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Old 2008-07-23, 15:52
Mc. Black Mc. Black is offline
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Default Acacia Berlandieri

I just read about this species of Acacia that has a lot of psychedelic substances.

it has:

-DMT
-Mescaline.
- natural Amphetamines.
-Nicotine.

I dont know much, I haven not tried it yet.

DMT and Mescaline are both hallucinogenic. Mescaline is the active in peyote and San Pedro.

What holds me back is the amphetamines.

Should I give it a try, or has anyone tried it?

If anyone has or does, let me know how it was.
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Old 2008-07-23, 15:59
Poop Dookie Shit Turd Poop Dookie Shit Turd is offline
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I'm not sure how you're supposed to take it, but nicotine isn't very fun when swallowed.
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Old 2008-07-23, 16:05
the half unlit the half unlit is offline
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Where did you even find it?
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Old 2008-07-23, 16:14
JustAnotherAsshole JustAnotherAsshole is offline
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While on the subject, I found out that I have Salvia Divinorum growing in the front and back yard. I didn't believe it at first and only realized what it was after about an hour of googling in disbelief. It's a nice discovery.
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Old 2008-07-23, 16:58
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Originally Posted by the half unlit
Where did you even find it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri

I never heard of this shit either.

Weird.
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Old 2008-07-23, 17:20
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While on the subject, I found out that I have Salvia Divinorum growing in the front and back yard. I didn't believe it at first and only realized what it was after about an hour of googling in disbelief. It's a nice discovery.


how on earth, are you sure you have salvia growing, if uve had your house for 10 years and didnt plant it its something else, salvia doesnt regerminate salvia has to be cut up and replanted
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Old 2008-07-23, 17:34
Mc. Black Mc. Black is offline
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how on earth, are you sure you have salvia growing, if uve had your house for 10 years and didnt plant it its something else, salvia doesnt regerminate salvia has to be cut up and replanted

Not necessarily.
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Old 2008-07-23, 17:49
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someone should really try this
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Old 2008-07-23, 17:51
Mc. Black Mc. Black is offline
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I may try smoke it this friday, see how it goes.
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Old 2008-07-23, 17:56
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does it grow around you or something?
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Old 2008-07-23, 18:07
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EEK!Nice find i have never heard of this plant!!!
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Old 2008-07-23, 18:44
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Default Re: Acacia Berlandieri

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Originally Posted by Mc. Black
I just read about this species of Acacia that has a lot of psychedelic substances.

it has:

-DMT
-Mescaline.
- natural Amphetamines.
-Nicotine.

I dont know much, I haven not tried it yet.

DMT and Mescaline are both hallucinogenic. Mescaline is the active in peyote and San Pedro.

What holds me back is the amphetamines.

Should I give it a try, or has anyone tried it?

If anyone has or does, let me know how it was.


There are hundreds of Acacia species that contain psychoactive substances.
You are a fucking idiot.

Not only are the concentrations of psychoactive substances very very low, but are not commonly concentrated in the leaves.....root/bark/root-bark maybe.....

And this is particular species is not fit for an extraction, due to a number of unwanted substances such as nicotine.

Also note that the amounts for Tryptamine is in the fucking "Parts Per Billion"

As far as finding something that contains DMT, in your own neck of the woods..... is not that fucking hard.
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Old 2008-07-23, 19:10
Tecratal Tecratal is offline
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Yeah its pretty useless if you want to trip off it... you would OD off the amphetamines before you tripped most likely. A very strong extract though might yield something enjoyable though. Also it has very low concentrations of alkaloids in general and I couldn't find anything saying there was more in the bark/roots. So leaves are probably your best source since you don't have to kill the thing to harvest them.

As far as dmt goes i suggest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalaris_(grass) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalaris_(grass)) It grows fast and you could harvest it with a lawnmower with a bag attached... mmm field full of dmt. You have to extract it of course though.
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Old 2008-07-23, 19:39
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Acacia rigidula has a similar alkaloid content. And this (http://www.supplements.net/Stimerx-ES-Stimerx-ES-Hi-Tech-Hi-Tech-p/stimerexes-no-eph-90ct-hitech.htm&click=2?gclid=CLOppuLf1pQCFQQrFQodsnb5kw) has an extract of acacia rigidula present in it. The hallucinogenic alkaloids are in such small quantity, it is hardly worth mentioning. But the amps may be of use.
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Old 2008-07-23, 21:30
Mc. Black Mc. Black is offline
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There are hundreds of Acacia species that contain psychoactive substances.
You are a fucking idiot.

Not only are the concentrations of psychoactive substances very very low, but are not commonly concentrated in the leaves.....root/bark/root-bark maybe.....

And this is particular species is not fit for an extraction, due to a number of unwanted substances such as nicotine.

Also note that the amounts for Tryptamine is in the fucking "Parts Per Billion"

As far as finding something that contains DMT, in your own neck of the woods..... is not that fucking hard.

I specified which specie in the title, jackass. And why call me idiot, fucking dick suck, we've never even talked before or anything.

If the hallucinogenic is low, at least the amphetamine could be of some use.

There is also a thing called distillation, retard.

If youre gonna cry and make a scene about if just put your finger in your ass and fuck off.
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Old 2008-07-23, 21:39
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how on earth, are you sure you have salvia growing, if uve had your house for 10 years and didnt plant it its something else, salvia doesnt regerminate salvia has to be cut up and replanted

I never mentioned how long I've lived in this house.

My mother apparently purchased the plants for their foliage from home depot a few months ago.

Also, a plant that just lives for a while then dies off doesn't seem to make sense. Are you sure it doesn't re-germinate?
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Old 2008-07-23, 21:46
SublimeNirvana SublimeNirvana is offline
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This is absolute bullshit. I remember hearing about this a few years ago. Its totally untrue.

"natural amphetamines" don't exist at all
mescaline is only found in a few species of cactus

its really has small amounts of tryptamines and phenylalanines, probably not recreational at all.
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Old 2008-07-23, 21:50
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I specified which specie in the title, jackass. And why call me idiot, fucking dick suck, we've never even talked before or anything.

If the hallucinogenic is low, at least the amphetamine could be of some use.

There is also a thing called distillation, retard.

If youre gonna cry and make a scene about if just put your finger in your ass and fuck off.

god youre an idiot. you would need an entire tree for it to be of any practical use.
and sublime nirvana it is true.
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Old 2008-07-23, 21:57
Tecratal Tecratal is offline
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Considering it has both N,N-Dimethylamphetamine and 4-Methoxyamphetamine in it and it produces it on its own, I do believe that could be considered natural amphetamines.

And you would probably only need a pound or so of vegetation off the tree to get a dose worth. Not worth it unless you just wanna try it for the sake of trying something different. Which to me it would be :)
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Old 2008-07-24, 01:00
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there was a thread like this about three months ago. yes it has meth in it or whatever, but you have to eat an entire tree to feel effects, and by that point, youd be dead. dont say, "Oh but i can extract it!" thats gonna take like a year, might as well make it from pseudo
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Old 2008-07-24, 01:07
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SwIm tryed to make a extract of the NZ version of this plant (tree) (Acacia Longifolia ?).
Did the whole A/B thing on a 200gms bark alcohol extract, came up with nothing much.

There was a smell from the bark extract that gave swIm the idea that there Was something that is good/bad/Evil in there.
But, yeah it came to nothing.

SwIm wasn't trying to make a product, just FYI.
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Old 2008-07-24, 02:08
Mc. Black Mc. Black is offline
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Originally Posted by SublimeNirvana
This is absolute bullshit. I remember hearing about this a few years ago. Its totally untrue.

"natural amphetamines" don't exist at all
mescaline is only found in a few species of cactus

its really has small amounts of tryptamines and phenylalanines, probably not recreational at all.


ehm, wikipedia?
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Old 2008-07-24, 07:03
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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Default Re: Acacia Berlandieri

I never mentioned how long I've lived in this house.

My mother apparently purchased the plants for their foliage from home depot a few months ago.

Also, a plant that just lives for a while then dies off doesn't seem to make sense. Are you sure it doesn't re-germinate?

Two words, annuals/ perennials.
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Old 2008-07-24, 07:06
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EEK!Nice find i have never heard of this plant!!!


Because you're a new arrival.

For everyone else, I just thought you should know that Acacias, specifically including Berlandieri also contain poisons (and no I'm not talking about nicotine Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)). Not likely to kill in recreational doses but I don't know if I want to deal with an acute self-poisoning while trippin' teh balls on DMT.
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Old 2008-07-24, 14:45
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Ya a new arrival thats been lurking for the last 7 years so i guess i must have missed the posts on this plantRoll Eyes (Sarcastic) it's still an interesting plant even if it's not useful.
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Old 2008-07-24, 16:54
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Default Re: Acacia Berlandieri

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Originally Posted by SublimeNirvana
This is absolute bullshit. I remember hearing about this a few years ago. Its totally untrue.

"natural amphetamines" don't exist at all
mescaline is only found in a few species of cactus

its really has small amounts of tryptamines and phenylalanines, probably not recreational at all.



You need to shut up. You're right(ish) but for the wrong reasons.

As it stands the original research and assays performed on this plant have been called into doubt a number of times - From other work done, it seemd unlikely that such a broad spectrum of compounds are expressed in the plant.
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Old 2008-07-25, 17:14
Mc. Black Mc. Black is offline
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Because you're a new arrival.

For everyone else, I just thought you should know that Acacias, specifically including Berlandieri also contain poisons (and no I'm not talking about nicotine Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)). Not likely to kill in recreational doses but I don't know if I want to deal with an acute self-poisoning while trippin' teh balls on DMT.

That may be the reason no one has tried it.

Acacias, I dont know specifically which, are used to make Arabic Gum and Guar Gum used in foods, but also, that is made from refining specific resins. Id have to do some more research...

As for the dose, I dont know about the others, but I do know there is a lethal dose for nicotine, which is not so low, but better not risk it.

Also, I dont know about carcinogenicity or about any heavy metals that it could contain.
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Old 2008-07-26, 06:54
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That may be the reason no one has tried it.


Yeah - because when you consider you'd need an extraction, they have to have some sort of mental capacity, it's not hard but a total idiot in the boonies isn't probably gonna do it either.

The people who look into it, they research it and check it out, and eventually decide not to, or a very small group of people did it but never reported about it is my guess.
 
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