No, the government just wants us to be really safe, or it is because mother complained alot just like how m-80s got banned. Now before someone contradicts me, hemp will not get you high. My cousin, a botanist did his college thesis on hemp and cannabis, he proved in his paper that it will not get you high. For those wondering he got a B- for the paper.

What about the other countries that have marijuana banned? Are you saying DuPont lobbied them as well?

America and it's anglophone allies bullied the UN into making all it's members sign the despicable Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (1961), the Convention on Psychotropic Substances (1971) and the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances (1988).

As a result you have the current communist-nazi-jewish international laws whereby drugs are banned just about everywhere, regardless of democracy or common sense.

What about Jamaica and Amsterdam, isn't pot still legal in all of Jamaica and some parts of Amsterdam?

If that is true then why are they now making plastics out of corn?

Corn lobbyists.

It's why we're burning up a third of the corn we produce every year to produce what amounts to 17 days worth of fuel.

Corn lobbyists.

It's why we're burning up a third of the corn we produce every year to produce what amounts to 17 days worth of fuel.

17 days worth of fuel for every single application in the US, do you mean?

Also, IIRC, someone on the task force was someone else's son/nephew, possibly DuPont's.

Corn lobbyists.

It's why we're burning up a third of the corn we produce every year to produce what amounts to 17 days worth of fuel.

Yeah but the plastic made from corn is being made from parts left after food manufacturing.

contrary to popular belief weed is still illegal in jamaica to smoke grow or sell. and amsterdam is a city in the netherlands not it's own country

He got a B- because you can extract the thc and concentrate it.
Can can can.

He got a B- because you can extract the thc and concentrate it.
Can can can.

Have fun buying a fucking field load of hemp and nigger-rigging a chem lab

I'll just go to my friendly neighbourhood dealer and get some weed for $PRICE.

I would be disappointed if a company didn't do this when it was in their interests. Why wouldn't they? Wouldn't you if you were running the company? Why not?

Really the question is, were DuPont smart enough to do this. I believe, from what I've read about them, that they probably were.

Damn right. I'd not only be disappointed, but as a shareholder, I'd be pissed off if I knew that there was competition to one of our latest products, and the board was doing nothing to destroy it.

Hey, it works for the businesses.

People should be aware of things like this. Unfortunately, realizing they're mostly ignorant and retarded, I stopped giving a shit about the effect of big business on the life of the average person. People get the rulers they deserve.

Hemp is still used to make ropes and such with.

This. Hemp twine abounds. Also I have a box of hemp cereal in my cupboard.

it is illegal in the united states to cultivate industrial hemp. Most of the hemp in the products you find in the states has been imported from other countries; in fact the US is the only industrialized nation that has a ban on industrial hemp. Hemp can be used to make rope, fabric, paper (less deforestation), plastics, beauty products (the seeds have a fuck load of essential fatty acids).

so why is it still illegal? i think the main reason is ignorance, stupid politicians and the stupid people that vote for them, but im sure dupont and the corn lobbyists do have some influence.

but why listen to me, after all i am one of those weirdos who believes cannabis to be a miracle plant, seriously, it's to the point where i believe cannabis is the messiah, but thats for another time.

Hemp is the same plant as marijuana, thus making marijuana automatically makes hemp illegal. Thus the logical way to get hemp banned was to ban marijuana. DuPont thus financed the legal battle to ban marijuana for its own selfish purposes. There is NO reason whatsoever to why hemp should be banned, so why was it? The only logical conclusion to that question is the conspiracy raised in this thread.

Hemp is the same plant as marijuana, thus making marijuana automatically makes hemp illegal.

It's a cousin plant with no drug properties.

It's a cousin plant with no drug properties.

If you define different plants by its species, then its the same plant. Cannabis sativa is used for hemp. Its simply different strains that are used industrially. Thus banning cannabis also bans industrial hemp. Strains such as organic kush are grown for max THC content, and other ones are grown for stronger fibers and such, while minimalizing THC content.

Strains such as organic kush are grown for max THC content, and other ones are grown for stronger fibers and such, while minimalizing THC content.

Can't they have both?

Can't they have both?

A plant only a certain amount of energy. However, they can have both to an extent. If you breed an industrial hemp plant with organic cush for example, you'd get a plant thats inbetween. However, for best production of either fiber or THC, the plant needs to use its energy on either, thus making a strain thats good for fiber will take out energy from THC prodcution, while making a plant thats got lots of THC will take energy from the fiber strength. Kinda like if the plant is pollinated, it'll use more energy to make the seeds, instead of making more resin in a last minute attempt to catch more pollen. If it catches no pollen, it'll devote all its energy to it, and the product it makes in attempt to catch the pollen, contains lots of THC.

contrary to popular belief weed is still illegal in jamaica to smoke grow or sell. and amsterdam is a city in the netherlands not it's own country

All aspects (cultivation, possession, dealing) are illegal in Jamaica, but it's overlooked because it's so widespread. And it's not legal in the Netherlands, it's decriminalized. You can still get in trouble for smoking in public.

All aspects (cultivation, possession, dealing) are illegal in Jamaica, but it's overlooked because it's so widespread. And it's not legal in the Netherlands, it's decriminalized. You can still get in trouble for smoking in public.

Actually, cultivation is legal. As long as it's for your own use (5 plants is max for one person).

But using hemp to make rope and shit with is completely legal. They use the kind that doesn't have any THC. It's probably legal to grow that kind of hemp in most countries.

If you define different plants by its species, then its the same plant. Cannabis sativa is used for hemp. Its simply different strains that are used industrially. Thus banning cannabis also bans industrial hemp. Strains such as organic kush are grown for max THC content, and other ones are grown for stronger fibers and such, while minimalizing THC content.

Cannabis sativa is not cannabis indica, is not cannabis ruderalis. Ruderalis is hemp btw.

At the time when hemp was made illegal, the five largest corporations pretty much ran the country.

Remember, at this time, America wasn't a huge world power like we are now, not a huge economic force. So the government relied HEAVILY on these large corporations to keep the economy going. So, the Rockefellars and the Duponts pretty much ran the fucking country.

And, sadly, it's still that way. They just talk about it less. Why do you think the government just lended 80 billion to AIG? Because if AIG went under, we're well on our way to an economic depression.

The other reason they made hemp illegal is because they fucking hated mexicans back then even more than we do now.

marijuana is not legal in jamaica, did you not read that sizzla was arrested for carrying herb in his car in kingston? its just that so many people do it that it is easy to be ignored while lighting up.

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You need a joint the size of a telephone pole to get high of industrial grade hemp.

Its actually a combination of racism and greed that got a miraculous plant outlawed.

Yeah its some fucking racist fuck who outlawed it.

i think its true to a point.
The thing is marijuana is only one type of hemp plant. You can get hemp products in health food stores n shit. So when people say, oh the constitution was written on hemp, oh cars were meant to run on hemp, it doesnt necesarily mean marijuana based hemp. Plus, if Hemp really was that great and could be used for 'many' things, I doubt some oils to make rubber would be something to spend millions on to outlaw, when there is a shitload of money to be made somewhere else.

All these conspiracys sound good, and sound true, but the main reason it was outlawed was because of those christian crazy anti everything people, which made up america up to the 60's.

lolwut?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

In some states (like Hawaii, check NORML) hemp is legal to grow and/or import and sell if you have a license.

Hemp (from Old English hænep, see cannabis (etymology)) is the common name for plants of the entire genus Cannabis, although the term is often used to refer only to Cannabis strains cultivated for industrial (non-drug) use.Typically, Hemp contains below 0.3% THC, while Cannabis grown for marijuana can contain anywhere from 6 or 7 % to 20% or even more.

Hey uh, I live in Canada, and I saw real cannabis hemp ropes at the One Dollar Store the other day, is it legal here or some shit?

^^industrial hemp farmings been legal in Canada for over 10 years..

Hemp sucks, it can ruin your marijuana crop up to 2 miles away, even if it's indoors...

it can ruin your marijuana crop up to 2 miles away, even if it's indoors...

How??

Cross pollination.

Industrial hemp being banned at the same time must make the conspiracy true. If it weren't true, only the actual drug would be made illegal.

Besides, you can produce triple the amount of paper on an acre of hemp then on an acer of trees, and it can be grown in different places and the first batch arrives many years early.

Cross pollination.

Ah, shitty :(

Hemp i believe is the male of the plant? am i correct?

It contains only 0.3% THC Wich would take processing of about 100 plants, To get some THC that could be used.

I think that in theory it would be possible to Use Alcohole extraction, on Industrial Hemp to create Hash, before they are sent to be processed. Maybe they caught people soaking the leaves in huge vats of isopropyl alcohol?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Industrialhemp.jpg/800px-Industrialhemp.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Hempharvesting2.jpg

No it's a completely seperate strain of cannabis, Sativa, Indica, and Hemp, the later contains a very small amount of THC and has tradationally been used for hemp ropes.

Thats not exactly it. Only females can be used in marijuana production since the THC lies in the buds (the female sex organ). Since the fibers are used in rope production, I believe both sexes can be used for that.

Illegal in bolth actauly. In amsterdam its just like teen smoking in the US. They can bust you for it.....but they see no harm. It causes no problem for them and it would be to much of a pain in the ass to be busting people left and right.....

Illegal in bolth actauly. In amsterdam its just like teen smoking in the US. They can bust you for it.....but they see no harm. It causes no problem for them and it would be to much of a pain in the ass to be busting people left and right.....

Yet I keep hearing that their government is in the midst of rethinking their weed law enforcement. I have heard that that is partly because of tourists, but also their own people. Though I think their stats show that the majority of their population doesn't use the THC.

Though? Perhaps it is just a minority of their politicians who think this way. IDK.

Illegal in bolth actauly. In amsterdam its just like teen smoking in the US. They can bust you for it.....but they see no harm. It causes no problem for them and it would be to much of a pain in the ass to be busting people left and right.....

its more like alcohol really. ie:have to be 18 cant smoke and drive etc

Yet I keep hearing that their government is in the midst of rethinking their weed law enforcement. I have heard that that is partly because of tourists, but also their own people. Though I think their stats show that the majority of their population doesn't use the THC.

Though? Perhaps it is just a minority of their politicians who think this way. IDK.

The use of drugs in the Netherlands is a lower than other european countries and the USA.

Rethinking the drug policies happens under pressure of the EU and ofcourse our very own retarded christian political parties.

But I think you're referring to shrooms, they are in the process of outlawing them after a few tourists committed suicide in Amsterdam. Another reason why drug tourists should fuck off and not visit my country, bunch of faggots.

Lol, thats whats growing in mine and some other mexican guys front yard.

it is illegal in the united states to cultivate industrial hemp. Most of the hemp in the products you find in the states has been imported from other countries; in fact the US is the only industrialized nation that has a ban on industrial hemp.

Oh?
Check this out-
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4516

Amsterdam is a city, not a country. When you say "some parts", you mean Holland. But its legal everywhere in the country.

No it's a completely seperate strain of cannabis, Sativa, Indica, and Hemp, the later contains a very small amount of THC and has tradationally been used for hemp ropes.

Cannabis sativa L. subsp. sativa var. sativa is the variety grown for industrial use in Europe, Canada, and elsewhere, while C. sativa subsp. indica generally has poor fiber quality and is primarily used for production of recreational and medicinal drugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

Come to B.C. Canada we are way more accepting.

Four people are having a pot party up the road right now, my neighbor is smoking pot and behind my house there is two old people smoking a joint. It reeks of pot.

We still have to watch out for bacon.

You guys shouldn't look at the issue exclusively from an America-centric point of view, there are other countries too you know, prohibition is actually older than that.

The Ottomans had tried to restrict hashish use as back as 1378 AD, and since then there have been many efforts by governments and religious authorities to eradicate its use throughout the world.

In 1798 for example after a report came out that stated that much of the Egyptian underclass was abusing hashish and that this fact was having a negative impact on productivity, Napoleon totally banned the use of hashish in the then French colony of Egypt, he also wanted to prevent his soldiers from bringing the habit back to the mainland, however hash became trendy in Paris in the following years.

In 1890 Turkey also makes hash illegal and so does Greece, I used to have a book about the history of prohibition I don't know where it is though.

Oh?
Check this out-
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4516

alright, so technically it is legal to cultivate industrial hemp but the red tape you'd have to go through in order to cultivate it, plus the cost of building a 10 foot fence makes it somewhat not worth it. i read on article some years back about a guy that tried to grow hemp and the gov't straight up tried to fuck him over by claiming they never received the proper forms even though the grower had made copies and had receipts of him sending them and the gov't receiving them.

oh and sambob, weed isn't legal in amsterdam, it's just decriminalized.

alright, so technically it is legal to cultivate industrial hemp but the red tape you'd have to go through in order to cultivate it, plus the cost of building a 10 foot fence makes it somewhat not worth it. i read on article some years back about a guy that tried to grow hemp and the gov't straight up tried to fuck him over by claiming they never received the proper forms even though the grower had made copies and had receipts of him sending them and the gov't receiving them.

oh and sambob, weed isn't legal in amsterdam, it's just decriminalized.

So if you smoke weed on the street in amsterdam, a cop can come by and fine you? But the thing that makes it different is of course the selling....it must be legal to sell weed for authorized cafes in amsterdam, no? Else they'd be given huge fines. Even in USA states and other countries were its decriminalized, selling weed isn't which still makes it a black market item.

if you want to learn about why pot is illegal and its many uses i recommend checking out the book the emperor wears no clothes.

I always thought it was made illegal because of the cotton industry, not DuPont. It was made illegal what, about the mid 1930's or so. There was still a lot of money being made share cropping, and the cotton industry had lobbyists, get the gov to make it illegal because it was not as climate restricted, so there was more land, which would lead to greater supply and lower prices, the former slaves could move to friendly states, and be compensated better, and they would loose their workers, and the clothes made from hemp last quite a bit longer than the clothes made from cotton.

heres a conspiracy for you

since the tobacco industry can't advertise anymore, they keep weed illegal, making it more attractive and its use more prevalent to todays youth, who get into the psychological habit of smoking something, eventually there will be a time where they cant smoke weed, (job, area is dry, probation), then they will do the thing closest to smoking weed smoking cigarettes, then they will get addicted.

Your conspiracy sucks, GTFO.

You also need a telephone pole full of herb to OD...bahaah stupid stoners and their telephone poles full of product.

the fibres from hemp are tough and don't degrade with water or sunlight

You're fucking stupid.

heres a conspiracy for you

since the tobacco industry can't advertise anymore, they keep weed illegal, making it more attractive and its use more prevalent to todays youth, who get into the psychological habit of smoking something, eventually there will be a time where they cant smoke weed, (job, area is dry, probation), then they will do the thing closest to smoking weed smoking cigarettes, then they will get addicted.

Your conspiracy sucks, GTFO.

I laugh at those who choose to smoke suicide-sticks.

This is probably happening, but definitely not by active lobbying from the tobacco companies. It's just been illegal for so long now that everyone's stuck on thinking it's evil, and now it won't be legalized [quickly].

Kids probably do this though, I have friends that have gone from pot to cigs. Fucking idiots, giving regular rippers a bad name.

There are no legitimate reasons for the prohibition of cannabis.

Its prohibition is making the world worse off then if it were legal.

Cannabis should be legal.

According to The Emperor Wears No Clothes it is, but that book is not a credible source at all. It's a nice conspiracy theory, but has no valid evidence. Its history is seriously biased and the sources are suspect. There are all sorts of reasons why hemp should not be illegal, but let's get away from the conspiracies and use real evidence.

There are some very good histories of drugs in North America and the western world in general, but The Emperor Wears No Clothes is not one of them. Check out many of the resources at http://historyofalcoholanddrugs.typepad.com, which is the website of the Alcohol and Drugs History Society, a fairly credible source for well documented research.

I laugh at those who choose to smoke suicide-sticks.

I don't smoke. Hell been 4 months since I've smoked weed aswell. FYI I use snus, the oral tobacco product which has yet been proven to cause cancer.

oral tobacco

yet been proven to cause cancer.

Probably because it hasn't existed long enough to conduct long-term studies.

I don't smoke. Hell been 4 months since I've smoked weed aswell. FYI I use snus, the oral tobacco product which has yet been proven to cause lung/mouth cancer.

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Snus use was independently associated with increased risk of pancreatic cancer (relative risk for ever-users of snus 2·0; 95% CI 1·2–3·3, compared with never-users of any tobacco), but was unrelated to incidence of oral (0·8, 95% CI 0·4–1·7) and lung cancer (0·8, 0·5–1·3).
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We were unable to confirm any excess of oral or lung cancer in snus users.

Interesting, I would have guessed that it would cause oral cancer.

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Interesting, I would have guessed that it would cause oral cancer.

And even pancreatic cancer chances are low. They still don't have enough evidence to put on the packages that "snus causes cancer" such as they have on cigarette packs.

Probably because it hasn't existed long enough to conduct long-term studies.

There have been many long term studies. Besides, you quoted "oral tobacco" "yet to be proven to cause cancer", which is wrong. American oral tobacco has been, but not the Swedish (snus). Reason they site is that snus contains almost no nitrosamines.

...snus contains almost no nitrosamines.

You can help reduce the cancer-causing effects of nitrosamines by consuming protective antioxidants before hand such as vitamin C and vitamin E, but no vitamin offers 100% protection. The only safe strategy is to avoid them completely.

That being said, snus appears to be infinitely safer than conventional tobacco.

To quote Kenneth Warner, director of the University of Michigan Tobacco Research Network:

"The Swedish government has studied this stuff to death, and to date, there is no compelling evidence that it has any adverse health consequences. ... Whatever they eventually find out, it is dramatically less dangerous than smoking."

Corn produces 1 ton of bio-mass per acre.. Hemp produces 10... Meaning, hemp=10 times more ethenol production per acre.

many of the first vehicals were designed to run on hemp oil.. however it proved a lot cheaper to produce engines which ran on petro...

Why is industrial hemp farming illegal in the states still? Shady biniss..

I seriously was going to ask what grade he got to make conversation you sly motherfucker.

It has been posted many times that hemp farming is legal in a few states, and is not criminalized at a federal level.

For the sake of qualitymarijuana I hope very few people grow hemp.