God loves me!

[Hexadecimal]

And you, too!

Doesn't matter how bad you think you are.
Doesn't matter if you hate God.
Doesn't matter if you hate life.
Doesn't matter if you hate humanity.
Doesn't matter what you've done, what you've felt, what you've harmed.
God loves you!

Yes, even those of you who have wounded your family, your society, your selves. Even those of you who have hurt children. Even those of you who cheat on your taxes, have slept with your brother's girl, or sister's man, or even slept with your brother or sister! God loves you, folks! Even those of you that worship demons, witchcraft, Rosie O'Donnel, and idols...God loves all of you. And that's with no conditions. There is nothing you could ever do to stop God from loving you.

Enjoy your lives, dear brothers and sisters, for joy is but one of the many blessings God grants us.

[ArmsMerchant]

Hard to argue with that!

Props for the positivity.

[KikoSanchez]

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

[JesuitArtiste]

I don't think God loves me. I think he hates me. I mean, yeah, he loves me as well. But he hates me too.

In fact, I don't think that something like Love can be absolutely perscribed to God, unless he is lacking in hate, and if he lacked in hate, then he wouldn't be God.

Love may be something that God experiences... But so is Hate, and every other possible feeling.

I'm sure God is actually going through everything right now, and that I can justly say God hates us all as well as God Loves us all.

Unless of course we're using Love simply to me keeps us in existence...

[BrokeProphet]

God does not love everyone. Ask Jacobs brother, Easu.

Thing is......what good is God's love? Is it good for the millions of people suffering unimaginable torment on a daily basis. Is that warm fuzzy feeling of "God loves me" better than say...food for your starving, parasite infected, disease riddled new born?

God simply does not exist in some places in the world. God most certainly exists to millions of fat Americans, sitting in their air conditioned houses, watching their children get an education and grow up.

Wonder how many Americans would pass the test of Job?

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Note if by God you are referring to an undefined abstract notion of a big loving warm fuzzy out there in the universe, then feel free to ignore the Christian references.

[Rust]

Barney loves me, and at least I have evidence that he could do something productive. Barney wins.

[kurdt318]

Originally Posted by KikoSanchez

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

I'm not saying Hitler, child rapists, and deformed infants are "good". "Good" is just a human concept and in being so, in God's eyes, there is no such thing as sin. And since there is no such thing as sin, there is no need for an afterlife as a "reward" or "punishment".

[redzed]

Originally Posted by KikoSanchez

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

The Greeks had several words for love, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love , depending upon the context philia and agape are used in the NT. Philia meaning "a dispassionate virtuous love" and Agape meaning "self-sacrificing, giving love to all--both friend and enemy". Unconditional love without regard for reputation or 'sin' such as the love a parent has for a child who has done wrong. You choose to equate "God's" love with eternal suffering when the opposite is also on display in that 'there is no greater love than to give one's life for another'. That being so, how are you being a realist and not simply negative?

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by JesuitArtiste

I don't think God loves me. I think he hates me. I mean, yeah, he loves me as well. But he hates me too.

In fact, I don't think that something like Love can be absolutely perscribed to God, unless he is lacking in hate, and if he lacked in hate, then he wouldn't be God.

Love may be something that God experiences... But so is Hate, and every other possible feeling.

I'm sure God is actually going through everything right now, and that I can justly say God hates us all as well as God Loves us all.

Unless of course we're using Love simply to me keeps us in existence...

I think this is an important post in this thread, and it relates to Rizzos new thread.

[BillGatesJR]

Originally Posted by KikoSanchez

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

What he is saying is God hates the crime, but not the criminal. When you commit a moral wrong, it breaks God's heart, but he still loves you. And keep in mind disease and suffering did not exist until sin entered the world.

When Adam and Eve committed the first sin, nature was cursed, which is why we have earthquakes, floods, etc. God allows nature to demonstrate the consequences of sin. Yes, there are innocent people who suffer, and it may not seem fair. Suffering is caused by man's free will. According to the Bible God truly loves us. Think about it, it wouldn't be true love if God did not allow us to choose our paths regarding good and evil. He created us to love him back, but love requires free will, and that can mean suffering for innocent people.

[Hexadecimal]

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

What reason could God have to hate Hitler, child rapists, or any others? Are they God? If not, then how can perfection, or even good, be expected of them? All good and all perfection comes only from God; to those who do good deeds, be grateful that God has chosen to use you as a channel for his Love. All of humanity's wrongs...they show us that WE are not good, that WE are not God. Look to the horrors that exist in the minds and hearts of humanity and then look to the good and love that exists in spite of it if you need proof that God is...look at your very self: at how every one of your desires is not to benefit others, but to get your next fix...everything you want is for your self and yourself alone. Were there not a God, the first pair in humanity would have consumed itself and ended our race.

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by JesuitArtiste

I don't think God loves me. I think he hates me. I mean, yeah, he loves me as well. But he hates me too.

In fact, I don't think that something like Love can be absolutely perscribed to God, unless he is lacking in hate, and if he lacked in hate, then he wouldn't be God.

Love may be something that God experiences... But so is Hate, and every other possible feeling.

I'm sure God is actually going through everything right now, and that I can justly say God hates us all as well as God Loves us all.

Unless of course we're using Love simply to me keeps us in existence...

Originally Posted by redzed

The Greeks had several words for love, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love , depending upon the context philia and agape are used in the NT. Philia meaning "a dispassionate virtuous love" and Agape meaning "self-sacrificing, giving love to all--both friend and enemy". Unconditional love without regard for reputation or 'sin' such as the love a parent has for a child who has done wrong. You choose to equate "God's" love with eternal suffering when the opposite is also on display in that 'there is no greater love than to give one's life for another'. That being so, how are you being a realist and not simply negative?

Originally Posted by BillGatesJR

When Adam and Eve committed the first sin, nature was cursed, which is why we have earthquakes, floods, etc. God allows nature to demonstrate the consequences of sin.

ETC.

No arguments amongst yourselves as to the which of your different explanations is the right one?

Hmmm.

Why not?

The answers are subjective then right?

Ask another controversial God question, and you will get yet another plethora of answers from theists. Each like a little snowflake. Each serving but one purpose: To justify their beliefs. To keep a strong wall of theistic ignorance around the grey matter.

I have but one answer...that magically answers all of these questions about "Why would God do X if Y is true"...and "If God can X then why doesn't he Y?"

Are you all ready for the BEST objective answer to answer all of these questions perfectly?

Here it is......




God is imaginary.

[Vanhalla]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

God is imaginary.

I know you are but what am I

[BillGatesJR]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

ETC.

No arguments amongst yourselves as to the which of your different explanations is the right one?

Hmmm.

Why not?

The answers are subjective then right?

Ask another controversial God question, and you will get yet another plethora of answers from theists. Each like a little snowflake. Each serving but one purpose: To justify their beliefs. To keep a strong wall of theistic ignorance around the grey matter.

I have but one answer...that magically answers all of these questions about "Why would God do X if Y is true"...and "If God can X then why doesn't he Y?"

Are you all ready for the BEST objective answer to answer all of these questions perfectly?

Here it is......




God is imaginary.

Could you please explain this? Or...even better, show how it undeniably PROVES God is imaginary. Since you have nothing to back this up, the question serves but one purpose: to justify your beliefs...wouldn't you agree?

I have another supposedly controversial question about God that atheists use to try and disprove God.

"Could an all-powerful God create a stone that even He Himself could not lift?".

Then they answer the question for you:

If Yes - An omnipotent being cannot exist because it could not lift the rock
If No - An omnipotent being cannot exist because it could not create the rock

The atheists then come to the conclusion that God is imaginary, but how? It doesn't disprove God. It only proves that if God does exist, He is far beyond our comprehension, which obviously AGREES with theist beliefs. Our puny human logic cannot compare with His abilities. The Bible supports this 100%. It says that, compared to God, mankind knows nothing.

[wolfy_9005]

Originally Posted by Hexadecimal

And you, too!

Doesn't matter how bad you think you are.
Doesn't matter if you hate God.
Doesn't matter if you hate life.
Doesn't matter if you hate humanity.
Doesn't matter what you've done, what you've felt, what you've harmed.
God loves you!

So from what i understand, a kiddie rapist is, in the eyes of god, a "good" person. This is bullshit to the max. kiddie fiddlers/rapist's get beaten to death in prison, but "god loves them" so it doesnt matter? We all end up as a pile of bones(or ashes) in the end, and eventually the world will be devoured by the sun and we wont have to put up with this shit anymore.

Even jesus himself would beat the fuck out of a kiddie fiddler/rapist.

This fourm is a prime example of why each religion hates each other sooooooooo much

Originally Posted by KikoSanchez

God sure has some skewed values if he loves hitler, child rapists, and others. And why does his love equate to eternal suffering for 90% of people? And allow people to be born with horrible deformities and allow awful plagues and diseases? He sure does have a weird way of showing his love.

Not being negative, just a realist.

True :P
And all these hippie religious people that bang on your door at 8am have no respect for the non brainwashed(ie. normal people)

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

Are you all ready for the BEST objective answer to answer all of these questions perfectly?

Here it is......




God is imaginary.

What do you think about "God/Reality is perfect."?

[Nightside Eclipse]

Hail satan.

Originally Posted by Hexadecimal

Even those of you who cheat on your taxes, have slept with your brother's girl, or sister's man, or even slept with your brother or sister! God loves you, folks! Even those of you that worship demons, witchcraft, Rosie O'Donnel, and idols...God loves all of you. And that's with no conditions. There is nothing you could ever do to stop God from loving you.

Then why, according to the bible, are they doomed to eternal damnation?


You're pretty much saying "Don't worry if you molest children, God still loves you so it's ok!"

[danzig]

strictly translated, the bible says god will DESTROY those not able to stand in his presence - not send them to hell for eternity. mere oblivion is what is skewed to mean hell - hell is. according to the new testament, A, not in existence yet, and B, strictly for satan and his angels.

CS lewis stated the 'can't get into heaven if you aren't good thing' in this way...

"being in heaven, for a person with a sinful soul, would be a worse hell then we can imagine, because of the presence of god. hell is not a torture place, it's a mercy place, where people would be free from the presence of god - what they really wanted on earth. a person that lived a good life, but has no love for god, is not going to suffer for eternity, that's ridiculous and unsupported by the bible"


you people should also be aware, the old testament exists in the bible for no reason other then historical purposes. christ said, 'gods only command is to love one another'. he nullified the harsh laws of the old world.

in fact, i would dare you to find a single fault in the character of christ or the teachings of the new testament, regardless of what you believe to be it's veracity.

[BillGatesJR]

Originally Posted by Poop Dookie Shit Turd

Then why, according to the bible, are they doomed to eternal damnation?


You're pretty much saying "Don't worry if you molest children, God still loves you so it's ok!"

No, you are taking what he said too literally.

God doesn't send people to hell, we put ourselves there. God sent His Son down to die on the cross for your sins so that you will not go to hell. However, you still need to believe, change your ways, and repent for your sin. And keep in mind God does not allow the wicked to go unpunished; sinners can still be punished here on earth.

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by Poop Dookie Shit Turd

Then why, according to the bible, are they doomed to eternal damnation?


You're pretty much saying "Don't worry if you molest children, God still loves you so it's ok!"

No, what I'm saying is that it's not too late to change your ways and find a better life. You think implicit forgiveness for all sins makes it 'good' or even 'okay' to commit them? They're still sins. It's simply that they don't disqualify you from God's love.

Exactly what I'm saying is this, "Man will condemn and seek vengeance upon all your sins, but even if you're a child molester, rapist, or murderer, you can seek out God and He will welcome you with open arms."

Does this mean you won't get executed in a court trial on Earth? No. Does it mean people will all cheer you on for changing your ways? No...most people are rather incapable of exercising forgiveness or mercy when it comes to the sins we actually take serious. Kill and be killed...that's human 'justice'...(read: self-righteous judgment).

If your father loves you, your siblings might still try to beat you with a broom stick and lock you in a food pantry for three weeks.

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by Poop Dookie Shit Turd

Then why, according to the bible, are they doomed to eternal damnation?


You're pretty much saying "Don't worry if you molest children, God still loves you so it's ok!"

To answer your question--one, they aren't. The Bible is mistaken on this point.

And your quote is correct in a sense--God's love is unconditional and infinite, regardless of what one does or does not do. That does not make pedophilia okay, however. It is a symptom of a profoundly twisted mind, for one thing. For another, it is one of the most egregious of the heinous crimes, and shorts eyes tend to have lives that are nasty, brutish and short, once they go to slam and get put in genpop.

God does not punish--but ALL actions have consequences, some of which are not pretty.

[fuck_the_system]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

God does not punish--but ALL actions have consequences, some of which are not pretty.

i like that. it can be taken is 2 ways. it could mean that god doesnt exist yet there is still moral boundrys we must follow for fear of consequences. it can also be taken as god is merciful and will not punish but we will still be but 'karma' still affects us.

pedophiles, rapists and murderers is a hard thing to think about when talking about religion. the first 2 i think we have a choice about there for if we choose them we will be punished and i think they are. tony ferguson the australian pedophile altho admittedly hasnt been convicted for his crimes (yes yes, he should have been and the judge should be punished for his decision) he still must suffer every day. the constant threat of people, the combined hatred of him by all people, the media, the total aloneness. we may not see it as satisfactory but surely he must be. if a pedo/rapist goes to jail what normally happens to them? in a decent jail the will be themselves raped repeatedly or they will die from 'accidentally' falling down the stair several times.

i see murderers in different catagory, if it is a matter of kill or be killed i dont think they should suffer. they probably still have to deal with the guilt but thats harsh enough. however if someone kills out of cold blood they sill suffer a worse fate.

i also think that hell is an existing place. not a physical place but a place that exists still. read the divine comedy, its pretty hard to understand but its a good read.

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by fuck_the_system

read the divine comedy, its pretty hard to understand but its a good read.

Which translation?

Or did you read it in the original Italian?