What would a good first dosage be?

I have acquired [I think] 200mg of DHC, and I've heard some people say it's the same strength as codeine, some say it's twice as strong, and some say it's 3 times as strong.

So if anyone here has used DHC recreationally before, what would be a good amount to take?

I'm thinking taking 80 tonight and 120 in a couple of days. I would take all the 200mg at once, but ya know, I cba doing a CWE. And 4,000mg and 6,000mg of APAP isn't going to be *too* bad if I give it a good few days inbetween.

Or should I take all 200mg and hope I don't die due to hepatic failure?

The LD50 of APAP is 200mg/kg, so in theory I could take up to 13,200mg of APAP before I succumb, but I don't really wanna risk it.

Never tried it, but a quick search of erowid finds this;
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Pharms_Dihydrocodeine.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=33919
That guy took 180ml, close enough amount to yours, and had a pleasent yet uneventful trip, with a nice afterglow.

EDIT:Very it is pure, and doenst contain acetaminophen.

http://www.erowid.org/pharms/dihydrocodeine/

Main vault, with basic info.

Lol yea I checked Erowid yesterday :p But it really doesn't have a lot of information at all, apart from that 1 experience report. And that guys a lot heavier than me as well if I'm not mistaken.

Edit - also, just out of interest, does the expiration date on medications matter that much, or is it just there to protect the companies who make it?

IMO dihydrocodeine is 2x potency of codeine, and more euphoric to boot (so maybe like 2.5x the potency...?). Nice find. And yeah I guess that much tylenol is ok as long as you dont drink w/it (and drinking does make it more fun, so maybe consider a CWE if you wouldnt mind drinking w/it).

I'm guessing you got the pills with no caffeine, if they do have caffeine you'll need more dihydro to get off, but I figure yours are caffeine free, and only have tylenol with the dihydro.

If you do a CWE, and boil off some of the water, you could put the water in a nasal sprayer and snort the dihydro, making its effects more potent. Something to think about as well.

Most importantly, do you use any kind of opiates on a regular basis, b/c if you do you might need the full 200 mg to get off. If you are not a regular user, then yeah 80-100 mg per dose should do you good.

Edit: The exp. date doesnt usually matter, unless we're talking in years not months past the expiration date. In any case, the drug(s) might just be slightly less potent unless like 5-10 years have gone by.

Yes, a drug can expire.

Not all chemical compounds are stable and can break down over time. The simple exposure to air, light or the wrong temperature can change a drug.

In a container though, these effects will be minimised, not stopped. So it should have a long time before it expieres, but yes it doe.

Is this expired? If it has, how long by?

Possibly expired :p But like, only by a few years, which is how I got them, cos I asked my mate if I could have them as they were out of date.

To Mr Elusive - don't use opiates, last time I did it was poppy tea like back in March. And no they don't have caffeine, I'm no fool.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=49320

^Here's a report where the guy only needed 60 mg (w/weed)

But if your pills are expired, esp. by a year or two, then I'd say you might need to take more than 60 mg (though it would be nice to get 3 doses not 2, I know how that is, but 2 good doses is better than 3 mild ones)

I'd say all things considered take like 90 mg then 110 mg next time. With weed, that does make the high better in my experience (though I had pills w/caffeine unfortunately, had to wait coupla hours till the caffeine wore out before I felt the opiate high, there arent any formulations of DHC in the US without caffeine, just that Synalgos crap)

Lol that guys like 35kg heavier than me.

I don't really smoke weed anymore though, I pretty much quit. So I don't have any pot to smoke with it, or money to buy any.

Should I take anti-histamines and drink grapefruit juice before? Does that potentiate it or weaken it, I can never remember.

After a bit more googling, I stumbled upon this;
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/460159

TL;DR:
Second, medical authorities uniformly say it is safe to take drugs past their expiration date -- no matter how "expired" the drugs purportedly are.

So basically, youll be reyt:)

Grapefruit juice definately, all the way. Get that 100% white grapefruit juice (make sure its 100% GF juice not a juice cocktail), the white grapefruit has more of the enzymes you want than the red juice, it'll be in the bottled juice section of places like Wal-Mart (cheap as hell in wal mart). If you go somewhere where you cant find the white GF juice DONT buy that Ruby juice "cocktail" go to the refrigerated juice section where they keep the refrigerated orange juice and find the Florida's Natural brand 100% grapefruit juice, it'll be the red GF juice but will be 100% juice if thats what you want.

As for antihistamines, they make your high more sedating but can potentiate it, and prevents itchiness from the opiate. Mostly its not a bad idea but dont use more than 75-100 mg of Benadryl, or no more than 150-200 mg of Dramamine.

IMO dihydrocodeine is 2x potency of codeine, and more euphoric to boot (so maybe like 2.5x the potency...?). Nice find. And yeah I guess that much tylenol is ok as long as you dont drink w/it (and drinking does make it more fun, so maybe consider a CWE if you wouldnt mind drinking w/it).

I'm guessing you got the pills with no caffeine, if they do have caffeine you'll need more dihydro to get off, but I figure yours are caffeine free, and only have tylenol with the dihydro.

If you do a CWE, and boil off some of the water, you could put the water in a nasal sprayer and snort the dihydro, making its effects more potent. Something to think about as well.

Most importantly, do you use any kind of opiates on a regular basis, b/c if you do you might need the full 200 mg to get off. If you are not a regular user, then yeah 80-100 mg per dose should do you good.

Edit: The exp. date doesnt usually matter, unless we're talking in years not months past the expiration date. In any case, the drug(s) might just be slightly less potent unless like 5-10 years have gone by.


I got some vicodin from 02 and it got me high.

Ok, DHC is a lot stronger than I thought it was going to be, even at 80mg :D

i would do a cwe because 6000 mg of tylenol in one dose is probably going to make your stomach hurt like a mother fucker and make u puke, it aint no where near deadly but it will be unpleasant

im 140 - 150 pounds. DHC fucks me up at 60 - 90 mgs with weed, giving me sum excelent visuals and a fantastic body high.
without weed however id need 120 - 150 to feel anything substantial. if i where u id do it just with weed or eat it all if no weed and you will nod off wit a big smile ;)

The euphoria is a step up from codeine dont you think?

What opiates have you done, what kinda doses, an how was the euphoria?

I really like DHC now - before I got 10 pure 30mg pills OTC at a pharmacy, I wasn't that great a fan of it cos I had to CWE it from APAP pills, and the leftover APAP gave me stomach cramps and not much euphoria. But last week I got offered them by a pharmacist, thought 'what the hell, they're like £1 for 10', took all 300mgs and had a fucking great time. Nodded my arse off for hours, and I'm fucking kicking myself for not buying up all they had in stock. Oh well, there's always next time...

The euphoria is a step up from codeine dont you think?

What opiates have you done, what kinda doses, an how was the euphoria?

DHC is so much better than codeine.

I've only done codeine upto 360mg, poppy tea using 4 pods, and now DHC. DHC was by far the best, I could barely keep my eyes open at all, trying to watch tv and I just couldn't move or open my eyes, but I couldn't go to sleep either. It was amazing.

I don't see peoples problem with APAP, I've never seen a need to CWE unless potentially taking more than 7,000mg of it, otherwise the loss of the good stuff isn't worth it.

I think I'm just guna split my 120mg left into 2 60mg doses and find some weed, I probably wouldn't need it anyway. 80mg was so strong and lovely.

That must have been codeine phosphate, you can get that in 30s without any APAP. If you took 300mg of DHC, i have a hard time believing you'd just have a nice nod (unless you're opiate tolerant). Codeine can still be very strong, and the equivalent of 600mg (at least...) of codeine phosphate is enough to make some people O.D...

I've got poppies, so i'd rather make poppy tea, but it does last ages, where as codeine is kinda better if you don't want to still feel a bit drained the day after. I might get some paramol and CWE the DHC, at some point, but yeh, like you said, even the traces of APAP can be nasty, and it seriously tastes FOUL. I don't subscribe to the Meta view you can neck tons of APAP without any problems either... i've had kinda nasty kidney and liver pains off even a few grams, so i try and be careful...

Yea I don't believe he took 300mg after I took 80mg and could barely keep my eyes open.

What did you enjoy more reject the 80 mg DHC or the time you took the 360 mg codeine?

Dihydro is not weak stuff, they were thinking of trying to maintain heroin addicts on dihydro rather than methadone, but the methadone won out (b/c of its longevity I think)

That must have been codeine phosphate, you can get that in 30s without any APAP. If you took 300mg of DHC, i have a hard time believing you'd just have a nice nod (unless you're opiate tolerant). Codeine can still be very strong, and the equivalent of 600mg (at least...) of codeine phosphate is enough to make some people O.D...

It was DHC, not codeine, there was no APAP in them, and yeah I do have a tolerance. I bought them in the blisters, saw the chemical name and dosage per pill with my own eyes, and took all 10. I've taken doses much higher than 300mgs before (don't know how much exactly, cos of CWE loss, but definitely over 600mgs on a few occasions) - this was just the first time it was DHC alone, no APAP, and it was a lot fucking better.

Yea I don't believe he took 300mg after I took 80mg and could barely keep my eyes open.

Why the fuck would I lie about it? Isn't DHC like only the second opiate you've tried (after codeine), hence the difference between our doses? Also, enjoy that tolerance while you have it.

What did you enjoy more reject the 80 mg DHC or the time you took the 360 mg codeine?

80mg DHC for sure, it's no contest.

I used to cane the fuck out of DHC (10/500) seeing as its pretty common for injuries/pain in the UK. I used to take about 130mg at a time and that lasts about 5-6 hours if i was lucky :P and yeah its 2x the strength of codeine.

In Paramol it's 7.5mg DHC, and that's OTC. For sure this is going to be my new drug of choice.

32 tablets in Paramol, that's like 3 dosages for just under £5.