to enjoy it. make sure your ready before you do it. if your mental mindset is negative your trip will be negative, i know this is common knowledge, but it should be stressed that only you can control what you feel. as much as the drug will guide you, you are still in control.

other than that the safest psychedelic would be salvia, its short lasting and hard to remember a bad trip, at least in my cases.

if you had a bad trip just ease yourself back into psychedelics . start with small doses of mushrooms maybe 1, 2 grams at most. get back into the groove of what it is to trip, then move to your acid. just take it slow and you should be fine.

dude chill i was just wondering if he just had a bad trip and was shaken up or actually fucked in the head. i did consider all that shit i thought about this for a while and i asked a fucking question no need to get pissed.

anyone that isnt gonna get mad for absolutely no reason?

No bro, I'm saying that there is no answer to your question. It's fiction. The author creatively made up a fictional condition to illustrate the author/character/audiences views on the effects of LSD.

And in reality, can one remain the same after consuming psychedelics? These substances definetely have the power to radically alter our schemas and perspectives.

bullshit

don't listen to this guy OP, he likes to fuck little kids... seriously

and he spends most of his time on totse talking about chemistry and how he likes to fuck little kids

... what a creep

No bro, I'm saying that there is no answer to your question. It's fiction. The author creatively made up a fictional condition to illustrate the author/character/audiences views on the effects of LSD.

And in reality, can one remain the same after consuming psychedelics? These substances definetely have the power to radically alter our schemas and perspectives.

i understand that s.e. hinton is not a doctor or an expert on drugs in any way. what i meant was that i have a very hard time understanding psychosis and neurosis, and i didnt know if that was a literary example of it or not. i had no clue thats why i asked.

Or, you could go for one of the mildest "psychedelics" (if it can even be called that) out there:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/coleus/coleus.shtml

Very easy to find, and you'll be lucky to get threshold effects, but if you want to ease yourself into it from the very beginning that's certainly an option.

don't listen to this guy OP, he likes to fuck little kids... seriously

and he spends most of his time on totse talking about chemistry and how he likes to fuck little kids

... what a creep

Pussy. ;)

p.s. Your "shocking revelations" were covered several posts back. Congratulations on making IWD your "totse tag team buddy" 'n all, but you're not telling the dude anything I didn't already straight-out tell him to his face - which you should've expected by now.

Your post came up short, and at least a day late.

i understand that s.e. hinton is not a doctor or an expert on drugs in any way. what i meant was that i have a very hard time understanding psychosis and neurosis...

While blunting of personality is considered to be one of the negative symptoms of schizophrenia, it does not (nor do any of the negative symptoms, while the positive symptoms of schizophrenia usually do) comprise a break with reality sufficient to be considered a psychosis.

Technically, even hallucinations do not rise to the level of psychosis, provided they do not interfere with a person's ability to interact with and think in what an outside observer unaware of the hallucination would consider a calm and rational manner. They're usually listed as psychotic, rather than neurotic, symptoms however, simply because most people when being chased down the street by an agressive polar bear will run like a bitch rather than sit around debating the plausibility of there being a polar bear - which, when there isn't a polar bear, would represent a break with reality.

The surest sign of psychosis is disordered thought process far beyond mere emotional disturbance. Think of the bizzare ramblings of the more extremely schizophrenic individuals on your local mass transit system, and how disturbingly much less sense (or maybe "more nonsense") they seem to make than, say, the nonsensical mumblings of the extremely drunk.

It's that disturbance of thought which most reliably creates a break with reality, and insures that the supplemental symptoms, such as hallucinations, or anxiety (e.g. "paranoid fantasies" et al, the fear comes before the rationalization)... are never successfully checked against any sense of realism.