totse.com | Methanol extraction of DMT

36fuckin5 · #1 2008-07-30, 08:14

So, SN was nice enough to send me this. It's saying that the methanol extraction is giving higher yields of DMT than an A/B using acetic acid, NaOH and methelyne chloride (that is DCM, correct?). So I read over it and it seems super simple. I didn't even have to learn any new jargon, but I did have to figure out what a Soxhlet extractor is.

So my thought to increase my yield of DMT from MHRB is as such:

Powder my MHRB.

Put it in a jar and cover with 2 inches of methanol. (Should I use more? Less?)

Heat at 140 F for an hour, stirring every few minutes.

Filter the solution and save the methanol.

Repeat x 3.

Evaporate to powder. (probably not gonna happen, so...)

Recrystallize. (Using methanol? Naptha? DCM? Heptane? I don't have the equipment to distill ether.)

Visit the gnomes.

Profit.

Currently, I'm doing an A/B with acetic acid, NaOH and naptha, separating the oil from the naptha in a Ziplock bag, then freeze precipitating, then a STB with NaOH and naptha, doing the same separation technique and freeze precipitation. So far, I've got about 1.9 grams of DMT (.4 of white and 1.5 of some pale yellow stuff that I see no need to clean up) out of 350 grams of MHRB and I'm on my 3rd pull of the STB step. So about .5% total. I don't know if I'm gonna get a lot more from the last pull, either. If this would increase my yields and/or purity (without affecting yield) I'd be all for it.

Edit: Fucking hell, I need to quit smoking so much pot. I just realized that it said that the methanol gave more yield at the price of a less pure product. So the difference in yield is most likely impurities. My conclusion so far is that I need to refine my techniques more on the A/B and STB and stop looking for a new, easier tek. Unless somebody knows how I can get more yield without sacrificing quality.

stateofhack · #2 2008-07-30, 08:57

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Originally Posted by 36fuckin5 View Post

So, SN was nice enough to send me this. It's saying that the methanol extraction is giving higher yields of DMT than an A/B using acetic acid, NaOH and methelyne chloride (that is DCM, correct?). So I read over it and it seems super simple. I didn't even have to learn any new jargon, but I did have to figure out what a Soxhlet extractor is.

So my thought to increase my yield of DMT from MHRB is as such:

Powder my MHRB.

Put it in a jar and cover with 2 inches of methanol. (Should I use more? Less?)

Heat at 140 F for an hour, stirring every few minutes.

Filter the solution and save the methanol.

Repeat x 3.

Evaporate to powder. (probably not gonna happen, so...)

Recrystallize. (Using methanol? Naptha? DCM? Heptane? I don't have the equipment to distill ether.)

Visit the gnomes.

Profit.

Currently, I'm doing an A/B with acetic acid, NaOH and naptha, separating the oil from the naptha in a Ziplock bag, then freeze precipitating, then a STB with NaOH and naptha, doing the same separation technique and freeze precipitation. So far, I've got about 1.9 grams of DMT (.4 of white and 1.5 of some pale yellow stuff that I see no need to clean up) out of 350 grams of MHRB and I'm on my 3rd pull of the STB step. So about .5% total. I don't know if I'm gonna get a lot more from the last pull, either. If this would increase my yields and/or purity (without affecting yield) I'd be all for it.

Edit: Fucking hell, I need to quit smoking so much pot. I just realized that it said that the methanol gave more yield at the price of a less pure product. So the difference in yield is most likely impurities. My conclusion so far is that I need to refine my techniques more on the A/B and STB and stop looking for a new, easier tek. Unless somebody knows how I can get more yield without sacrificing quality.

There are fucking 50 threads about DMT, all the info is there! The best way to get yield without sacrificing purity is freezing the DMT out of naphtha and evaporation the mother liquor!

Look in the other threads!

stupid noob · #3 2008-07-30, 09:26

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Originally Posted by stateofhack View Post

There are fucking 50 threads about DMT, all the info is there! The best way to get yield without sacrificing purity is freezing the DMT out of naphtha and evaporation the mother liquor!

Look in the other threads!

No, you still get other alkaloids with it, you end up with yellow crystals. DMT is not yellow.

stateofhack · #4 2008-07-30, 11:07

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No, you still get other alkaloids with it, you end up with yellow crystals. DMT is not yellow.

No

I am sorry but that is not true, i have had crystal white crystals, sure the mother liquor will be a little yellow, but a little 10% ammonia sol. and some cleaning will clear that. Seriously the first pull is the fucking best! I can assure you!

stupid noob · #5 2008-07-30, 11:13

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No

I am sorry but that is not true, i have had crystal white crystals, sure the mother liquor will be a little yellow, but a little 10% ammonia sol. and some cleaning will clear that. Seriously the first pull is the fucking best! I can assure you!

They do indeed come back clean and white after an ammonia wash? Well, shit, I guess I was wrong. Thank you for that tidbit of info.

Still though, much easier to follow the DEA route. I love how they just give us shit like that. As if they were stocking a pond with fish.

stateofhack · #6 2008-07-30, 11:38

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They do indeed come back clean and white after an ammonia wash? Well, shit, I guess I was wrong. Thank you for that tidbit of info.

Welcome

I have realized that if you do not need to wash the first pull of crystals, they are just perfect! Only wash and recrystallize the second and the mother liquor evap!

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Still though, much easier to follow the DEA route. I love how they just give us shit like that. As if they were stocking a pond with fish.

True, i have a paper from 2001 from the DEA trying and successful at extracting the ephedrine pills! I couldn't believe that it was available when i read it. Laughed so hard!

chazz · #7 2008-07-31, 17:55

"Acetic Acid Extraction: The root bark was cut into small pieces then ground in a blender to produce a very fine powder. A 3% acetic acid solution was added to the powder, and the resulting suspension was stirred for approximately two hours. The solution was filtered and transferred to a separatory funnel, made basic with sodium hydroxide, and then extracted with methylene chloride."

if they don't do a de-fat extraction before baseifying whats the point in involving acetic acid at all?

fcknut · #8 2008-07-31, 18:12

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if they don't do a de-fat extraction before baseifying whats the point in involving acetic acid at all?

eh?

They use acetic acid to extract the (basic) desired alkaloids from the plant material...

stateofhack · #9 2008-08-01, 19:22

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if they don't do a de-fat extraction before baseifying whats the point in involving acetic acid at all?

http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg

spl1ff · #10 2008-08-03, 01:25

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Still though, much easier to follow the DEA route. I love how they just give us shit like that. As if they were stocking a pond with fish.

suspicious...

well, i guess they gotta stay in business somehow

(sarcasm, i am fully aware that they are not a business and recieve funding from the government)