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Old 2008-07-16, 17:05
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Default I am Handsome/Beautiful

Go ahead and say it. I hate it when people don't think of themselves as handsome/beautiful, you are handsome you are beautiful, and you deserve to be treated as such. If you aren't with someone, then get with someone, if you are with some, but they treat you like you are beneath them, leave them. I want a new people to come forth, a people who feel loved, appreciated, approved of, respected, a sence of accomplishment, recognized as an individual, worthwhile, and important. I want everyone to be happy, no more insecurites, no more self-hate. Can you do this; will you do this? I hope so.

hallelujah

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Old 2008-07-16, 17:08
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I feel pretty..
oh so pretty..
i feel pretty and witty and gay!
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Old 2008-07-16, 17:11
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I'm not bad looking, but i need a haircut.

Otherwise, I think I'm a pretty cool guy to be around. Not the life of the party, but I'm a pretty agreeable person.
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Old 2008-07-16, 17:22
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I'm not bad looking, but i need a haircut.

Otherwise, I think I'm a pretty cool guy to be around. Not the life of the party, but I'm a pretty agreeable person.
Heh, I need a haircut too. For some reason I delay getting one for as long as I can, and then when it gets so bad that I know that a haircut can only make it look better I get one.
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Old 2008-07-16, 17:24
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I suck.


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Old 2008-07-16, 17:25
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Go ahead and say it. I hate it when people don't think of themselves as not handsome/beautiful, you are handsome you are beautiful, and you deserve to be treated as such. If you aren't with someone, then get with someone, if you are with some, but they treat you like you are beneath them, leave them. I want a new people to come forth, a people who feel loved, appreciated, approved of, respected, a sence of accomplishment, recognized as an individual, worthwhile, and important. I want everyone to be happy, no more insecurites, no more self-hate. Can you do this; will you do this? I hope so.

hallelujah
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Old 2008-07-16, 17:30
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Old 2008-07-16, 17:41
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I feel pretty..
oh so pretty..
i feel pretty and witty and bright!
I feel charming,
oh so charming
It's alarming how charming I feel.
And so pretty
That I can hardly believe I'm real.

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I'm not bad looking, but i need a haircut.

Otherwise, I think I'm a pretty cool guy to be around. Not the life of the party, but I'm a pretty agreeable person.
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Heh, I need a haircut too. For some reason I delay getting one for as long as I can, and then when it gets so bad that I know that a haircut can only make it look better I get one.
Hallelujah my brothers.

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I suck.


You don't suck, you are a wonderful handsome/beautiful person, just stay positive and you will recognize it too.

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Weird, a happy troll!
I feel exhilerating, I am so happy with the world right now, everything is looking up for me and I want it to be the same for everyone else, even you.

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So beautiful
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Old 2008-07-16, 17:48
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Does my head in when you see some really ugly as fuck girl, fat, sweaty and looks like a dogs hairy arse, and then someone says 'aww shes ded pretty!', trying to be nice. Pathetic.
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Old 2008-07-16, 18:04
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I think it's the second coming of Mr HAI guys.



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Old 2008-07-16, 18:06
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I like to enjoy thinking that I am quite average.
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Old 2008-07-16, 19:54
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There's no point in thinking you are beautiful/handsome if you are ugly. Denying reality doesn't change it. You can believe all you want cyanide isn't going to kill you, but in the end enough wild almonds will.
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Old 2008-07-16, 20:27
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^^ROFL

I guess I'm pretty handsome. A lot of people say I look like Mark Wahlberg. I just need to get rid of the pimples
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Old 2008-07-16, 20:36
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Weird, a happy troll!
My world, she spins.
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Old 2008-07-16, 20:53
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I like this new arrival.
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Old 2008-07-17, 02:03
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Old 2008-07-17, 02:07
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I am tall and fat
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Old 2008-07-17, 02:26
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I hate it when people don't think of themselves as not handsome/beautiful,
Quick people, analyze that sentence!
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Old 2008-07-17, 02:41
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i am a beautiful drugged out hippy.
and im very happy about it
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Old 2008-07-17, 02:41
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Check Post #29

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Old 2008-07-17, 03:52
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Beautifulpeople.net accepted me. yay?
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Old 2008-07-17, 04:01
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i am a beautiful drugged out hippy.
and im very happy about it
Weed and Paul Simon is the answer.
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Old 2008-07-17, 08:55
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gay men hit on me
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Old 2008-07-17, 09:42
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My ego flip flops like a Chinese gymnist on crack. Right now I dislike myself a lot, may reply later.
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Old 2008-07-17, 17:09
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Does my head in when you see some really ugly as fuck girl, fat, sweaty and looks like a dogs hairy arse, and then someone says 'aww shes ded pretty!', trying to be nice. Pathetic.
No more with none of that negativity, it doesn't matter if you think she is pretty, way I see it she is a Big Beautiful Woman, and if you say she is beautiful, then she will become more beautiful, through positive re-enforcement. Stay Positive!

Yes, there is a coming. A coming of a proud new people. Spread my words of love, and World Peace will be soon to follow. Stay Positive!

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I like to enjoy thinking that I am quite average.
Let's go further then that, say I am handsome/beautiful. I want your happiness to be at 110%. Stay Positive!

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There's no point in thinking you are beautiful/handsome if you are ugly. Denying reality doesn't change it. You can believe all you want cyanide isn't going to kill you, but in the end enough wild almonds will.
But accepting a new reality changes everything. think of it a world where evryone is happy, and when people are happy you can see great change. Stay Positive!

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^^ROFL

I guess I'm pretty handsome. A lot of people say I look like Mark Wahlberg. I just need to get rid of the pimples
Don't worry about those pimples, you know what that is a sign of. That is a sign of high testostrone, which means you are an alpha male. Stay Positive!

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My world, she spins.
I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.

I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.

The colors of the rainbow so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces of people going by
I see friends shaking hands saying how do you do
They're really saying I love you.

I hear babies crying, I watch them grow
They'll learn much more than I'll never know
And I think to myself what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself what a wonderful world

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I like this new arrival.
Thank you. Stay positive!

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You can feed the trolls, they are handsome/beautiful too. Stay Positive!

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I am tall and fat
and Handsome/Beautiful. Don't forget that part. Stay Positive!

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Quick people, analyze that sentence!
Oh another myth busted, nah thanks for pointing it out though, I will make the necessary changes. Stay Positive!

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i am a beautiful drugged out hippy.
and im very happy about it
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Beautifulpeople.net accepted me. yay?
Hallelujah!

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Weed and Paul Simon is the answer.
Weed is good for Keeping Positive.

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gay men hit on me
You must be really handsome.

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My ego flip flops like a Chinese gymnist on crack. Right now I dislike myself a lot, may reply later.
Do That

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I'm most handsome, a cute looking guy, with a new hairdo, new tan and been working out lately.

I'm afraid most of you guys are ugly losers though
They aren't ugly losers, I'm sure they have accomplished great things in their lives.

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God damn it's good to have some positive people for a change.

I'm a babe. Hahaha yeah and I'm in love ^_^ everything is goooooood.
Does my heart good to hear that

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This does not apply to me. Saying that will only make my confidence lower.
I am not handsome/beautiful. Not even my parents think I am. However, my whole family is a bunch of beautiful individuals. It makes me more uncomfortable when I am with them. Sadly, most of my friends are also good looking which makes me really unnoticeable in a crowd. Aside from that, even my skills in music and art cannot compensate for my looks.
Don't do that saying self-depreciating things doesn't help anything. Here is what I want you to do, when you wake up in the morning give yourself a big hug.

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Old 2008-07-17, 17:22
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I feel it, But the others around me don't.
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Old 2008-07-17, 18:35
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I have one word that is the difference between average and handsome.

Charm.

Charm, people.

That most brilliant of devices which allows you to flatter whilst appearing insouciant.
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Old 2008-07-17, 21:58
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Go ahead and say it. I hate it when people don't think of themselves as handsome/beautiful, you are handsome you are beautiful, and you deserve to be treated as such. If you aren't with someone, then get with someone, if you are with some, but they treat you like you are beneath them, leave them. I want a new people to come forth, a people who feel loved, appreciated, approved of, respected, a sence of accomplishment, recognized as an individual, worthwhile, and important. I want everyone to be happy, no more insecurites, no more self-hate. Can you do this; will you do this? I hope so.

hallelujah
Shut the FUCK up new arrival
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Old 2008-07-18, 02:51
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Shut the FUCK up new arrival
and you are so much better because you made more yet shittier posts? i think you need to " shut the FUCK up" because this dude is speaking of something worth saying. all you are doing is making yourself look and sound like a jackass.

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Old 2008-07-18, 04:30
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Anyone ever met an ugly person that thought they were good looking? That is why people tend not to make a show of being conceited.
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Old 2008-07-18, 06:09
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Anyone ever met an ugly person that thought they were good looking? That is why people tend not to make a show of being conceited.
hes not talking about flaunting to everyone that you are beautiful, its about feeling good about yourself. its about being happy with who you are and what you look like.
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Old 2008-07-18, 16:54
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Go ahead and say it. I hate it when people don't think of themselves as handsome/beautiful, you are handsome you are beautiful, and you deserve to be treated as such. If you aren't with someone, then get with someone, if you are with some, but they treat you like you are beneath them, leave them. I want a new people to come forth, a people who feel loved, appreciated, approved of, respected, a sence of accomplishment, recognized as an individual, worthwhile, and important. I want everyone to be happy, no more insecurites, no more self-hate. Can you do this; will you do this? I hope so.

hallelujah
how about people who the statement actually applies for should go ahead and say it. Otherwise you're just perpetuating the situation where there are a lot of delusional fat girls at the bar.
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Old 2008-07-18, 23:05
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how about people who the statement actually applies for should go ahead and say it. Otherwise you're just perpetuating the situation where there are a lot of delusional fat girls at the bar.
Where would you have them go to meet a man to love them. The gym could be a good idea but who is going to be active enough to exercise when they always feel bad about themselves. Positive re-enforcement is the only thing that is going to motivate people to keep health. I will make another thread covering this situation in check.
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Old 2008-07-19, 07:58
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I loathe myself so fucking much.

Fuck this thread!
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Old 2008-07-19, 14:25
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I'm handsome...I get told by my missus and even random chicks on the street (last one was last night!)
I don't see it but I'm happy with who I am. And I'm glad my lady sees it.

Love yourselves people...But keep some modesty.
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Old 2008-07-19, 14:40
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Quick people, analyze that sentence!
Owned by double negative.
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Old 2008-07-20, 04:14
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The gym could be a good idea but who is going to be active enough to exercise when they always feel bad about themselves.
That's sort of the point in them getting their fatasses to the gym...
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Old 2008-07-21, 03:42
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and you are so much better because you made more yet shittier posts? i think you need to " shut the FUCK up" because this dude is speaking of something worth saying. all you are doing is making yourself look and sound like a jackass.
Did someone throw a baseball at your 4 inch glasses and they shattered into your brain? Jeez, if you want to pretend to be a low class moron, warn me ahead of time so I can put up my stupid-shield, or better yet-- drill a hole in your skull ending your idiot-spree forever.

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You can't stop my words of love from being spread. The time is now, and you can still join the cause, you can be part of something great, everyone wants this.
Get a grip on reality you overmedicated piece of shit. You obviously have nothing better to do in your life to quote EVERY damn person in this thread and respond to each one--- multiple times. Fuck, on days I have nothing to do... I don't even do that; and I'm a dick to most people.

Obviously your Zoloft wore off and bipolar decided to rear its ugly head. You're a schizo probably after such a pathetic-faggot-bound piece of trash you posted as a response. Whatever you are, you're the most un-normal thing to hit totse (and that says a lot, we have lots of retards here).

Go back to screaming4jesus. Some people don't want light, some people prefer darkness. Christians, gotta hate them.

Obligatory HAIL SATAN? Yup.
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Old 2008-07-21, 16:55
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I loathe myself so fucking much.

Fuck this thread!
Learn to love yourself please now it's the only way you will be happy, and that will make me happy.

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I'm handsome...I get told by my missus and even random chicks on the street (last one was last night!)
I don't see it but I'm happy with who I am. And I'm glad my lady sees it.

Love yourselves people...But keep some modesty.
Praises to ya

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Owned by double negative.
Yes we know my mistake.

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That...was beautiful my friend!
and so are you.

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Gosh this thread makes me all warm and fuzzy when I read it..
That was my intent

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Get a grip on reality you overmedicated piece of shit. You obviously have nothing better to do in your life to quote EVERY damn person in this thread and respond to each one--- multiple times. Fuck, on days I have nothing to do... I don't even do that; and I'm a dick to most people.

Obviously your Zoloft wore off and bipolar decided to rear its ugly head. You're a schizo probably after such a pathetic-faggot-bound piece of trash you posted as a response. Whatever you are, you're the most un-normal thing to hit totse (and that says a lot, we have lots of retards here).

Go back to screaming4jesus. Some people don't want light, some people prefer darkness. Christians, gotta hate them.

Obligatory HAIL SATAN? Yup.
I am just spreading to love, and hoping you will take it. I have been on prozac but that was a long time ago. You do know that satan still has the opportunity to repent.

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I am neither handsome nor beautiful.

As a matter of fact I hate every aspect of myself.
I know leperacy is a horrible disease, but don't let it get you down.

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I guess I'm pretty attractive. I'm not being egotistical, I just don't see why I should be modest. Understating your opinion of yourself may be considered good etiquette, but it's stupid nonetheless.
We are men we are suppose to have large egos that need to be stroked regularly.

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I'm fed up with every person in the 1st world all clamoring at once to yelp about their victim status and how horrible it is to be them. Fucking hell people, thousands of people died last night of malnutrition and you are claiming we don't have the right to be pissed at obese people?

Besides, I'm living proof you don't have to be fat. I used to be a fat guy for most of high school. Wasn't athletic at all. Debate team, marching band, chess club, and the quiz team were my extracurricular activities, so it would be no surprise I got fat. Late junior year of high school I was fed up with being a fat fuck, decided to man the fuck up, enlist in the Marines with "Infantry" in my contract, and get in shape. Started lifting heavily and jogging. Went on a steadily more sensible diet. Gradually cut out soda, then all high fructose corn syrup, then all sweets, then fried foods, etc. I'm now eating almost entirely clean and have lost lots of bodyfat. People don't have to be fat. Like we say in the Marines about recruit training is the same for every human endeavor. "It's all in your head". It's even like that Sun Tzu quote, about how victorious warriors achieve victory first and go to war later, while defeated warriors go to war seeking victory. Everything is in your head. You just need the willpower to succeed, and that doesn't come with coddling.



That's exactly my point. Don't lie to yourself. Accept reality as it is. It was some Benedictine or Franciscan prayer that went "Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can change, the humility to accept the things I cannot change, and the wisdom to tell the difference".
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This.
You missed the point of the thread, it's not about people being able to claim how horrible it is to be them, it's about denying that you are a victim, and all you need is positivity.. You claiming that somehow it's the obese peoples fault that children half way round the world are dying of malnutricion, is completely rediculous. Obese people help the food industry make bigger profits so that they can afford to send food to those who need it, it isn't like their isn't enough food to go around, I mean a single american throws out more food a day then a whole village in india eats a month. so there's no food shortage for them.

Oh I see you let the marines brainwash you. You know I tried to join the marines, they said I was to obese to join, and the level they put the weight for my height was way less then I was willing to go. I mean 6 ft tall has to be less then 180 lbs, i mean come on I'm real man so I have to weigh atleast 240lbs.

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I agree with this ^^

Its proof that people should not be fat. Its proven that even people with genetics that are against them can still become thin if they actually try.
That is only proof that he lost weight, not proof that people shouldn't be fat, and yes even with genetics against you you can still win. But, I skipped a step my way we achieve victory first and go to war later, while your way we go to war seeking victory.

I Win!
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