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Network (in)Security Interesting hacks and cracks. Info on firewalls, TCP/IP, encryption, networks, and security. The ins and outs of the phone system, caller services, how things work, what's illegal and what's not, cellular phones, beepers, telephony legislation, the PUC, ISDN, taps, who's listening, and switches. Talking about phones, hacking systems, technical advice, and such is completely LEGAL in the United States -- it's covered by the First Amendment. What's illegal is conspiracy to commit a crime. So if you say something like "Meet me at 2am so we can crack a can" or "I changed my cell phone's number myself" you are criminally liable. Stating "You can crack a can by doing thus-and-so" or "If you wanted to change a cell phone's number, you could do it like so" is perfectly OK. Posting passwords, calling card numbers, or credit card numbers is forbidden on this network. Posting such info will get you booted off the net.

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Old 2008-07-31, 20:49
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Default Tor's extent of anonymity

If i use tor button, tor, and privoxy and surf the web (with FF of course) is it still possible for my ISP to track the websites ive gone to? Then for the person paying for my internet to see the sites visited in a log if they have requested a log of them?

The reason being i dont want my Internet Supplier to know the sites ive visited mainly porn.

Also one more quick question, how come flash videos sometimes work and other times it tells me i need to download flash? Is it because of the server im connected to or what?

Thanks totse.
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Old 2008-07-31, 20:58
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Default Re: Tor's extent of anonymity

Your ISP will only see an AES-128 encrypted tunnel from you to the next tor node. They will only see that connection. They can't break AES.

However, you shouldn't expect to have anonymity with Tor if you're using flash or javascript. Those are both client-side executing content, and can be used to bypass Tor entirely.
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Old 2008-08-01, 02:19
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Default Re: Tor's extent of anonymity

Ok, that basically sums up my question but just for 100% clarity on my end.

If i go to youtube, youporn, etc will it show up on the ISPs log? I'm not really worried about security watching vids any other time i have flash, java, and javascript block plugins.

Thanks and more thanks in advanced
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Old 2008-08-01, 03:49
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Default Re: Tor's extent of anonymity

Well, it could in theory. Lets say youpr0n or whatever puts a hostile script on their site that you allow. If you connect to their site without using Tor, then yes, your ISP will see that.

Why does your ISP care what you're watching? Are you in Saudi Arabia or something?
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Old 2008-08-01, 13:26
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Default Re: Tor's extent of anonymity

I don't care about my ISP knowing i just dont want to leave traces of the sites ive been to in their logs so the person paying the bill cant see ive been watching porn basically
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Old 2008-08-01, 13:38
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Default Re: Tor's extent of anonymity

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I don't care about my ISP knowing i just dont want to leave traces of the sites ive been to in their logs so the person paying the bill cant see ive been watching porn basically
The person who pays the bill dosent see every site you visit, unless they request a log from your isp, which is way to long and painstaking to go through every month just to keep tabs on you to make sure you don't watch porn. Don't worry about it just go where ever you want and if you don't want anybody to know where you've been just clear your private data.
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Old 2008-08-02, 01:38
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Default Re: Tor's extent of anonymity

A malicious user can still capture your packets if your connection is on there node. Which is unlikely, but it has happened before.

I would tunnel through another box first just to be safe.
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Old 2008-08-02, 04:46
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A malicious user can still capture your packets if your connection is on there node. Which is unlikely, but it has happened before.

I would tunnel through another box first just to be safe.
No, only the exit node can. You can configure Tor to only use known good exit nodes, or only use non-plaintext protocols. This is a non-issue for sites that run a Tor node.
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Old 2008-08-02, 06:31
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Default Re: Tor's extent of anonymity

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A malicious user can still capture your packets if your connection is on there node.
...and, unless an exit node, said captured packet is a useless chunk of AES.

Exit node or not, it's not *your* packet anyway.
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Old 2008-08-05, 07:02
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Default Re: Tor's extent of anonymity

you can also give out self-incriminating info on Tor and might be able to be identified by your writing styles and topics-I've been able to identify my nigga JoePedo a lot based off how he types stuff (real distinctive). Same probably can do it for me as I type similarly as on TOTSE (breaking stuff into quotes even in 'normal' conversation).

Oh well I compromised myself, where's the Van waiting
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