To date I've been pretty interested in MDMA and have researched it alot. The main reason I never really got around to trying it was the fact that E pills tend to be adulterated or bunk more often than clean. And since I never really cared enough to get a test kit, I ended up refusing E pills every time they were offered.

I happened to run into a test kit stand on a festival however (6 euros for a dropper bottle w/ Marquiz reagent), so I got me 2 of those so I could finally get into trying E. After asking around alot and comparing the reputations of certain brands, I settled down on an old kind of pill (about 10 months since it first became available) that one guy I know (not a dealer) saved for 'special occasions' because he felt they were very potent and clean. "A guy I know tested these in a Dutch drugtesting centre", he said, "and they're around 135-145 mg". In my mind I immediately called bullshit, because that's WAY above the mean expected average. Unfortunately most experienced E users around here are straight E-tards whose motto is "don't think, eat the roll" so I'm not very inclined to take anything anyone says seriously, even when they mean it.

I scraped a pinch of powder off the pill (which is a "blue dolphin", btw) and dropped the reagent. In a fraction of a second, like *poof*, the reagent went really dark blue (even black). This means there's definitely MDMA in there (if it were MDA, the reagent would have turned blue more slowly).

Now here's the problem:
Another person who tried these for his second time rolling said it felt really good toward the end of the experience, although standing still made him very nauseous (almost puked), and he pannicked somewhat during the first hour because it was too much intense for him. This person has never tried hallucinogens in his life other than MDMA so he felt uncomfortable being "in a completely different world" in his words. Also says he was trying to play soccer but could barely see the ball in front of him.

Being a first time user of these (apparently) strong ass rolls, I would REALLY hate it if I pannicked the way that other guy did, and I want my first time rolling to be nothing short of perfect. I don't want my roll to be too weak either. Now, me having experience with medium to high mushroom and acid trips, how would you recommend I take this roll? Should I only use half for my first experience and save a full blown roll for a later time? Maybe take three quarters of it first and the rest during the peak? Take it all at once?

I'll consider the advice given, make a choice and report back later. Thanks.

If i were you, I'd take the whole roll. Hell, I'd probably buy another 1-2 to have on hand in case the experiance wasn't intense enough.

Its pretty hard to freak out on MDMA, at least in my oppinion. The other kid must have been a puss, you have nothing to worry about- especially if you're experianced with psychedellics.

Just pop it and enjoy yourself man.

you will be dissapointed if you do not take the full thing at once

This.

Also, quick question: Does MDMA come in the form of crystals or powder? Because i bought a gel pill with crystal inside from a guy who claimed it was pure molly, in fact he swore by it. Though this guys reputation for E is rather shitty (mostly a bearer of meth-bombs). I normally would just take the pill even if it is just meth, amps or caffine, But this time im doing it with my girlfriend and i promised her she would have a great time.

This.

Also, quick question: Does MDMA come in the form of crystals or powder? Because i bought a gel pill with crystal inside from a guy who claimed it was pure molly, in fact he swore by it. Though this guys reputation for E is rather shitty (mostly a bearer of meth-bombs). I normally would just take the pill even if it is just meth, amps or caffine, But this time im doing it with my girlfriend and i promised her she would have a great time.

MDMA comes in crystal form from time to time. Still if the guy's got a bad rep with E it could be meth.

This.

Also, quick question: Does MDMA come in the form of crystals or powder? Because i bought a gel pill with crystal inside from a guy who claimed it was pure molly, in fact he swore by it. Though this guys reputation for E is rather shitty (mostly a bearer of meth-bombs). I normally would just take the pill even if it is just meth, amps or caffine, But this time im doing it with my girlfriend and i promised her she would have a great time.

Pure MDMA aka Molly comes in crystals/shards; they should be a light brown to an off-tan color. Although as you said this guy is notorious for meth bombs, so just watch out. If this guy has been giving you shit all this time, I find it rather difficult to believe that hes got molly now. Although you really never know...

And to the op: Take the whole roll, if you take half im sure your going to be disapointed. Some people just simply react differnt to e, just like they do to any other drugs. Some people can eat an 1/8th of shrooms and have a wonderful time; others will eat a 1/8 and they will start freaking out and have a bad trip. Dont base your dosage on the fact that some other guy had an intense/bad trip.
It's your first time, make it worthwhile.

Don't take half, take the whole thing.

If it's your first time and they're strong (which you suggest), then I'd advise you take a half to begin with. Be cautious in case you're allergic; it's always best to start at a low dose when trying a new drug. When you're up, drop the other half and you'll have a blast.

If you want to snort it, I'd suggest saving that for another time. It can be pretty intense for a noob, and you might end up panicking.

If you start feeling nauseous - which you very well might your first couple of times - just sit down with a friend, have some water, and chill for a bit. If you need to throw up, do so, but watch to see if you expel any of your roll... just in case.

I think the biggest thing to get over is the anxiety of trying something new. Try, if you can, to forget about taking it; go have a dance or talk to a mate and you'll come up like a motherbitch. The first couple times I did it I kept frantically looking at the clock and felt proper nervous - when I was up it was all good though :).

Above all, enjoy it. MDMA is a wonderful thing and always feels strongest the first couple of time you do it. You're in for a fun ride.

Um, marquis reagent only indicates the presence of an MDxx compound, your statement about the rate of reaction is false.


And you say the color was almost black, and also mentioned the word poof, which incites the idea of smoke being produced. Was there ANY smoke at all?


If your reagent turns black, and there is smoke produced from the reaction, it is NOT MDMA. It is, in fact, DXM.



The ideal reaction you are seeking would be a very dark purple color, with a black ring around it. All black does not indicate MDxx.


Go read up on the reagent, and you will have a better understanding. It also takes a bit of practice and experience with it to accurately read results. Sometimes it can be vague, or confusing for new users, and sometimes the reaction can take some time as well, in fact, I have yet to see a reaction that happened as FAST as you claim.


Even more evidence of DXM.

never tried hallucinogens in his life other than MDMA

Since when is MDMA a freaking hallucinogen?

Since when is MDMA a freaking hallucinogen?

You serious?

You serious?

I was under the impression that it was a stimulant.
Am I wrong?

Edit: Nevermind. Wikipedia says it's a little bit of both.

Pretty much the more you take the more of a hallucinogen it is.

Pure MDMA is far easier to obtain around here than pills are! Guess I'm just lucky. :D

Yeah, don't take half the pill.

Oh and pure MDMA can be powdered or in crystals - but often the only reason it would be powdered is because its been cut.

Take the pill, and using a clean decent knife, chop about a 5th off it. Take what's left orally, and crush up the 5th into powder. If its not strong enough, or you're feeling fantastic and want to up the high a little, rail the rest of the pill.

If the guy wasn't lieing, and there was approximately 130 - 140mg of MDMA in there, a 5th off the pill should leave you with 104 - 112mg orally, which probably wouldn't be bad for a first time dose, especially if you're fairly light weight, and then the rest to rail when you're slowing down a little, if you wish.

Sorry if this is "quick"...

I scraped a pinch of powder off the pill (which is a "blue dolphin", btw) and dropped the reagent.

I like the way you state the stamp with dismissing it in favor of analytical chemistry. Good job.

1. There is no "high potency E," a molecule is a molecule is a molecule.
1.1 Closest you can get is purity, 'n if that detectably alters weight-potency, you got dirt below the dirt.

2. Watch very carefully for (primarly named/noted) 'lookalike' reactions, doubly so if reaction is highly idiosyncratic.
2.1 After you learn that, thin-layer chromatography is the next step. If you're creative, it can be done with items found at any rave. If you're normally resourceful, it can be done with the items found at some raves.
2.2 Tabs -> binderless is an option if desired.

Edit: Nevermind. Wikipedia says it's a little bit of both.

You should see what they classify cannabinoid agonists as.

MHO was "euphoriant-empathogen." Dual class for its primary effects. Other people will create different categorization schema. DARE classification schema suck ass for the real thing.

IMO.

(edit... the fuck? This is the same thread? Fuckinhigh)

First of all thanks for the advice and I think I'm gonna go with swallowing the entire pill. I forgot to mention that I'm a pretty tall and heavy person so I guess that seals the deal.

Um, marquis reagent only indicates the presence of an MDxx compound, your statement about the rate of reaction is false.


And you say the color was almost black, and also mentioned the word poof, which incites the idea of smoke being produced. Was there ANY smoke at all?


If your reagent turns black, and there is smoke produced from the reaction, it is NOT MDMA. It is, in fact, DXM.



The ideal reaction you are seeking would be a very dark purple color, with a black ring around it. All black does not indicate MDxx.


Go read up on the reagent, and you will have a better understanding. It also takes a bit of practice and experience with it to accurately read results. Sometimes it can be vague, or confusing for new users, and sometimes the reaction can take some time as well, in fact, I have yet to see a reaction that happened as FAST as you claim.


Even more evidence of DXM.

Yeah, sorry about that MDA part, I meant to write DXM there. However, I never said the colour was all black. What I said was dark blue and even black [in some places]. I didn't mean for the word *poof* to indicate bubbles or smoke, I was just trying to convey the speed with which the reagent changed colours. Which was almost immediately upon contact, and turning a gradually darker shade purple/dark blue over the course of the next 30 seconds.

Now that I know there's either MDMA or one of its cousins in the pill (unfortunately not taking into account the possibility of there being smaller amounts of other chems present), I believe I've minimized the risk of taking a first bad roll as far as my limited knowledge of chemistry will allow.

I'd take 3/4 and take the other quarter after 45 minutes to an hour if you're feeling great. 100mg is plenty for a first-time hit. It'd probably be fine to take the whole thing, but it can be a bit scary to come up too fast if you're not experienced with it. I'm not sure I'd take 140mg in one go myself, but then again I like to drink/dab it so I come up more evenly. I wouldn't only take half, though, your first time is the best and you want it to hit you hard enough to get that "woooaah, what the fuck, this is amazing" feeling.

My first time I had a third of a gram over about three hours, felt better than I ever had before for the first hour and a half but kept having a bit more when I was still up (we had a gram in a water bottle between three of us), felt pretty horrible for a while after that and ended up throwing up. A friend of mine recently had her first time on about 50mg (at an estimate) and another few 10mgish dabs over the next hour or two and was speedy, chatted a lot of shit and really happy, but as far as I know it never fully hit them and they didn't get the full experience. Aim for something in the middle.

Where do you plan to do it? If you're going out to a rave or something, don't drop ~140mg in one go on your first time. It doesn't hit as hard when you're in a more relaxed environment, but it's your call really.

just do the whole thing, damn it.

For real, people outside of England don't know how to double drop.

stupid noobs answer makes the most sense to me. i've only seen people panic from MDMA on EXTREMELY high doses, yet with DXM i've seen many people freak out their first time because they underestimate it.

First of all thanks for the advice and I think I'm gonna go with swallowing the entire pill. I forgot to mention that I'm a pretty tall and heavy person so I guess that seals the deal.



Yeah, sorry about that MDA part, I meant to write DXM there. However, I never said the colour was all black. What I said was dark blue and even black [in some places]. I didn't mean for the word *poof* to indicate bubbles or smoke, I was just trying to convey the speed with which the reagent changed colours. Which was almost immediately upon contact, and turning a gradually darker shade purple/dark blue over the course of the next 30 seconds.

Now that I know there's either MDMA or one of its cousins in the pill (unfortunately not taking into account the possibility of there being smaller amounts of other chems present), I believe I've minimized the risk of taking a first bad roll as far as my limited knowledge of chemistry will allow.


That's what it's all about man, harm reduction. And like JoePedo said, learn some chromatography, with that, and test kits, you can be damn near certain what's there.


I am working on kits for that as well, but have been a bit lazy about it. It requires a bit more explanation than test kits.

I repeat myself far too much, but pure MDMA ftw

Oh man if you find some off-tannish/light brown shards and someone tells you its molly..

Buy that shit. Better than rolls any day