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| Oh the Humanities! Philosophy, Cultural practices, Social norms, Historical Debate, War, and Sociology. |
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# 1
2008-07-22, 15:28
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Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
1. Hitler acted as a god
2. Nazis claimed racial superiority based on God's fiat
3. Do not take yourself, your prideful lust, seriously
4. The Nazis failed to uphold the law and tradition of their ancestors
5. They taught everything bad must be extinguished (they are Persians)
6. The Nazi wanted to break away from their long standing tradition of living with the Jews and other minorities in peace
7. The Nazi took land without warrant
8. The came with a message of peace and altruism toward humanity but brought death and plague upon the world
9 and 10. They coveted the rich lands of southern Russia, the Middle East and the trade outpost that the UK enjoyed
These are the ten commandments against tyranny the Hun broke. Because of this sin he enjoyed a mighty defeat.
Last edited by Big Steamers; 2008-07-23 at 16:04.
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2008-07-22, 16:01
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
or its due the fact that Hitler didn't listen to his best generals....
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# 3
2008-07-22, 16:08
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
1.He lost because it would have been impossible for the nazi army to successfully invade and occupy the Soviet Union.
2.He might have won also if he didn't delay the ME 262's(jet fighter) development. It was designed to be a fighter, and would have been in full development by the 1944. Hitler delayed the research a full year by demanding that it should be a bomber.
3.Also, if Hitler continued to bomb RAF bases instead of switching to bombing english cities, the RAF would have been completely destroyed allowing for an invasion of England.
Hitler made a lot of mistakes.
If Hitler completed number 3, then his western front would have been exceptionally smaller(Iceland would have to be the base instead of England). If Hitler didn't follow through with 1, he would have had a significantly larger amount of troops at his disposal for more realistic tasks. If Hitler didn't delay the ME262, Germany would have been able to put up a more fierce fight against the advancing allies(The allies relied heavily on air power).
I don't even think he needed to use the jews as a scapegoat. The Allies would have been enough. Think of all the people he put in the camps, and imagine if they were instead used in the military or on the home front. This would have been devastating.
Hitler could also have made his last stand at the Siegfried Line instead of the battle of the Bulge, in which he would have halted the allied advance. But the soviets would still have been all over him.
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2008-07-22, 16:13
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Quite simply: they lost because Hitler was a total dumbass.
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2008-07-23, 06:03
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Uh, no.
What's been said before plus:
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Originally Posted by Big Steamers
5. They taught everything made must be extinguished (they are Persians)
6. The Nazi wanted to break away from their long standing tradition of living with the Jews and other minorities in peace
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I don't know where the fuck number 5 comes from, because the Nazis taught in preserving the Aryan race and making Germany glorius.
To number 6, the reason Hitler and his Nazi group picked the Jews is because there wasn't a long standing tradition of peace. The Jews were a minority before this and that's why the Nazis could scapegoat them. This list is fucking bullshit. |
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2008-07-23, 08:24
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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2. Nazis claimed racial superiority based on God's fiat
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Source please. 
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2008-07-23, 13:53
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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Source please. |
You really need to ask for a source?
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2008-07-23, 14:22
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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You really need to ask for a source?
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Ignore him. He's a troll who should have been banned a long time ago.
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2008-07-23, 15:34
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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To number 6, the reason Hitler and his Nazi group picked the Jews is because there wasn't a long standing tradition of peace. The Jews were a minority before this and that's why the Nazis could scapegoat them. This list is fucking bullshit.
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Not only this, but the jews were hated among common society for a long time. That is why the german citizenry took so easily to it.
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2008-07-23, 16:14
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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Uh, no.
What's been said before plus:
I don't know where the fuck number 5 comes from, because the Nazis taught in preserving the Aryan race and making Germany glorius.
To number 6, the reason Hitler and his Nazi group picked the Jews is because there wasn't a long standing tradition of peace. The Jews were a minority before this and that's why the Nazis could scapegoat them. This list is fucking bullshit.
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Lol, thanks for spotting my mistake. I had meant to say "bad" in place of "made".
I do believe it is true the Jews have not been on good standing with much of Europe especially Martine Luther, but certainly there had never been any such persecution of Jews but perhaps exiling the Jews was common, Spinoza was a Jew!
But as for #6, the Nazis had quite a bit of lust for a pure race rather than a peaceful society.
I used the Nazid as a convenient example. These ten commandments (Catholic) apply to all tyrrants. The Persians, Nebudcanezer, Stalin could all be applied in the same situation.
A tyrrant is simply a ruler who does not abide by the law and this case the law which is most common (I decided to use the ten commandments as a general source).
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2008-07-23, 16:50 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Or you could have just said Stalingrad....
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2008-07-23, 17:32 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
They needed more people for the size of fight they started.
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2008-07-23, 17:51 |
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Same place as r3vVy
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Oh yeah, what about if they stayed cool with Russia and developed the nuke in time?
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2008-07-23, 20:16 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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Oh yeah, what about if they stayed cool with Russia and developed the nuke in time?
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What if Zeus came down from Mount Olympia and joined forces with Hitler. Then they would have won for sure, but it didn't happen so who cares. The Nazi's failed because they were foolish. |
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2008-07-23, 20:48 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Ignore him. He's a troll who should have been banned a long time ago.
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2008-07-23, 23:11 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
The Big Lebowski: Your revolution is over, Mr. Lebowski. Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? The bums will always lose!
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2008-07-24, 20:43 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Troll
There are 2 reasons the Nazis lost:
1. the USA
2. Russia is a bitch to invade.
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2008-07-24, 21:36 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
thanks for the advice ill keep this in mind when I'm commiting a mass genocide and invading Poland...
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2008-07-24, 23:44 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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thanks for the advice ill keep this in mind when I'm commiting a mass genocide and invading Poland...
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2008-07-24, 23:50 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
2. Nazis claimed racial superiority based on God's fiat
god owns a fiat? christ, you'd think he'd be able to get a better ride then that.
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2008-07-24, 23:53 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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There are 2 reasons the Nazis lost:
1. Canada
2. Russia is a bitch to invade.
Fixed.
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2008-07-24, 23:54 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Ignore him. He's a troll who should have been banned a long time ago.
Not everyone who disagrees with a statement is a troll. He could just be an idiot. Similarily, just because one may have trolled, does not make one simply a troll.
I miss the days when words like troll and spam had an actual precise meaning. The steady widening of the definitions of these is quite interesting in an Orwellian lexical sense.
I digress.
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2008-07-24, 23:57 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Troll
There are 2 reasons the Nazis got to the stage where they were a threat to world stability
1. the USA
2. Russia
Made your post a little more accurate. Although that's kind of like polishing a turd.
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2008-07-25, 00:26 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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Quite simply: they lost because Hitler was a total dumbass.
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Best answer here....
The Prussian General staff could walk over all Europe if they so desired... |
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2008-07-25, 00:55 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Made your post a little more accurate. Although that's kind of like polishing a turd.
Oh yea, the UK didn't do any appeasing at all.
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2008-07-25, 01:06 |
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Oh yea, the UK didn't do any appeasing at all.
You do realise you are actually agreeing with my post by saying this, right? So infact, why are you even bringing this up? Did I say the UK did not appease? Did I even mention the UK, or say I care what the UK did or did not do?
Shut up and fuck off.
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2008-07-25, 02:07 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
You do realise you are actually agreeing with my post by saying this, right? So infact, why are you even bringing this up? Did I say the UK did not appease? Did I even mention the UK, or say I care what the UK did or did not do?
Shut up and fuck off.
Yea I totally agreed with what you didn't mention at all. No I wasn't you illiterate douche. You implied that all of the blame fell on the USA and Russia. The UK is a sovereign country completely separate from either of those countries. Congratulations on being a fuckwad.
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2008-07-25, 11:06 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Not everyone who disagrees with a statement is a troll. He could just be an idiot. Similarily, just because one may have trolled, does not make one simply a troll.
I miss the days when words like troll and spam had an actual precise meaning. The steady widening of the definitions of these is quite interesting in an Orwellian lexical sense.
I digress.
He has had infractions for spamming forums and attempting to hack totse, what's more, just about every thread he makes is clearly made with the intent of causing flame wars. He's a nuisance who has been given too many chances.
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2008-07-25, 14:47 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Because his scientists slacked and if they managed to get a nuclear missile before anyone else... the world would be fucking boned.
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2008-07-25, 15:24 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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Originally Posted by Big Steamers
1. Hitler acted as a god
2. Nazis claimed racial superiority based on God's fiat
3. Do not take yourself, your prideful lust, seriously
4. The Nazis failed to uphold the law and tradition of their ancestors
5. They taught everything bad must be extinguished (they are Persians)
6. The Nazi wanted to break away from their long standing tradition of living with the Jews and other minorities in peace
7. The Nazi took land without warrant
8. The came with a message of peace and altruism toward humanity but brought death and plague upon the world
9 and 10. They coveted the rich lands of southern Russia, the Middle East and the trade outpost that the UK enjoyed
These are the ten commandments against tyranny the Hun broke. Because of this sin he enjoyed a mighty defeat.
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you just described zionist jews more than you did "nazis".
Hitler lost because of a language barrier that the jews were able to manipulate. "nazi" is just a word liberals apply to people who dont look at the world like they do, so "nazi's" today aren't much at all like the third reich. The only thing they have in common is that they hate jews. Most "nazi" groups today are more anarchists than fascists, and they hate any government.
nazi is just another buzz word. Germany, and their allies were heavily outnumbered because of most countries being manipulated. For it's size, the German army was probably the best of it's time.
And the third reich was alot more kind than our ancestors were. So I guess thats what you mean by not following their traditions. I'm not a huge fan of Hitler really though. If you ask me, Hitler fathered Zionism. But he was another man with a dream who had the balls to go for it. And also the German and Japanese armies were more brave, and dedicated to their cause. Unlike America. My great grandfather fought because he needed the money. He wasn't going to fly a plane into a ship to get it.
And the US was worse than Hitler ever thought about. Even if Hitler had the power to nuke another country, he wouldn't have. He was all for nature. It was us who dropped an atom bomb on civilians. |
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2008-07-25, 15:30 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
You really need to ask for a source?
http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~niederl/kz/gott_mit_uns.jpg
http://kckloop.org/images/InGodWeTrust_s3.jpg
So the USA claims racial supriority with Gods fiat too?
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2008-07-25, 15:35 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Yea I totally agreed with what you didn't mention at all. No I wasn't you illiterate douche. You implied that all of the blame fell on the USA and Russia. The UK is a sovereign country completely separate from either of those countries. Congratulations on being a fuckwad.
All I did was change someones post, which was about Russia and the USA. It had nothing to do with the UK. If you feel like crying, take it up with the guy who made the original post.
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2008-07-25, 16:00 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
But you implied that all the blame for the Nazis fell on both The USA and Russia.
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2008-07-25, 16:14 |
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But you implied that all the blame for the Nazis fell on both The USA and Russia.
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Can you stop crying over a joke, dude?
I guess I should have just changed his post to include every single reason that hitler became quite powerful, so that you wouldn't shed tears. |
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2008-07-25, 16:20 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
[comment about Americans lacking a sense of humour here]
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2008-07-25, 16:52 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Can you stop crying over a joke, dude?
I guess I should have just changed his post to include every single reason that hitler became quite powerful, so that you wouldn't shed tears.
If that was a joke, it wasn't humourous at all. You can make flavourless statements, you must be the life of the party |
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2008-07-25, 17:03 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
We already know you don't get it, you don't have to tell us again.
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2008-07-25, 17:11 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
You don't have to continue in your futile attempt at humour
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2008-07-25, 17:15 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Obviously, because you are the humour here dude.
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2008-07-25, 17:18 |
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Back on topic, guys.
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2008-07-25, 17:20 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Since this has degraded into ad hominem, I will not be responding anymore, but it really convinces me that it was a joke when you argued it.
Either way, Nazi's lost because they made some sucky decisions and that will never change unless someone builds a time machine and wants the nazis to win. |
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2008-07-25, 17:28 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
You are the humour. That's not an ad hominem - that would be say, your posts calling me an illiterate douche or a fuckwad. YHBT YHL, dude.
You do make an excellent point about the Nazis making sucky decisions though. It sounds like you have a lot of knowledge in this field. Care to explain what these decisions were? We can get this thread back on track yo.
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2008-07-25, 18:30 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
The decision to commit the holocaust cost Nazi Germany millions in manpower. They could have used all of the extra people more efficiently if they were treated better.
During Operation Sealion(invasion of the UK) in an attempt to gain air superiority to initiate the land invasion, the Luftwaffe began destroying the RAF. The RAF pulled off bombing the city of Berlin once. This enraged Hitler and he ordered the bombing of English cities. This allowed the RAF to rebuild, and forever denying German air superiority, and a land invasion of Britain.
Hitler then decided that he would "get to them later" and gave up the land invasion for the time being. This would open up a two front war for Germany to fight.
Hitler had always planned to conquer the western part of Russia, in his book, Mein Kampf, he called this area the Lebensraum or "living space" for the German people. Germany didn't have enough troops to successfully conquer and occupy Russia. (imagine covering your bedroom floor with a cup of water).
Shortly before the planned invasion was to begin, Italy failed in conquering Greece and Yugoslavia would not allow their troops through. Germany was called in to help. This set back the planned invasion about 4 months. Because of this, German troops had to fight during the Russian winter without winter equipment. (gasoline freezing in gas tanks, shit bricks, etc).
The German tanks were very formidable. The Tiger, the Panther, and the Tiger 2 were very large and covered in heavy armor unable to be pierced by bazooka's or allied tank shells. But the transmission wasn't upgraded with the tanks and, due to the extreme weight, would constantly blow. The cannons they had on the turret would sometimes have a recoil so powerful, it would break the turret.
The first jet fighter the ME 262 was planned for development and would be in full production earlier in the war, but were lacking funding because most german generals thought they could win with the conventional aircraft. Hitler wanted it to be and offensive aircraft, rather than a defensive interceptor, slightly delaying the defensive variant when they needed it the most.
D-day could have been handled better. There was a dispute among the Generals in how it should be handled, hampering the German efforts.
Hitler continued push for stalingrad was plagued with confusion. Army Group South(the invasion army to invade Stalingrad, then move south to the USSR's oil fields) was split in two, then was given confusing marching orders. Then Hitler ordered the army to stay in Stalingrad when they were surrounded, instead of breaking out and rejoining friendly forces. This destroyed one of Germany's largest army on the eastern front.
Instead of focusing on capturing Moscow to disrupt Russian command and production, Hitler decided to take out Russia's oil fields in the South.
Hitler could also have made his last stand at the Siegfried Line instead of the battle of the Bulge, in which he would have halted the allied advance. But the soviets would still have been all over him in the east.
The last mistake they made was time. If they simply focused on defeating the western front before they invaded Russia and waited a decade or more, when the population had been indoctrinated, Germany would have had a larger base of manpower. Basically, they didn't take enough time to stabilize.
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2008-07-25, 18:49 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Those are all from me.
I've taken a WW2 class. I passed with an A.
edit: Pick you're favorite points I guess. Buffet style.
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2008-07-25, 18:57 |
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I've taken a WW2 class. I passed with an A.
http://bksschoolhouse.com/cart-imgs/prod13608_lg.jpg
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2008-07-25, 18:58 |
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http://bksschoolhouse.com/cart-imgs/prod13608_lg.jpg
I feel special.
Pick you're favorite points I guess. Buffet style.
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2008-07-25, 19:00 |
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But I don't like history :( Sure someone else can pick it up from here though.
I'm still gonna read it all though, it looks fairly interesting.
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2008-07-25, 19:41 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
My thread has been jihaded. This is not the place I intended to discuss military history but instead to discuss the various principles by which a tyrant is formed and identified by. Perhaps there are logistical arguments as to why the Nazi lost but we are also discussing why he will always lose.
The idea here is to use the natural law of the cosmos to identify those individuals (and nations) which choose to disobey the inevitable and write their own law. They ignore the universal truth and instead dream 4about a better world, a world of their preference, their choosing. No such world exists. This is why every tyrant will fall, this is why every god will burn and why the barbarian will never understand the true nature of civilization.
Taking a look into the current situation I think we may be able to identify a new tyrant in Robert Mugabe. Here is a man professing to be godly, not only godly but the true heir to Nazism. He has debted his country in the Congo Wars in an attempt to gain land and new commercial success (#8,#9). He has stolen land from his own people, murdered his political opposition (#5 and #7). He has repeatedly maintained the stance that he is an altruist (#6).
Truly, I cannot see any event that would leave me to believe has taken the name of god and used it as a shield nor has he disobeyed the laws of his ancestors. Perhaps he is not a tyrant, instead he is a very cunning and deceitful statesman and a national hero, but I see no reason to call him a tyrant.
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2008-07-25, 19:53 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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Your name is very appropriate. Every post you make is like the textual equivalent of a big, steaming dump.
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2008-07-26, 10:47 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
No, the Nazis did not fail because they did not follow your dumbass religion. They failed because they were militarily weak in comparison to the Allied powers. They make a series of mistakes, and were not as self-sufficient as they thought they were. In addition, the military was weakened due to military diversion to the holocaust. There are many, many dictators and such who have not followed Christianity, and still suceeded with their dictatorships.
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2008-07-28, 11:18 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
A war on two fronts is a war you should've avoided.
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2008-07-28, 23:00 |
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America pwned so hard.
*plays the star spangled banner*
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2008-07-28, 23:31 |
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1.Not really, in fact Stalin was the one with the ego problem. He had paintings of himself and statues of himself EVERYWHERE.
2. The nazis claimed racial superiority on flawed science.
4.No, anti-semitism is nothing new to Europe. Neither was the idea of German domination of Eastern Europe.
5. Not exactly, this is a very complicated answer though and I don't think this thread warrants it.
6. No idea where you got this one. Again, racism and anti-semitism was nothing new to Germany or Europe. When the nazis came to power, less than 1% of the german population was jewish; many germans had never even met a jew.
7.Uh hundreds of nations have done this and gotten away with it. Take the Soviets, who picked up in Eastern Europe where the Germans left.
8. No, the Nazis were fairly straight forward with what the would be bring on, err, to others.
9-10. Actually, Hitler had envisaged having an alliance with England. Even after it was obvious this wasn't going to happen, he allowed the british to escape at Dunkirk in hopes the English would seek a peace treaty in his "generosity".
And to those who say the Nazi's couldn't have beaten the soviets, you are crazy. The Germans HAD the soviets defeated, they had a wide open highway to a virtually empty Moscow. Their mistake was, however, that they chose to wheel southwards and take Kiev first, giving time for soldiers from Siberia to reach Moscow and not enough time before winter for them to attack.
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2008-07-29, 06:12 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
And to those who say the Nazi's couldn't have beaten the soviets, you are crazy. The Germans HAD the soviets defeated, they had a wide open highway to a virtually empty Moscow. Their mistake was, however, that they chose to wheel southwards and take Kiev first, giving time for soldiers from Siberia to reach Moscow and not enough time before winter for them to attack.
What, was there a big off switch in Moscow that would shut down the Soviet war machine?
Let's say the Germans actually succeeded in taking Moscow which was virtually empty as you said.
Hell let's even say the Nazis captured and killed Stalin.
What then?
There are still Red Army units out there.
There are still factories in the Urals, Central Asia, and Siberia.
There are still millions of armed Soviet zealots lurking behind Nazi lines.
Do you think they're all just going to meekly surrender and await extermination because Moscow has fallen and Stalin is dead?
The war would not have ended with Moscow.
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2008-07-31, 06:58 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
But he was another man with a dream who had the balls to go for it.
You seem to be forgetting that Hitler's "dream" gassed twelve million people to death. We don't do that. We don't set up death camps for people who aren't our religion/sexual orientation/physical image.
And the US was worse than Hitler ever thought about. Even if Hitler had the power to nuke another country, he wouldn't have. He was all for nature.
...and that's why he had soldiers gunning down / gassing diversity, and scientists trying to breed a superhuman. How very fucking natural.
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Either way, Nazi's lost because they made some sucky decisions and that will never change unless someone builds a time machine and wants the nazis to win.
Someone already did make a time machine man, however we are the tangent line that is slowly collapsing upon itself. We are the ones left for disaster and destruction. 2012 is supposedly the date :) but who knows. Maybe that is the year someone makes a time machine
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2008-08-01, 04:29 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
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A war on two fronts is a war you should've avoided.
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This.
Trying to invade Russia was a complete fuck-up.
Hitler obviously didn't believe in the concept of history repeating itself.
Case in point: Napoleon failing to invade Russia.
1. Hitler acted as a god
8. The came with a message of peace and altruism toward humanity but brought death and plague upon the world
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2008-08-01, 04:43 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
The Nazis lost because Hitler was stupid. Plain and simple. Hitler was not a great military commander, because anytime you mix ideology and military the results aren't good. I believe that heads of state can never make good tactical military decisions.
For example, when the English were able to bomb Berlin, Hitler got angry. So instead of doing the smart tactical military thing, he let his own pride take over his decision making, and bombed English cities instead of the RAF. It was the same thing with Hitler invading Russia. His own ideology was the most important thing to him and he couldn't think tactically and rationally and didn't even listen to his best generals. The same thing with committing the Holocaust, it took away alot of manpower that he could have used to win the war.
btw this is my first post :D
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2008-08-01, 18:58 |
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^^Good post. I'm interested in the role methamphetamine played in WW2, but getting decent information is difficult. Respectable writers don't want to know that the soldiers, and leaders, of every side were out of their mind on speed during the entire farce. It does explain a lot about how the war was fought though. When you think of Hitler as less a rational leader, and more a nutty speed freak, you understand a lot. Churchill and Truman were probably on crank also. Stalin is the only one I think never did drugs, but he supplied cheap half baked ephedrine/amphetamine pills to his soldiers. Stalingrad makes sense to me when I remember everyone was thoroughly toasted the entire time. Historical books about maneuvers and assaults in Stalingrad actually make sense now.
http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-this-is-your-war-on-drugs/
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2008-08-01, 20:39 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
The Germans bombed London before the British bombed Berlin....!!!!
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2008-08-07, 03:27 |
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And the Japanese declared war before they bombed pearl harbour. Unfortunately wikipedia isn't in my favour on this one, but I'm pretty sure they declared war and the fucktards in the white house lost the declaration of war. Hmmm maybe it's a conspiracy theory. Can anyone help me here?
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2008-08-07, 06:47 |
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And the Koreans declared war before they bombed pearl harbour. Unfortunately wikipedia isn't in my favour on this one, but I'm pretty sure they declared war and the fucktards in the white house lost the declaration of war. Hmmm maybe it's a conspiracy theory. Can anyone help me here?
You mean Japanese?
But yes I've heard this many times, all my searching on the web can't really get many critical sources confirming it, But considering as how the japs were into all that honor and shit and thought it was wrong to use a surprise attack, it's believable.
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2008-08-07, 12:49 |
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You mean Japanese?
But yes I've heard this many times, all my searching on the web can't really get many critical sources confirming it, But considering as how the japs were into all that honor and shit and thought it was wrong to use a surprise attack, it's believable.
Yes I did mean Japanese, I get confused between them and the Koreans.
EDIT: Found this (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p119_Stolley.html) link, It sounds like a legit source.
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2008-08-07, 15:13 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
It is better to be feared than loved, Machiavelli said.
Read: The Prince, Chapter 19.
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2008-08-07, 17:11 |
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Yes I did mean Japanese, I get confused between them and the Koreans.
EDIT: Found this (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p119_Stolley.html) link, It sounds like a legit source.
I don't know, that links seems to take it even further than everything I've heard, but it certainly is possible that it's true.
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I don't know, that links seems to take it even further than everything I've heard, but it certainly is possible that it's true.
Yes it is true. It's not a matter of debate, it is historical fact that they knew that Pearl Harbour would be attacked.
It's logical of a government to create crisis to precipitate action. What reason would the government have had for wanting to stop an attack on Pearl Harbour?
Why else were the most modern and useful ships out of base?
Just like allowing the Lusitania steam into German patrolled waters with a belly full of bullets and a job to report submarines to the British on sight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania).
Anyway, the attack on Pearl Harbour was definately before the declaration of war was made public (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_declaration_of_war_on_the_United_States_a nd_Britain). I don't see any dishonour in striking the military facilities of one's enemies prior to declaring war, it's not as if Japan invaded the US, and in any case, the US was pissing in Japan's wind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor) for quite some time before hand.
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2008-08-09, 02:16 |
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1. Hitler acted as a god
2. Nazis claimed racial superiority based on God's fiat
3. Do not take yourself, your prideful lust, seriously
4. The Nazis failed to uphold the law and tradition of their ancestors
5. They taught everything bad must be extinguished (they are Persians)
6. The Nazi wanted to break away from their long standing tradition of living with the Jews and other minorities in peace
7. The Nazi took land without warrant
8. The came with a message of peace and altruism toward humanity but brought death and plague upon the world
9 and 10. They coveted the rich lands of southern Russia, the Middle East and the trade outpost that the UK enjoyed
These are the ten commandments against tyranny the Hun broke. Because of this sin he enjoyed a mighty defeat.
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Wow, you just out did thousands of world history professors and other learned men who study every little nuance of what caused both the rise and fall of the Nazis, in one condensed little list that could fit on a pamphlet.
I bet you did it without the need of years of college, travel abroad, or reading hundreds of books on the subject.
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2008-08-09, 03:13 |
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Wow, you just out did thousands of world history professors and other learned men who study every little nuance of what caused both the rise and fall of the Nazis, in one condensed little list that could fit on a pamphlet.
I bet you did it without the need of years of college, travel abroad, or reading hundreds of books on the subject.
Good work sir.
Quite the contrary, but the same.
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2008-08-09, 03:28 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
If hitler hadn't gone apeshit in attacking in many fronts, he could have succeeded. After pwning his western enemies and the uk, he could have finished off the african campaign (which faced no direct threat to the homeland). After that, he could have regathered and gone after russia.
But he didn't want to listen to me, he was begging to fuck up.
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2008-08-12, 00:54 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Quite the contrary, but the same.
What a dumb ass thing to say.
Your list is riddled with this same nonsensical garbage. I vote you be immediately lobotomized before you infect others with your stupidity.
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2008-08-12, 04:54 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
What a dumb ass thing to say.
Your list is riddled with this same nonsensical garbage. I vote you be immediately lobotomized before you infect others with your stupidity.
There were fundamental principles behind the fall of the Nazi - just as there are to the downfall of all great men. These principles have been debated by "thousands of historians" and "learned men", and you will find many of whom may cite the same ten commandments.
The asthetics may change but the principles remain. Whether it be Nazi or a bully the universe does not show partiality toward any individual. This is the way of the universe.
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2008-08-12, 10:11 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
Troll
There is 1 reason the Nazis lost:
1. Russian winters don't like Germans.
Fixed
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2008-08-15, 18:13 |
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Re: Why the Nazi lost and will always lose
The reason they lost is because politics mixed with warfare.
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#74
2008-08-20, 06:46 |
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The reason the Nazis lost is because the Allies had the manpower and resources of the entire world, and the Axis was forced to run on the manpower and resources they could scrape up within their own borders. The Allies manufactured more beans, bullets, and bandages, and thus won the war.
Now consider that China has 1.3 billion people and a vast manufacturing base, along with considerable natural resources and even more resources within close enough proximity to quickly capture and exploit. I fear we may one day find ourselves on the losing side of that equation.
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