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Old 2008-07-29, 19:04
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Say one uses HCL for extraction purposes. When evaporated, and mixed properly with water, what happens to the Hydrochloric acid? Does it evaporate with the water, or turn into a powder as well?
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Old 2008-07-29, 19:13
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If you are using the hcl to turn your chemical into a salt than yes the HCL will bond itself to the chemical. But in general you cant just powderize HCL
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Old 2008-07-29, 19:17
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if there is any remaining HCL that isnt bonded to the alkaloid, it will simply evaporate. HCL is actually a gas, it is just dissolved in water. This is why you wont find any at extremely high concentrations.
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Old 2008-07-29, 19:20
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If you are using the hcl to turn your chemical into a salt than yes the HCL will bond itself to the chemical. But in general you cant just powderize HCL
Okay, let me get a little more specific, i just don't want to be taunted here. I'm extracting 500mg's of propylhexedrine with HCL, mixing 10ml's of water with 5ml's of muriatic acid, 37%. It turns into crystals once evaporated, but I was just curious how much actual HCL i'm ingesting with the remnants.
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Old 2008-07-29, 21:25
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Okay, let me get a little more specific, i just don't want to be taunted here. I'm extracting 500mg's of propylhexedrine with HCL, mixing 10ml's of water with 5ml's of muriatic acid, 37%. It turns into crystals once evaporated, but I was just curious how much actual HCL i'm ingesting with the remnants.
probably none, HCL evaporates, just filter out the crystals and set them out for a while...

if your paranoid you could disolve them in water, test the ph of the water and prepare a small solution of NaOH and water, drop it into the water until the ph is 7...

HCL reacts with the NaOH to form HCL and water if im remembering my chemistry class from a couple years ago...
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Old 2008-07-29, 21:45
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probably none, HCL evaporates, just filter out the crystals and set them out for a while...

if your paranoid you could disolve them in water, test the ph of the water and prepare a small solution of NaOH and water, drop it into the water until the ph is 7...

HCL reacts with the NaOH to form HCL and water if im remembering my chemistry class from a couple years ago...
Thanks. It just burns so bad snorting the stuff and scabs the nose up. Does anyone happen to know why they add HCL after drugs, e.g. Hydrocodone HCL?
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Old 2008-07-29, 21:49
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Thanks. It just burns so bad snorting the stuff and scabs the nose up. Does anyone happen to know why they add HCL after drugs, e.g. Hydrocodone HCL?
Because thats the chemical name. You can get Hydrocodone in different forms Hydro HCL is just the one form of the chemical. Also HCL helps in absorbtion of chemicals in your body. But I have seen Hydrocodone Titrate or Bitrate(spelling) before HCL is just the more common form.

DXM comes in 2 forms for a more way you can notice next time you go shopping it comes in DXM HCL or DXM Hbr
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Old 2008-07-29, 23:01
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Because thats the chemical name. You can get Hydrocodone in different forms Hydro HCL is just the one form of the chemical. Also HCL helps in absorbtion of chemicals in your body. But I have seen Hydrocodone Titrate or Bitrate(spelling) before HCL is just the more common form.

DXM comes in 2 forms for a more way you can notice next time you go shopping it comes in DXM HCL or DXM Hbr
if you have something like hydrocodone hcl you have the hydrochloride salt form of it, most drugs short of crack are in one salt form or another because the freebase form tends to be more of an oily consistency while the salt form will produce crystals. lets say you added crack to citric acid (lemon juice) you would have cocaine citrate... whatever acid you add will produce a different end product, dosages will vary depending on molecular weight...

if you put some hydrocodone or freebase of anything in a capsule and ate it, your stomach would convert it to the HCL form of it because the main acid in the stomach is hydrochloric...

freebased drugs tend to also have a better vaporization point when compared to its destruction... which is why people freebase cocaine into crack..
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Old 2008-07-29, 23:21
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Because thats the chemical name. You can get Hydrocodone in different forms Hydro HCL is just the one form of the chemical. Also HCL helps in absorbtion of chemicals in your body. But I have seen Hydrocodone Titrate or Bitrate(spelling) before HCL is just the more common form.

DXM comes in 2 forms for a more way you can notice next time you go shopping it comes in DXM HCL or DXM Hbr
You're not intelligent at all!

Also, in the Jewish tradition, HCL stands for the age old tradition of "Hard Cock Loving."

... The more you know!
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Old 2008-07-30, 04:31
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It turns into crystals once evaporated, but I was just curious how much actual HCL i'm ingesting with the remnants.
Evaporation? Titration + inclusions.

A nice recrystallization should get you to ideal titration without excess...
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Old 2008-07-30, 15:50
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HCl + H2O <-------> H30+ + a useless spectator chloride. The powder you found is probably from the hard water that you used(unless of course you are using distilled((which i hope is the case))).
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