I've been curious about this substance for a long time, and have decided to try making some myself. I'm not interested in this for recreational potential per se, as in I don't want to go out and party, but I'm not aiming for a spiritual experience either. It's curiosity, and a desire to experience something completely otherworldly.

Some background first. Flying ointment is the name given to the mix of herbs and plants that witches allegedly used to induce sensations of flying or other out of body, out of mind experiences. I'm not one for the witchcraft side of it, but the experience side interests me greatly. The most common referenced ingredients are plants of the Solanaceae family, which contain a wide range of psychoactive alkaloids, most importantly the tropane alkaloids. Datura contains some of them, which quite a few people here are familiar with. Other plants of the family include deadly nightshade/belladonna, angel's trumpets (brugmansia) and henbane, and other ingredients include monkshood/wolfsbane, mandrake root and fly agaric mushrooms.

That said, living in the modern world we have some benefits that weren't available to Medieval European witches, and so I'm planning on adding other ingredients which they'd be unable to procure. My list of potential candidates include cannabis, psilocybe mushrooms (the magic variety), DMT-containing herbs and plants used in brewing ayahuasca such as B. caapi, Psychotria viridis/carthagensis, mimosa bark and chaliponga (contains 5-MeO-DMT as well), opium poppy pods, possibly one or more plants of the Pilocarpus family and possibly dream herb (C. zacatechichi), which is used to induce vivid and memorable dreams. Yes, I had to copy-paste half the names. The other benefit is a wealth of information courtesy of the internet, which is going to be seriously beneficial because I'm not a lifelong herbalist and need to be as careful as possible.

A lot of these plants can be deadly in the wrong doses. The risk appears to be lessened when you're taking them transdermally (through the skin) rather than orally, but I don't want to take any risks. Any risks apart from actually trying this stuff, anyway. I'm posting the plans here because there are a lot of seasoned drug users, psychonauts and general fuck-ups on this forum, and with something like this I think the more advice I can get the better, even if most of the expertise here isn't really herbal.

For the base, I plan to use beeswax and almond or apricot oil, as well as some jasmine and lavender oil because they're used as relaxants. I like all the smells involved. The proportions recommended vary, so I'm gonna combine them a little at a time until I find a proportion that gives a good consistency. I'm aiming to make quite a lot of the base, for two reasons; one, I don't want the active ingredients to be too concentrated, and two, I want to save some and not use it all at once. I'm gonna make up a very small batch of the pure base first, just to make sure it smells nice (seems strange, but I want to be in the best possible frame of mind for this).

As for the ingredients, they've been selected for the psychoactive compounds they contain, which is kind of the point. Belladonna is one of the key ingredients, containing atropine, scopolamine and hyascyamine. I'm going to use the root, because the variation in the levels of tropane alkaloids is lower than in the leaves. Pilocarpus plants are a maybe because they contain pilocarpine, which is used as an antidote to belladonna poisoning. However, I don't know if they'll relieve all the effects or just the potentially dangerous ones, and I can't find specifics on whether or not that'll also counter the hallucinations and delirium. Brugmansia, datura and mandrake also contain various tropane alkaloids, atropine being common to all of them. B. caapi contains MAOIs (harmine/harmaline), which potentiate the action of the DMT which is found in the plants traditionally used in ayahuasca. Fly agaric mushrooms contain ibotenic acid, which converts to the psychoactive muscimol when dried. You know about cannabis and psilocybe mushrooms, and if you don't, you're probably not going to be able to help much. Opium/morphine from the poppies apparently helps to counter some of the negative side effects of the atropine and suchlike.

This combination should produce a completely delirious trip of 2-3 days. Experience reports on the various components describe various trips lasting 24-72 hours, and obviously there are other shorter-acting constituents too like the mushies and weed. I've discussed this with two close friends who have a lot of drug experience who would both be willing to take turns trip-sitting me and making sure I don't hurt myself or anything, and I'm lucky enough to have the kind of family that I could tell my exact intentions to and explain what's going to happen. I have a safe environment and before embarking on this journey I'd spend a lot of time making sure that everything dangerous would be out of the way, I'm planning on eating a large meal not long before I begin (not too large, but filling and nutritious, I figure I won't be eating when I'm tripping) and keeping large bottles of water everywhere around. Food, water, a safe, comfortable and trusted environment, and responsible people around who know what's going to happen; those seem like good prerequisites to me.

I'm aware that these trips are not enjoyable in the same sense that mushroom or good acid trips are. Trip reports of deadly nightshade and other atropine-containing plants in particular usually sound rather unsettling and confusing with people with missing eyes being a recurring theme for some reason, datura trips are all over the place (and usually very poorly remembered, so I'm not going to use a lot), ayahuasca trips are intense and deep, really sound like another state of consciousness... the combination should be interesting, hopefully. Does anyone have any experience with a combination of two or more of the drugs above? I'm not looking to enjoy myself so much as to have an experience I'll never forget, although obviously I'd like to appreciate it instead of freaking out or dying or something.

As for taking it, I'm first going to apply a small quantity to some sensitive skin like the forearm or inside of the elbow to see if there are any adverse reactions. After a day, if there aren't any (and as long as I'm not feeling off baseline from the little dab), I plan to apply the ointment to pulse points, other thin skin and the good ol' genitals. I'm not going to cover myself, but I'm going to apply a fair bit. I'll work out the amount I should apply after I know exactly what I've put in it, with some input from you guys.

I think that's everything. I'm aware that this is one huge post, but hopefully people with something intelligent to contribute will actually bother reading it. Save the TL;DRs, I already know. I want to get this right, so I'm hoping some of you can help. Suggestions, criticisms, advice on dosage, experiences, whatever. I want to hear from you.

And of course, a full and comprehensive trip report shall be compiled and posted for your perusal.

I don't have anything experience/knowledge-wise to contribute, but I say go for it. You seem like you have thought this out very well and you will have people there who will make sure nothing happens. If you do decide to try this, good luck. That's all I can say.

I haven't researched it, but you might def. want to think twice about mixing somthing as toxic as atropine with an maoi. also, I would check to make sure DMT will absorb through the skin and still be active.

just things to think about

Go for it!!!!

There's deadly nightshade, and there's black nightshade.

One contains the solanaceous tropanes. The other contains fuckloads of solanine, which in addition to also being as lethal as the muscarinic antagonists, will also counteract them and be counteracted by them, while leaving a clean, unopposed increase in nicotinic acetylcholine reception.

Know what you're doing before you step into a witches' brew.

I would call "tossing every psychoactive in a pot and hoping for luck" a very bad idea...

I'm glad you figured that part out.

Again, I'm glad you figured this out - but are you prepared for things like the delerium, the total retrograde amnesia, and the inability to focus your eyes for the next six months?

There's a lot more dangers than JUST being chased down a busy freeway by invisible people...

Suggestion : work until you know what ALL you're getting into in throwing yourself on a week-long datura vision.

Criticism : why the fuck are you trying to throw "just any drug I can find" into the pot at the START of your exploration?

Advice on dosage : smoke the leaf to get an idea of potency. After you've figured that out, divide the number of leaves by the number of portions of fat, and...

Experiences : I had no desire to go that deep with datura. The subdeleriant plateau was wisdom enough for me.

It can vary by individual plant and strain far more than one might expect.

Make sure your trip-sitters videotape everything for the highlight video. 'n don't worry, whatever else happens, they WON'T respect you after this, lol...

I'd not finished researching by a long way, and that list was just a list of potential ingredients. I've done more research and cut it down. More on that later.

JoePedo, as far as I'm aware deadly nightshade, Atropa belladonna, is what I want, and I can tell the plants apart without difficulty. Black nightshade doesn't grow around here anyway. As for dosage, I want this to be as much a trip into the complete unknown as possible. I'm going to take averages of doses from as many sources as possible, so I shouldn't be taking far too much or far too little of anything.

I'm aware of the possible medium/long-term side-effects. I wouldn't say I'm prepared for them exactly, but I don't think you can be prepared for something like that. The only thing I'd really be worried about is the cycloplegic effects, but I've not seen anything that says those can persist for maybe 3-4 days after the end of the experience at most. Thanks for your advice, by the way, you were one of the people I was hoping would respond to this thread, you know about fucking everything.

From what I've now gathered, muscimol and solanaceous alkaloids have very similar properties, but seeing as I can't really procure fly agaric easily (within the next day, anyway), I'm gonna leave it out. After reading up on interactions between MAOIs and pretty much everything (thanks, double dosed on sunshine) I've decided to leave out the B. caapi (harmine/harmaline), which means there's little point in including the plants containing DMT or 5-MeO-DMT, which I thought about again and realised was a ridiculously stupid idea anyway. The opium poppies are definitely staying in after further research; if the active dose of atropine or the other solanaceous alkaloids is greater than the corresponding active dose of opium/morphine then the deleriant and hallucinogenic properties of the alkaloids remain, but several of the negative side-effects (such as elevated heart and respiration rate and increased body temperature) are countered to some extent. Atropine and co. also counter some of the negative side-effects of the morphine, mostly shit like nausea.

I think the combination I'm going to go for is Atropa belladonna (deadly nightshade), mandrake root, opium poppy pods, psilocybin mushrooms, henbane (stinking nightshade), datura and cannabis. I've decided to omit poison hemlock because it can be fatal in much lower and less predictable doses than any of the other ingredients. The base will be a combination of pure natural beeswax and apricot oil. Far closer to true Medieval flying ointment than the prospective ingredients above, with the exception of the datura, mushies and weed. Those last two aren't really necessary since they're shorter-acting, but I figure it'll be interesting.

I need to acquire deadly nightshade (I'm going to use leaves for ease of collection), henbane and apricot oil. I'm going to get the two plant materials tomorrow morning, and the oil tomorrow afternoon. I've got everything else. The datura is in the form of Datura metel seeds which I'm going to loosely crush. The mandrake root I'm planning on grating. I'm planning on chopping the mushies fairly finely, crushing the poppy pods and giving the cannabis a slightly grind. I'm not crushing, chopping or grinding any of it too small because I want to be able to sieve out all of the miscellaneous plant material, which in turn is because I don't want to be using an ointment that contains little bits of mandrake or weed. I'm going to try to make the ointment thin enough to be able to pass it through a fine sieve, but thick enough that it's not runny or sloppy or anything.

Once I've got the oil tomorrow afternoon I'm going to start making the base and adding the ingredients. Advice is to keep the ointment over as low a heat as possible that'll keep it liquid, and let it simmer for a while. I'm thinking 24 hours will more than do the trick.

EDIT: Oh, and I plan on writing out a list of all the raw ingredients, their active ingredients and the exact doses administered in the ointment before I begin. I'll give it to my sitter, and if worst does come to worst (which it shouldn't) and an ambulance has to be called it'll let the paras know exactly what's happening. /EDIT

Any more thoughts?

Sounds like it would be fun, although I hear datura is anything but fun.

I seriously doubt it will be fun, but that's not what I'm aiming for. If anything, trips from tropane alkaloids sound more confusing and nightmarish than datura trips. I've never experienced anything like it before, and that's why I want to do it. I want as much variety of experience as possible.

One of the things I hope to bring out of this thread is a workable procedure, a safe doseage and a comprehensive report of the effects. Maybe someone else will be interested in it too.

shoot some ketamine if you wanna get out of ur body, or a thumbprint of acid.

Couldn't have said it better myself Joe! Excellently put! I always enjoy reading your posts, and to everyone else listen to what JoePedo has to say about EVERYTHING. Keep it real!