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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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 2008-07-28, 07:22
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Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
I took quite a bit of Oxy today. I took about 30mg at 3 in the afternoon, and then at 9 or so I took the other 50. I started to come down, and to boost the high, I took my last 3 5/500's.
I'm sure this is totally noobish, but would the two counter-act the eachother, killing my high? Or wold it boost it?
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#2
 2008-07-28, 07:24
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dotNorma 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
They stack. There are benefits to this.
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#3
 2008-07-28, 07:32
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
They're both opiates. They'd combine and add to it. It'll keep you from coming down.
If you took Amps with you opiates, I imagine that it would kill the high. Similar to taking those codeine + caffeine pills. Stimulants will fuck with depressants and visa-versa.
Drugs of the same kind, when added will increase the effects.
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#4
 2008-07-28, 07:40
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Get a Job 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole
They're both opiates. They'd combine and add to it. It'll keep you from coming down.
If you took Amps with you opiates, I imagine that it would kill the high. Similar to taking those codeine + caffeine pills. Stimulants will fuck with depressants and visa-versa.
Drugs of the same kind, when added will increase the effects.
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#5
 2008-07-28, 07:44
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole
They're both opiates. They'd combine and add to it. It'll keep you from coming down.
If you took Amps with you opiates, I imagine that it would kill the high. Similar to taking those codeine + caffeine pills. Stimulants will fuck with depressants and visa-versa.
Drugs of the same kind, when added will increase the effects.
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Thanks for the prompt reply you guys. I owe ya one, maybe even two. Don't push it.
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#6
 2008-07-28, 07:46
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
Thanks for the prompt reply you guys. I owe ya one, maybe even two. Don't push it.
Fuck no you don't. Show your gratitude by scarfing down some more pills.
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#7
 2008-07-28, 08:05
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
Fuck no you don't. Show your gratitude by scarfing down some more pills.
Haha. You funny fucker.
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#8
 2008-07-28, 08:06
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
One last thing. I like to snort my Oxy (I dunno why. I just feel like a champ snorting a fat line, I guess) But from what I've read, the bioavlaibility is total shit when compared to taking it orally. How do you normal dose it?
Today I decided I'd snort half and parachute the other half, my reasoning being that I expected a quick high from snorting, and then it lasting longer because of the parachute.
Is that a dumb idea? Should I just parachute the entire thing?
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#9
 2008-07-28, 13:01
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
You should stop snorting pills....
Then again, you can't reform a born idiot.
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#10
 2008-07-28, 14:28
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Private Rodent 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by Monso
One last thing. I like to snort my Oxy (I dunno why. I just feel like a champ snorting a fat line, I guess) But from what I've read, the bioavlaibility is total shit when compared to taking it orally. How do you normal dose it?
Today I decided I'd snort half and parachute the other half, my reasoning being that I expected a quick high from snorting, and then it lasting longer because of the parachute.
Is that a dumb idea? Should I just parachute the entire thing?
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Just do whatever the hell you feel like.
Really though, you should stick them in your poo hole.
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#11
 2008-07-28, 14:48
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole
They're both opiates. They'd combine and add to it. It'll keep you from coming down.
If you took Amps with you opiates, I imagine that it would kill the high. Similar to taking those codeine + caffeine pills. Stimulants will fuck with depressants and visa-versa.
Drugs of the same kind, when added will increase the effects.
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Nah, you're wrong. I took amps with opiates and got so fucked, but of course I love doin speed. So, everyone's different. It could kill the high for someone else, in theory.
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#12
 2008-07-28, 15:13
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole
They're both opiates. They'd combine and add to it. It'll keep you from coming down.
If you took Amps with you opiates, I imagine that it would kill the high. Similar to taking those codeine + caffeine pills. Stimulants will fuck with depressants and visa-versa.
Drugs of the same kind, when added will increase the effects.
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LOL? They do NOT combine. Why does every little vicodin popper think this? They won't react badly, but it isn't like drinking a pint of cap with a handful of xannax. It doesn't intensify anything.
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#13
 2008-07-28, 15:14
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Private Rodent 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
Stimulants will fuck with depressants and visa-versa.
Drugs of the same kind, when added will increase the effects.
Ever heard of a speedball?
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#14
 2008-07-28, 15:57
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krs-93 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by Monso
One last thing. I like to snort my Oxy (I dunno why. I just feel like a champ snorting a fat line, I guess) But from what I've read, the bioavlaibility is total shit when compared to taking it orally. How do you normal dose it?
Today I decided I'd snort half and parachute the other half, my reasoning being that I expected a quick high from snorting, and then it lasting longer because of the parachute.
Is that a dumb idea? Should I just parachute the entire thing?
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why the hell is everyone so damn crazy about snorting misc. pills and shit when you can get just as high by eating them (yes i know oxy has a higher bioavaliability when snorted) i mean everyone asks can i snort zannies? k-pins? valium?
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#15
 2008-07-28, 16:13
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Private Rodent 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
why the hell is everyone so damn crazy about snorting misc. pills and shit when you can get just as high by eating them (yes i know oxy has a higher bioavaliability when snorted) i mean everyone asks can i snort zannies? k-pins? valium?
I'm not sure which one's but I think there's a benzo or two that works up the nose. It's just some stupid thought process of most kids that makes them think snorting=stronger.
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#16
 2008-07-28, 16:18
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
why the hell is everyone so damn crazy about snorting misc. pills and shit when you can get just as high by eating them (yes i know oxy has a higher bioavaliability when snorted) i mean everyone asks can i snort zannies? k-pins? valium?
Actually oxy has a higher bioavailability orally.
and opiates + stims are waaaay fun (either cocaine or amps)
especially opiates + stims + benzos
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#17
 2008-07-28, 16:40
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JustAnotherAsshole 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by Monso
One last thing. I like to snort my Oxy (I dunno why. I just feel like a champ snorting a fat line, I guess) But from what I've read, the bioavlaibility is total shit when compared to taking it orally. How do you normal dose it?
Today I decided I'd snort half and parachute the other half, my reasoning being that I expected a quick high from snorting, and then it lasting longer because of the parachute.
Is that a dumb idea? Should I just parachute the entire thing?
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Right, we'll cover two things here.
First off, Opiates have better bio availability when taken orally, but they take longer to come on than when snorted. If you've got plenty of pills and have no need to conserve them, sure, go for snorting, but if you've got limited amounts or want to make the most of your opiates, take them orally.
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Also, do some research on how to potentiate your opiates.**
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There are opiates worth snorting, and there are opiates that aren't worth snorting.
A 40mg Oxycontin, for example, would be worth snorting, because it has a good drug to filler ratio.
Something like a 5/500 hydrocodone wouldn't be worth snorting, because it has a shitty ratio, and you'd just be filling your nose with Acetaminophen.
In general, Opiates are the only Pharms that I snort, but I've heard of people snorting Benzos as well.
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#18
 2008-07-28, 16:42
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
In general, Opiates are the only Pharms that I snort, but I've heard of people snorting Benzos as well.
wrote the book on it yo.
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#19
 2008-07-28, 16:47
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
wrote the book on it yo.
Meh. I always almost take drugs in the most efficient way. The few time's I've snorted was either before I knew it was less efficient, and when it's somebody Else's drugs and they've already ground it up.
I have to admit, snorting is rather fun, though.
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#20
 2008-07-28, 19:42
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
The only water-soluble benzo is midazolam (US:Versed,Euro: Dormicum) and it does work good snorted. You can snort other benzos but they last for a lot less time, hence why its much more worth it to take em orally. Once you pop em with a shot or 2 of some hard ethanol you wont feel the need to snort them to make em kick in faster. But you gotta be careful not to overdo the alcohol thing, you could like, die.
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#21
 2008-07-28, 21:53
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by mr elusive
The only water-soluble benzo is midazolam (US:Versed,Euro: Dormicum) and it does work good snorted. You can snort other benzos but they last for a lot less time, hence why its much more worth it to take em orally. Once you pop em with a shot or 2 of some hard ethanol you wont feel the need to snort them to make em kick in faster. But you gotta be careful not to overdo the alcohol thing, you could like, die.
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doesn't matter if they're water soluble for snorting
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#22
 2008-07-28, 22:16
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JustAnotherAsshole 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
LOL? They do NOT combine. Why does every little vicodin popper think this? They won't react badly, but it isn't like drinking a pint of cap with a handful of xannax. It doesn't intensify anything.
I don't mean they combine as in the molecules somehow connect or some shit.
I mean they combine as in they intensify the effects. If somebody had in front of them an OC40 and a handful of 5/500 Vicodins and they took them at the same time, they would get higher, would they not? That's what I meant.
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#23
 2008-07-28, 22:18
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
I don't mean they combine as in the molecules somehow connect or some shit.
I mean they combine as in they intensify the effects.
Which they don't do...
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#24
 2008-07-28, 22:20
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gabians 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
Ever heard of a speedball?
this, too
Why do you think stims and opiates wouldn't go well together?
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#25
 2008-07-28, 22:20
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JustAnotherAsshole 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
Which they don't do...
Since when does more opiates=/=higher?..
It's not as if they work together, it's just more of the same type of drug.
this, too
Why do you think stims and opiates wouldn't go well together?
I said they fuck with eachother. When you're mixing the effects of a stimulant and depressant, the high is going to be pretty different, isn't it?
Shooting cocaine and shooting heroin feel different than a speedball, don't they?
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#26
 2008-07-28, 22:24
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
Since when does more opiates=/=higher?..
It's not as if they work together, it's just more of the same type of drug.
It doesn't matter. Anybody that knows anything about opiates will tell you. They do not intensify affects. For example: If five percocet 5 mg's don't fuck you up, and five hydrocodone 5mg's don't fuck you up, then taking all five of each at the same time won't fuck you up.
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#27
 2008-07-28, 22:27
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JustAnotherAsshole 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
It doesn't matter. Anybody that knows anything about opiates will tell you. They do not intensify affects. For example: If five percocet 5 mg's don't fuck you up, and five hydrocodone 5mg's don't fuck you up, then taking all five of each at the same time won't fuck you up.
So, you're telling me that when you're taking different opiates they have NO cumulative effects?
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#28
 2008-07-28, 22:28
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consciouscowboy 
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
So, you're telling me that when you're taking different opiates they have NO cumulative effects?
Yes, you just experience their separate effects on their own.
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#29
 2008-07-28, 22:29
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
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Originally Posted by mr elusive
The only water-soluble benzo is midazolam (US:Versed,Euro: Dormicum) and it does work good snorted. You can snort other benzos but they last for a lot less time, hence why its much more worth it to take em orally. Once you pop em with a shot or 2 of some hard ethanol you wont feel the need to snort them to make em kick in faster. But you gotta be careful not to overdo the alcohol thing, you could like, die.
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i heard from someone on here that its lipid solublility not the water solublility rizzo maybe?
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#30
 2008-07-28, 22:30
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
Yes, you just experience their separate effects on their own.
So they do indeed have cumulative effects?
So if you're taking Oxycontin and Vicodin, for example, the effects would "pile up" So to speak?
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#31
 2008-07-28, 22:34
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
Since when does more opiates=/=higher?..
It's not as if they work together, it's just more of the same type of drug.
I said they fuck with eachother. When you're mixing the effects of a stimulant and depressant, the high is going to be pretty different, isn't it?
Shooting cocaine and shooting heroin feel different than a speedball, don't they?
If you took Amps with you opiates, I imagine that it would kill the high. Similar to taking those codeine + caffeine pills. Stimulants will fuck with depressants and visa-versa.
dumbass...
edit: it does not kill the high like you said, stop pulling advice and information out of your ass
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#32
 2008-07-28, 22:35
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
so they do indeed have cumulative effects?
So if you're taking oxycontin and vicodin, for example, the effects would "pile up" so to speak?
no god damn it
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#33
 2008-07-28, 22:37
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
dumbass...
Well played, sir. Well played.
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#34
 2008-07-29, 00:00
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Re: Oxycotin and Hydrocodone
google "Binding Affinity to Mu receptors"
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