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Backyard Ballistics This forum is dedicated to the safe teaching and responsible handling of high and low explosives. You will not find any information on how to make "bombs" or any such device(s) . Backyard ballistics will teach you the science and the art of pyrotechnics and how to manufacture and use explosives/pyrotechnics safely and responsibly. Backyard ballistics is also a haven for rocketry and pneumatic cannons. All information contained within this forum is for educational purposes ONLY. Totse does not accept responsiblity for any incident involving the use of the information contained within this forum.

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Old 2008-07-29, 04:49
unfrgvncure unfrgvncure is offline
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Default alternate sources for thermite

I want to make thermite, I know how.
However are there any other ways of obtaining the ingredients other than purchasing directly bags of aluminum and iron oxide.

Are there anyways of gettign Iron Oxide other than the salt water battery method?

Im probibly just gonna get powdered aluminum from those etcha sketch things.
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Old 2008-07-29, 04:50
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Etcha Sketch for aluminum.

Just scrape some rust off of something for the Iron Oxide.
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Old 2008-07-29, 05:13
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Just scrape some rust off of something for the Iron Oxide.
thought that was too simple to work lol
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Old 2008-07-29, 09:59
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Default Re: alternate sources for thermite

Iron oxide, pure and finely grounded is reddish-brown color for concrete. And Al powder is silver bronze-also color. If you can not find it put Al in HCl and then, when no more H2 is coming out,all HCl is spent-not because all the Al eaten, ad MG powder. Your precious Mg you can get back via electrolysis, then grind it again.
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Old 2008-07-29, 11:17
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Default Re: alternate sources for thermite

I think you can get aluminium powder from craft supply shops.
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Old 2008-07-29, 14:14
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Nomen learn some chemistry. Also aluminum is gray to black in color not silver.
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Old 2008-07-29, 15:00
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Etcha Sketch for aluminum.

Just scrape some rust off of something for the Iron Oxide.
Lol, breaking bad...
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Old 2008-07-30, 01:23
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Lol, breaking bad...
did they make another season for that show?
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Old 2008-07-30, 01:46
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I hope they do, great show
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Old 2008-07-30, 01:47
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never seen it.
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Old 2008-07-30, 03:01
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Default Re: alternate sources for thermite

Any tit with a ball mill and some time to kill can make aluminum powder easily. For thermite it doesn't even have to be very fine.

Iron oxide can be made en masse by oxidizing steel wool, which has a very high surface area and therefore rusts through quickly and easily. You can use the electrolysis method or just dunk the stuff in white vinegar. The former takes longer but is less stinky...
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Old 2008-07-30, 06:56
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Any tit with a ball mill and some time to kill can make aluminum powder easily. For thermite it doesn't even have to be very fine.

Iron oxide can be made en masse by oxidizing steel wool, which has a very high surface area and therefore rusts through quickly and easily. You can use the electrolysis method or just dunk the stuff in white vinegar. The former takes longer but is less stinky...


Steel wool in a fire works as well.
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Old 2008-07-31, 03:58
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Etcha Sketch for aluminum.

Just scrape some rust off of something for the Iron Oxide.


Thats lot of Scraping and a lot of Etcha Sketches... Better off using as is..
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Old 2008-07-31, 08:45
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http://www.geocities.com/polyvinylchloride05/al2.jpg
it is extremly noisy and file clogs up, but it is enough for thermite aluminum
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Old 2008-07-31, 19:09
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http://www.geocities.com/polyvinylchloride05/al2.jpg
it is extremly noisy and file clogs up, but it is enough for thermite aluminum


And this is why I keep coming back!

Funnier than a woodcutting axe, and true too.
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Old 2008-07-31, 19:31
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two suggestions for that AWESOME setup:

1) use sandpaper instead
2) drip water over it to reduce the clogging!
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Old 2008-08-02, 11:15
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Default Re: alternate sources for thermite

im not into doing pyro, but i couldnt help myself coming into this thread from hot topics

a lot of the time, i craft items with aluminium, and i make a lot of dust. i generally keep the dust, as i never know when i want to make thermite in the future. i have so far accumulated about a cup's worth.

though grinding aluminium on a file would take a long time... do it while watching tv or something

anyway, a bit off topic, would aluminium cans or foil work, or are there too many other impurities?
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Old 2008-08-02, 21:23
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I've used foil for flash powder before. I think cans might be problematic, because there's all that paint and soda/beer residue on them.
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Old 2008-08-04, 08:30
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I've used foil for flash powder before. I think cans might be problematic, because there's all that paint and soda/beer residue on them.


Ever heard of hot water & acetone ? :p
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Old 2008-08-05, 16:10
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Sure, if you really want to waste that much in materials (acetone) and time (washing) when you could just use something else as raw stock.

Actually, leaving the paint in your thermite mix probably won't do anything detrimental to it. I just wouldn't want to have it around in a flash mixture where it's an unknown variable, just sitting there in contact with your oxidizer.
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Old 2008-08-08, 07:17
nomen.noncognosco nomen.noncognosco is offline
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Best aluminum powder is aluminum flakes. It's best for thermite, and it's best as enhancer for HE. And those flakes are silver looking. In my pyro cariere I was using only that flaked aluminum for about 30 years. Every time it was working perfectly. I never had to grind metals, never was in position to buy atomized aluminum. I do not live in USA, but in Croatia. All pyro activites were strictly forbiden in Yugoslavia. Comunists were to afraid that Croat people were able to make arms out of pyro devices..... But, when war begun we had no arms, except police and hunting arms. And we won in the war against Yugoslavia-Serbia.
Now I am not working any more, but I still know how flaked aluminum looks. Maybe grinded or atomized aluminum is black, same as magnesium. Probably is.
And i know "some" chemistry. I was fourth chemist in my generation in competition in chemistry knowledge 1969.....
And I made at least 50 kg of such thermite. It's much easier to ignite, sometimes even BP fuse can ignite it. My thermite never failed. It makes mixture runny as liquid, so very easy to mix, and visually inspect is it equally mixed.
That silver looking flaked aluminum was excellent for LE flash charges. Maybe, with potassium chlorate is a bit to sensitive-it explodes if you step on the charge, even if not very confined, just loosely wrapped in sam paper and taped once-all around, so all the paper is covered with one layer of duct tape. If used in COB it is thunderring.
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