This may not be a real laboratory question... I need to failry quickly find some plants that also have CBD in them that may not be of the cannabis family... does any one readily know that or the best way to research it?

I have been looking at lists of constituents and am getting weary.
That guy with the bad words NEEDs some thing to calm him down... did he not come with a grandmother who knows about tea?

I appreciate any info... even if you are just telling me I am in the wrong forum... I am new to asking stuff of the world! Thanks!

Uhm, what?
I'm not even sure this is a real question.

Your questions should't be so.....disorganized....or cryptic....or whatever it is. I can't really tell what you're asking and why.

This may not be a real laboratory question... I need to failry quickly find some plants that also have CBD in them that may not be of the cannabis family... does any one readily know that or the best way to research it?

I can't quite discern what you're asking, but I'm guessing you wish to find something with cannabinoids in it other than marijuana? If so, there's a few mosses I think which have a structurally similar precursor to THC, (5-(n-amyl)-resorcinol), but as far as I know, you're unlikely to find any naturally occurring plant that also happens to produce cannabinoids.


That guy with the bad words NEEDs some thing to calm him down... did he not come with a grandmother who knows about tea?

lol SoH?

Thanks Steve for your response...

Yes- It is a real question...The question is not a LABORATORY question per se... It is more a botany/lab question than a pure laboratory question.

It has to do with knowledge of constituents in other plants that may be similar to the cannabis plant but from a different genus and species.

I would like to know if cannabidiol is EXCLUSIVE to cannabis sativa and its varietals or if anyone knows of plants in another named grouping that also produce CBD...

Example eugenol is found in many plants, also limonene... not all are from the same family- these molecules are produced by many plant species that are unrelated to one another.

I am asking if CDB is also produced by plants other than C. sativa.

Does that make sense yet?

If someone knows an answer that would be great--- otherwise, maybe I can be directed to a database of plants and their constituents that would make this type of research easier than choosing plants one at a time and googling them to locate a lab report.

I would appreciate either approach.

Dear NeedToUnderstand,

Please stop raping me

Sincerely,

The English Language

Well if you really NeedToKnow my opinion (hurrhurr), I'd say there's no discovered, easily propagated, naturally growing plant that produces cannibinoids on the same level as plants of the cannabis genus. Predictably, I've done no research on the matter, and would rather like to be proven wrong really, but with the amount of hungry stoners, and the popularity of weed, I'd imagine such a species would have been discovered, researched and made illegal.

Thanks Von.
I am not looking for the smoking pleasure, I am looking for the monoterpenes and sesqueterpenes for their health impact.
There was an attempt in 1999 to get the essential oil of C. sativa accepted under GRAS rules of the FDA (that's generally regarded as safe and not the usual "grass" associated with C. sativa) :)
It was of course denied due to the Controlled Substances Act which has the most awful definition. We can now bring the fatty oil into the US as well as the fiber - but not the essential oil and farmers cannot grow it.

Ron Paul has submitted a bill to change the definition to only include parts of those plants with THC levels over 3 ppm. (I am on a write-in campaign FOR Ron Paul- the only one speaking sense these days.)

CBD exists in an inverse ratio to the THC content and it is a quenching molecule to the THC.. so it dampens or reduces the psychotropic impact of THC. It has its own calming qualities but is not like the impact of the forbidden drug. (Forgive me, you already know that.)

I have been told that Big Pharma will not ever let it come into the states because it really IS so powerful and because they use it as a molecular basis for many drugs.

I am hoping I can figure out a way to find a "work around" that will let us bring this powerful essential oil into the public domain. The moss idea was good, but mosses do not produce any reasonable quantity of oil and I am looking for the quenching molecules rather than the precursors. There is a method to this madness.

I am not a chemist (obviously), I am just an essential oiler.

Sorry about mutilating the language dear SoH. Thanks for taking it easy on me.;)

Ah! I feel I understand what you wanted slightly more now, which is far more interesting than what I was thinking you might be after.

I still can't be of any help whatsoever, so sorry, but if you feel like posting any interesting info you do find, I'd like to see it! Good luck sir / madam.

Sorry about mutilating the language dear SoH. Thanks for taking it easy on me.;)

Ah don't do that makes me feel bad :( How about some arguing

On a serious note i think i have something for you, i have a paper relating to something similar to what your looking for (not sure though its hard for me to understand what your looking for)

I shall keep ya posted about it anyways!

Good luck

Thanks Hack- I would love to see the info!

I have been looking at so much research on many aspects of the C sativa arguments... Industrial grade of course. I am getting dizzy (and a bit angry too) with trying to figure out what the real deal is that keeps this type of oil illegal... I now believe my friend that says that it is simply due to Big Pharma opposition to the real healing power of it. Imagine a real cure for what ails you... no more bankruptcies due to illness! No more pediatric oncology centers with bald headed skinny kids in them.

And thank you Von.. gender assumptions can get you into trouble. :p :)

I will share whatever I find tho my inquiry seems mundane compared to the conversation I butted myself into. I appreciate each of you.

Love, Health, and Peace to all.

I understand now, very interesting, good luck.

You'll find that when people in LT ask questions, it's to help answer the question, which works exceedingly better when you don't blank the fucking message, or because we are genuinely interested. We are usually pretty helpful unless you don't show that you have done any research.

^^ fix't.

My Problem Is That Im Still Fucking Hearing Voices but i'm not schizophrenic. What the fuck.

Insert "sure you're not" here. Preferably a lot of it, because I want to write a fucking lot of it, but don't want to expend the energy to do so when I could be trying in my failing way to be answering a question.

The there-quoted is pretty much the exact side effect of at least one state of high dopaminergesis. This is particularly true in one which is a seminarcotic state in one's circadian rythym. Insert some shit about glutamergesis and antagonism in its involvement in postnoradrenergic exciatory cascades, NMDA-antagonist downstream dopaminergic cascades and its role in schizophrenic hypotheosis in modeling, yadda yadda utfse bullshit.

One possible response to this would be MSG and b6; the b6/glutamate-produced GABA would inhibit dopaminergesis while the glutamate itself would prevent post-NMDA dissasociativity in auditory hallucination in the dopaminergic and post-messenger cascade NMDA models of schizophrenia.

Whatever the hell you think or any party tries to claim, none of this is qualified medical advice. Further complaints can be directed to the EFF with the subject line "hao doez I hax0r tor/freenet lulz?", however, this disclaimer obligates you to stop before you actually track anyone. Have a really nice day.

tl;dr: OP has HPPD and has concluded that CBD helps. Smoking weed cures it for a week, but eating it doesn't help.

doez the hydrozylxcl group az formz teh pyranz luuk moar polar thenz itz alkul cyclatez lulz?

n3wayz, yeah. /threadmessage#x

Spice. It must flow. Flow it does. All is one; all is well.

will the oil contain carcinogens?

I have absolutely no scientific basis at all to back this up, but it is my opinion that pretty much anything under the sun, including the sun, can act as a carcinogen.

My point is that probably yes, but perhaps similar to the amount in burnt toast. Unless you're bathing in these oils and soaking your food and clothing in it, its unlikely to be more harmful than living in an exhaust fume filled city.

I have absolutely no scientific basis at all to back this up, but it is my opinion that pretty much anything under the sun, including the sun, can act as a carcinogen.



well sort of... Lot's of things will become carconogenic when ignited...

So you mean thee are not very many carcinogens in weed to begin with? Or are you saying that there will be less carcinogens in the oil than weed in its natural state.

Or are you saying that there will be less carcinogens in the oil than weed in its natural state.

Whatever else is or is not true, that will likely be true.

1. Oil contains oil.

2. Unextracted herb contains oil + other compounds.

There's no compound in the oil that's not in the herb, but there are compounds in the herb which are not in the oil.

Furthermore, benzene - a signifigant carcinogen - is usually primarily associated with the pyrolytic destruction of woody matter, of which there is none in the oil. Additionally, despite the DEA's best chemist claiming that a "nitrogenous terpene" was a compound that contained no nitrogen and was not a terpene, there will likely be less nitrogen in the oil, hence less pyrolytic synthesis of cyanide upon combustion... though CN is not a carcinogen as far as I know. Same with CO.

Doesn't say whether there are or not carcinogens in the oil... just observes that cleanliness always equals fewer byproducts. ;)

:D Hey Hack- did you find that paper yet?

I have been absent awhile - missed you guys - I see the family is still getting along fine. ;)

No not yet :( haven't searched much, but i will as i get some time :(..dint forget, i have a list off all the stuff to post and so far that is number 3 :p

Thanks! Just checking. Interesting things going on in the litigation regarding DEA versus FDA governing the growing of Industrial hemp and who regulates the farmers.

Your paper may help me when the time is right to influence the acceptance of the essential oil - which is currently left out of all discussions of hemp products.

Thanks a million- and Happy Thanksgiving! :p

Here's a couple of articles (http://www.evilshare.com/b418cbf2-0872-102c-b64c-0007e90cfb90) which may or may not be of interest...