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Old 2008-07-31, 06:07
traevin traevin is offline
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I was going through old prescriptions, hoping to find something to ease my peripheral neuropathy when I ran across two older scripts that I didn't recognize (guess I never tried them). One is called Oxydose (a liquid opiate) and the other is called Opana ER 20mg. Are these any better than Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Methadone. or MS Contin for pain relief (which help only marginally)? BTW, I don't IV.

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Old 2008-07-31, 06:09
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Originally Posted by traevin
I was going through old prescriptions, hoping to find something to ease my peripheral neuropathy when I ran across two older scripts that I didn't recognize (guess I never tried them). One is called Oxydose (a liquid opiate) and the other is called Opana ER 20mg. Are these any better than Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Methadone. or MS Contin for pain relief (which help only marginally)? BTW, I don't IV.

Thanks


Well, Im guessing Oxydose is the same as oxycodone, so it's the same as oxycodone. MS contin is Morphine I believe, which is better than oxy(in my opinion) if shot up the ass or IVd(which Ive never done). And if it is Oxy, then it isn't better than methadone.
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Old 2008-07-31, 06:51
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Right, the Oxydose seems to be liquid Percocet mixed with something that's supposed to make it palatable.

How about the Opana? I was always under the impression that Dilaudid or Methadone was the best opiate for pain relief, at least taken orally. Would you agree?
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Old 2008-07-31, 06:56
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those are two sweet scripts you got there, dude. i just wiki'd oxymorphone and it states that it is 6-8x more potent than regular morphine. and the oxydose is just liquid oxycodone. good score, dude! hopefully those scripts will still be valid, though.
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Old 2008-07-31, 07:00
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Well, Im guessing Oxydose is the same as oxycodone, so it's the same as oxycodone. MS contin is Morphine I believe, which is better than oxy(in my opinion) if shot up the ass or IVd(which Ive never done). And if it is Oxy, then it isn't better than methadone.

For the love of God, don't give advice when you are obviously talking out of your ass. Morphine is pointless rectally, and there is no way in hell it is better than oxy. Neither is methadone. Methadone is hardly recreational, it mostly sedates the shit out of you with shit for euphoria. I am sick of these bullshit "in my opinion" advice responses from people when it is obvious as fuck that they haven't done the shit nor researched it.
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Old 2008-07-31, 07:07
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For the love of God, don't give advice when you are obviously talking out of your ass. Morphine is pointless rectally, and there is no way in hell it is better than oxy. Neither is methadone. Methadone is hardly recreational, it mostly sedates the shit out of you with shit for euphoria. I am sick of these bullshit "in my opinion" advice responses from people when it is obvious as fuck that they haven't done the shit nor researched it.


You're a fucking idiot. If you don't think methadone is euphoric then you're retarded. And I stayed high for a long fucking time on morphine, much longer than oxy. I liked it fucking better. It sucked wang for pain, but it was the shit
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Old 2008-07-31, 07:11
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You're a fucking idiot. If you don't think methadone is euphoric then you're retarded. And I stayed high for a long fucking time on morphine, much longer than oxy. I liked it fucking better. It sucked wang for pain, but it was the shit

Oh. my. god. Are you a fucking infant? Methadone is not fucking euphoric. Do you understand the concept of euphoria? It doesn't mean it makes you nod hard. Morphine lasting way longer than oxy? God damn this is such bullshit. I called you out on your bullshit ass advice and you are trying to justify it with a fabricated opinion.
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Old 2008-07-31, 07:18
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Oh. my. god. Are you a fucking infant? Methadone is not fucking euphoric. Do you understand the concept of euphoria? It doesn't mean it makes you nod hard. Morphine lasting way longer than oxy? God damn this is such bullshit. I called you out on your bullshit ass advice and you are trying to justify it with a fabricated opinion.

I know what euphoric means. Stop being such a dumb petty fucking asshole and trying to call me out. I got fucking euphoric on methadone, and I never said I took morphine rectally. In fact I said, "Which I haven't done" at the end of the sentence. I chewed a morphine tab and took one without chewing, and was high for a long fucking time. Longer than I was on percocet.
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Old 2008-07-31, 07:34
traevin traevin is offline
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Guys, I wasn't trying to get anything started. Keep in mind that many people react to medications in widely different ways. Our body chemistry might be similar but similar is not the same.

Now here's where I'm confused. I read the Wiki article about Opana being so much stronger than morphine but when I plugged in the numbers on the opiate converter, 20mg. of Opana only equal 40mg. of Percocet.

What am I missing?

http://www.globalrph.com/narcoticonv.htm
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Old 2008-07-31, 07:40
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yeah, 20mg of opana is approximately equal to about 40mg of oxycodone. that's awesome, lol.

another example is how one 20mg oxymorphone is approx. about 15mg hydromorphone or 60mg hydrocodone!

how many of these little bombers does the script include?
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Old 2008-07-31, 07:52
traevin traevin is offline
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Two scripts of 60. They're nearly two years old so they may have lost some of their efficacy. I'm going to crack two up and try them sublingually.
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Old 2008-07-31, 07:56
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I know what euphoric means. Stop being such a dumb petty fucking asshole and trying to call me out. I got fucking euphoric on methadone, and I never said I took morphine rectally. In fact I said, "Which I haven't done" at the end of the sentence. I chewed a morphine tab and took one without chewing, and was high for a long fucking time. Longer than I was on percocet.

This keeps getting better and better, or should I say worse and worse? Did you know the bioavailability of morphine is around 25%? You should have just thrown them out instead of swallowing them/chewing them. Placebo ftw.
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Old 2008-07-31, 08:03
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This keeps getting better and better, or should I say worse and worse? Did you know the bioavailability of morphine is around 25%? You should have just thrown them out instead of swallowing them/chewing them. Placebo ftw.


Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, it's a guy who doesn't do opiates much. Think of that, tough guy?
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Old 2008-07-31, 08:55
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Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, it's a guy who doesn't do opiates much. Think of that, tough guy?

That still doesn't explain how the morphine was so much better and longer lasting than the Percocets. If you have allegedly done percocets, methadone, and morphine not doing much opiates is no excuse for being "so high for a long time" by taking two morphine sulfate pills orally.
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Old 2008-07-31, 08:55
traevin traevin is offline
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Yeah, I've pretty much limited myself to oral, although it's not some religious or philosophical hangup with me. I just don't like needles. I figure if I managed to get through college without trying it, (probably the one route of administration that I didn't try), I doubt I'll start now when I actually have a legitimate reason for piercing a vein.

I still fondly remember that warm, sweet rush of a Demerol injection, (no idea the dose), after an accident that landed me in the ER. That was one memorable experience! I don't know how Demerol compares to Heroin but damn!!! I'm definitely not surprised that people pick up the habit; what is surprising is the fact that IVing isn't more prevalent.

Now from what I read, the nasal route sounds like a viable option for getting the most bang for your buck.

But I have to ask, does it sting like hell to snort opiates?
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Old 2008-07-31, 08:57
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But I have to ask, does it sting like hell to snort opiates?

No, as long as you aren't snorting something stupid like opiates with APAP or snorting methadone. If taking morphine, snort it no doubt since injecting isn't an option.
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Old 2008-07-31, 13:53
rideronthestorm rideronthestorm is offline
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Ok im gonna step in hear and say 2 things

first

methadone rocks...........



and morphine is NOT better than OC, unless iv'd
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Old 2008-07-31, 14:23
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Guys, I wasn't trying to get anything started. Keep in mind that many people react to medications in widely different ways. Our body chemistry might be similar but similar is not the same.

I know a girl who said this justify the fact that ritalin supposdly made her put on weight. lol. Guess she cant accept shes fat.
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Old 2008-08-01, 12:45
traevin traevin is offline
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I know a girl who said this justify the fact that ritalin supposdly made her put on weight. lol. Guess she cant accept shes fat.

Funny. Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
 
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