Is there a thread for this already in BLTC (might be wrong)

OMG ! It's the DEXTROVERSE (http://www.dextroverse.org/extractions.html) all over again !

hahahahahahah couldn't be said better!

The BLTC thread is just about general use, not extraction. Plus, I was hoping that by bringing it here, I would get better advice. The problem with the dextroverse extraction is it produces some nasty looking liquid as the final product. I was hoping for something in a powder.

hcl salt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hcl salt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome.

Something I was wondering about doing all these OTC A/B's which was that OTC A's and B's aren't designed for use in making consumables. ie, there's no such thing as food grade muriatic acid, so how does one know that there aren't any poisonous contaminants in the HCl or Lye (other than the HCl or Lye)?

Awesome.

Something I was wondering about doing all these OTC A/B's which was that OTC A's and B's aren't designed for use in making consumables. ie, there's no such thing as food grade muriatic acid, so how does one know that there aren't any poisonous contaminants in the HCl or Lye (other than the HCl or Lye)?

You have to clean the HCl, NaOH, and the final product. It is possible to get pharmaceutical grade NaOH and HCl though.

You have to clean the HCl, NaOH, and the final product. It is possible to get pharmaceutical grade NaOH and HCl though.

How does one clean OTC HCl or NaOH? If cleaning was not done prior to final product, could it be done just as effectively afterward?

How does one clean OTC HCl or NaOH? If cleaning was not done prior to final product, could it be done just as effectively afterward?

It would really depend on what is in it, but for NaOH you could recrystallize. Not sure how to clean HCl. If you don't clean it before, you might get reduced yields or even some unwanted reactions, but I don't think it's usually needed. AFAIK OTC HCl and NaOH aren't too dirty.

Its nasty as hell to go down this route of thought, but if you consider

a) the quantity of adulterant within NaOH, lets say you know its 99%, horribly impure, but its a start, that means a whole 1% could be anything you like. Its not going to be something like ricin, or some other nerve reagent capable of killing you within the mg dosages, the main impurities within NaOH are probably going to be heavy metal salts, and things like NaCl and Na2CO3.

"The major impurities include sodium chloride, sodium carbonate, sodium sulfate, sodium chlorate, potassium and heavy metals such as iron and nickel."

b) none of the above purities are really going to kill you, unless you sit there eating grams and grams of them. When you do the maths, say you use a huge 10g of NaOH in an extraction of say 2g of DXM, that's a maximum of 0.1g of impurity present in 2g. When a large amount of the impurities present are things like simple salts, things that we eat every day, I would imagine you could safely guess (don't trust me) that probably only 0.05g of those impurities could ever cause any danger to you.

c) finally, you don't eat all 2g at once I hope, say 500mg is just reaching on a 'strong' dosage according to erowid. That is of course therefore a maximum of 12.5mg of impurity found within your DXM.

d) With a recrystallisation from selective solvents, I bet you could halve the amount of impurity present in your drugs, easily. More like take out 90% of your impurity.

I would therefore claim that generally, if you're intelligent, stay safe, use high quality solvents and reagents, (my NaOH is 99.9%) and just think before you stick it in your mouth, I think you're gonna be safe. Unless you're trying to manufacture a 1000mg dosage every day for the rest of your life, remember heavy metal salts are accumulative poisons.

Either way, a few simple experiments are going to be no worse than spending a day in a large, exhaust fume filled city, or 20 minutes in a petrol station...

Sauce for claims:

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/sodium_hydroxide/basic_sod.html
http://www.zhcig.com/Default.aspx?tabid=31

Thanks. I don't have much experience with Rxtalization but it's something I should definitely know how to do. I'll give it a shot.

Eeeee... You don't have much experience dissolving something and evaporating a liquid ? And you want to try an extraction ?

Someone point me the nearest glitch in the matrix please.

Eeeee... You don't have much experience dissolving something and evaporating a liquid ? And you want to try an extraction ?

Someone point me the nearest glitch in the matrix please.

I can only agree, its not hard ;) If you think your going to mess that up then reconsider doing A/B extraction and what not :(

I can only agree, its not hard ;) If you think your going to mess that up then reconsider doing A/B extraction and what not :(

In terms if O-chem and whatnot, I've done a lot of reading . Unfortunately, my experience is essentially zilch. The only thing (in terms of lab procedures) I've ever done was set up a ghetto still with rubber tubing and a Liebig condenser. Seriously, I've never extracted anything (with the exception of the still) or run any reaction of any kind. So, I'm just a little timid for lack of spoonfeeding.

So, I'm just a little timid for lack of spoonfeeding.

Fuckin' hell, nigga.

As we say around these parts, "worst you can do is blow yourself up."

Unless you're a moron, this is a very positive attitude to have about the world around you. 'n while most of us have blown ourselves up (technically, usually it's just a really big fireball), that's sort of hard to do during a recrystallziation.

Unless it's evaporative recrystallization with diethylether. 'n that's just part of the fun...

Unless it's evaporative recrystallization with diethylether. 'n that's just part of the fun...

I did this once...

Fucking stupid... Was having a bad couple of days and wasn't really thinking about what I was doing - flask of ether on the hotplate, turned around for five seconds to do something, turned back around to a rather large fireball... Luckily it was fine, I put my gloves on and just covered the neck of the flask until it was cool enough to not autoignite at the first whiff of oxygen...

Doh !

Leave the guy be.

All he needs to do is read up on bps and solubility (lol).


After that, I bet you could do it right in the 2nd trial.