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Old 2008-07-26, 21:28
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Default Doing Drugs.

Would it be considered a sin?

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Old 2008-07-26, 21:35
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Would it be considered a sin?

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There is no God.
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Old 2008-07-26, 21:37
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depends what sort of drugs da , if it is good drugs then god will not mind and maybe even encourage us, though the bad ones he would be very annoyed!!! and may even make us go to hell
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Old 2008-07-26, 21:44
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I don't know, I've always wondered about that.

The most fundamental religious types think that any sort of intoxication is a sin, but they also think that masturbation is a sin along with having sex in any position other than missionary. Fundamentalists FTL

Christian monks in Europe have been brewing high gravity beers for hundreds of years now, for them alcohol intoxication is a form of transcendental spirituality.

It's kind of common sense that fucking yourself up is wrong and Christian faith typically considers any unhealthy practice to be a sin by defiling the house of God (your body). So, yeah, doing drugs is probably a sin.

But there's nothing in principle wrong with drug taking, it's only wrong if it is effecting you negatively, you consciously reflect on this, and continue taking your poison of choice. And even then it's not wrong in a moral sense, only an ethical one. And most of us could give fuckall for morals or ethics, so toke up little buddy.
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Old 2008-07-26, 21:47
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Who's to say which drugs are bad and which ones are fine?

I do drugs mainly because they make me feel better and the people who call them bad are ones who have had bad experiences with them because they overused or ignorant people who have an opinion yet have never tried them themselves.

SO WHOS TO SAY WHICH ARE BAD OR GOOD?
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Old 2008-07-26, 22:10
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Old 2008-07-26, 22:26
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i guess it depends on what you would consider a sin and what society deems as a sinful act. =x
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Old 2008-07-26, 22:27
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Its only bad if you have the wrong attitute towards it, drinking a little and smoking some bud with your friends? Nothing wrong at all, fiending for coke? Thats bad.
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Old 2008-07-26, 23:08
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Well, if you mean sin in a biblical context: I would say no.

I am an atheist with respect to all religions, but from my interpretation of Christian theology:

- God created the universe, and God created us in his image.
- Our brains contain numerous receptors which bind to particular molecules.
- Some of these molecules exert an influence on our perception.

I would argue that if God intended for us not to use drugs, then he wouldn't have created a mechanism whereby the drugs can exert effects on our brains.

There are of course the Rastafarians, who closely follow Christian views and values. (And smoke a lot of pot.)

With regards to other religions? History is filled with examples of religions who use drugs (and meditation) to induce visions and other spiritual experiences.

This may be of interest to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacological_cult
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Old 2008-07-26, 23:23
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There is no God.

you're probably one of those 16 year olds that listen to Lamb Of God and shop at hot topic because they are so hard core to hate god.
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Old 2008-07-26, 23:37
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Are you a Mormon? No?

Then party it up!
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Old 2008-07-26, 23:44
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Even if it is a sin, God forgives sins, so don't worry about it.
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Old 2008-07-26, 23:51
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I don't think its a sin, because it never directly mentions it in the bible.

And

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).

and alot of people use psychedelics for spiritual use, so I guess there fine.
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Old 2008-07-26, 23:58
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Altering your own state of mind considered immoral and wrong? Giving varying levels of "wrongness" to different psychoactives?

Clearly the result of flawed human logic.
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Old 2008-07-26, 23:59
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"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).

Eating meat for survival is a little different to getting wasted. It doesn't say: "Every moving thing that liveth shall be for you to get stoned;"

There is however the classic example of the anointing oil which contains cannabis (I can't be fucked looking for the passage, it is in Revelation ... I think).

Hell, caffeine and nicotine are drugs, but most religions have nothing against it. (Poor Mormons <- Almost spelled it morons, go figure).
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Old 2008-07-27, 00:53
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Mushrooms always tell me drugs are bad, but I never listen. As for being a sin? No, unless you belong to some fucked up religion that prohibits happiness.
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Old 2008-07-27, 01:18
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Mushrooms always tell me drugs are bad, but I never listen. As for being a sin? No, unless you belong to some fucked up religion that prohibits happiness.

Like mormonism?
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Old 2008-07-27, 01:44
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There are no sins, there is no hell, just metaphors for states of minds and things that obstruct the rest of your life experience.

Theres no "penalty" for doing drugs (or anything), imo. Becoming someone who cares about nothing else but drugs is becoming someone who ignores the rest of reality, and this could be seen as bad.

Instead of obsession over one part of life, I think we should all strive for the infinite, however we see it.
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Old 2008-07-27, 02:22
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I don't know, I've always wondered about that.

The most fundamental religious types think that any sort of intoxication is a sin, but they also think that masturbation is a sin along with having sex in any position other than missionary. Fundamentalists FTL

Christian monks in Europe have been brewing high gravity beers for hundreds of years now, for them alcohol intoxication is a form of transcendental spirituality.

It's kind of common sense that fucking yourself up is wrong and Christian faith typically considers any unhealthy practice to be a sin by defiling the house of God (your body). So, yeah, doing drugs is probably a sin.

But there's nothing in principle wrong with drug taking, it's only wrong if it is effecting you negatively, you consciously reflect on this, and continue taking your poison of choice. And even then it's not wrong in a moral sense, only an ethical one. And most of us could give fuckall for morals or ethics, so toke up little buddy.
This. I've wondered about it breifly, like moments of fleeting thought. I always thought that so long as it wasn't harming me or anyone else in a negative way then its probably ok. Although that doesn't mean I'm not going to hell for it.
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Old 2008-07-27, 04:18
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Its a sin in the same way that the inquisition was doing gods work.
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Old 2008-07-27, 04:24
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Ha, i feel sorry for you religious fagots who are restricted for NO REASON.
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Old 2008-07-27, 04:28
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Ha, i feel sorry for you religious fagots who are restricted for NO REASON.


Their religion is the reason. It is self-perpetuating.

How does it feel to be so bigoted?
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Old 2008-07-27, 04:38
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Jesus Drank Wine. Jesus is God. Alcohol is a drug.

I win.
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Old 2008-07-27, 04:38
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Ha, i feel sorry for you religious fagots who are restricted for NO REASON.


Yeah you're a really stupid "fagot."
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