Dude, im a psych major and let me tell you these results do not prove that other peoples perception causes you to believe things.

Of course they don't. Do you believe that witnessing a falling apple proves the existence of gravity or apples?


The line experiment. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments)

Many of the test subjects testify that they actually witnessed two lines of equal length, and did not just go along with the majority. Bottom line is that conformity enforcers had tyrannized everything from visual processing to honest speech, revealing some of the mechanisms which wrap and seal a crowd in false belief.

Keep this in mind: reality is mostly memory. Right now you can see these words and the computer in front of you, the walls of the room around, but you believe that there is more to reality then just that; you have memory of much more. But that is all you have, memory.

The limbic system is the memory's gatekeeper and in a very real sense its creator. Interestingly, it is also an intense monitor of others, keeping track of what will earn their praises or blame. By using cues from those around us to fashion our perceptions and the so called facts which we retain, our limbic system gives the group a very large piece of the pie that shapes "reality".

In another study by Elizabeth Loftus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Loftus) test subjects watched a film of a car accident. Days later they were quizzed "How fast was the white sports care going when is passed the barn along the country road?". 17 percent were certain they had spotted a barn, even though there had been no buildings. In a related study using a film about a car being driven by a brunette, were later asked about the blond driver. Not only did people vividly remember a blond behind the wheel, they couldn't believe they were seeing the same footage when showed it again later on.

Another (http://www.google.com/search?q=faucheux%2C+C+%26+S+moscovici&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) series of experiments has shown just how deeply social suggestion can penetrate the neural mesh with which we think we experience a hard and fast reality. A roomful of test subjects with normal color vision would be shown blue slides. But one or two stooges in the room declared the slides green. Only 32 percent of test subjects would declare they witnessed green slides ... but immediately after subjects were shown blue-green slides and asked to rate them for blueness or greenness. Interestingly, even those who had a few minutes earlier refused to see green where there was none showed that the insistent stooges had colored their perceptions; they rated the new slides more green then pretests had indicated they would. More to the point, when asked to describe the color of the afterimage they saw, subjects reported red-purple; the afterimage left by green, not blue. Afterimages are not voluntary, they manufactured by the visual system. The words of just one or two determined speakers had penetrated the most intimate sanctions of the eye and brain.

I have much more to say about this which has to do with language, but I am tired. Words carry so much baggage, they carry the thoughts and ideas and motivations and alterations of billions of human beings who have passed them along. For now, all I will say is that this has a very strong impact on your individual perception.

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Go on, at some point.



edit: No, don't go on. Instead, please shut the fuck up for the following reason:

A smaller percentage admitted to thinking the lines did not look the same but were too afraid to say so in front of the group, and the remaining percentage were the people who were brave enough to say the lines looked different.



On the wikipedia page you linked it says:

A number of critiques have been levelled against Asch's experiment including a question of the motivation of students to be accurate. Rather than testing conformity, Asch's study may have simply measured an uninterested student's reluctance to engage in conflict to get the answer right.

What small percentage are you referring to exactly?

Days later they were quizzed "How fast was the white sports care going when is passed the barn along the country road?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_of_automobile_destruction

No such question is asked.



I should just delete this. Bark.

Of course they don't. Do you believe that witnessing a falling apple proves the existence of gravity or apples?


Explain this one to me.

Explain this one to me.

I think he's talking about causality and how there is no logical proof that gravity exists or that anything that has happened in the past will happen in the future, it could just be a random event or coincidence, regardless of how many times it appears consistent.

Our only reason to commit actions is because of past experiences, not reason.

no hes talking about the fact that the world is da matrix, and ours eyes are a virtual screen, duh.

It might. I had a placebo just yesterday. I made coffee or atleast i thought i did. Turned out that the machine didn't actually put any coffee in it it was just milk. I figured it out after a couple of sips but at firts it really tasted like coffee.

True story.

You get back pain because it is tensed up without you realizing, and hurts after you come down from the trip. Not placebo.

You could also just feel general discomfort there because you think the lsd is doing shit to it. Not necessarily an anticipatory subconscious muscle tensing.

You could also just feel general discomfort there because you think the lsd is doing shit to it. Not necessarily an anticipatory subconscious muscle tensing.
That's called being a jackass.

That's called being a jackass.

Still placebo effect...

You get back pain because it is tensed up without you realizing, and hurts after you come down from the trip. Not placebo.

I've always had the theory that people either go do crazy, physical things or sit in weird positions without thinking about it making them hurt.

I've always had the theory that people either go do crazy, physical things or sit in weird positions without thinking about it making them hurt.

I agree. They sit in weird tensed up positions. you and stupid mothafuckin NOOB are both correct!;) Although not everyone does that.

I agree. They sit in weird tensed up positions. you and stupid mothafuckin NOOB are both correct!;) Although not everyone does that.
You are lucky I clicked the wrong ban reason, or you WOULD have ten days off, but I fucked up. You keep that in mind next time you decide to spam LT.

I've seen it before. In like grade 8 this kid I know rolled grass in computer paper and told these dumb bitches it was a joint. Alas, they smoked it (or smoked it as well as wet grass will smoke...) and ran around for the next to hours laughing their asses off screaming about how wasted they were.

Ahhh the delightful high of placebo...

You are lucky I clicked the wrong ban reason, or you WOULD have ten days off, but I fucked up. You keep that in mind next time you decide to spam LT.

dude i wasn't spamming, it was a legit thread. i was doing it out of humor a slight bit though expecting lots of people to flame me, but i didn't think you would care. why would you?

back to topic...


how do you think drugs like SSRI's are sold and used, especially when the exact mode of action is unknown? sounds like a placebo effect in high gear to any educated person...

Just because the mode of action is unknown does not mean there is NO action. I can attest first hand that SNRIs (cymbalta specifically) have a very pronounced action, especially in the presence of meth or MDMA.


I could take that shit by itself for a few days, and by day three I feel like I am tripping my fucking BALLS off. Not a good trip though, just a surreal wtf is this kinda trip.