I'd only be willing to smoke enough to put me to sleep / knock me the fuck out and I'd keep that shit on hand for emergencies seeing as I'm out of any benzos or anything that can help me in that department.

None of the shit I've read about, walking around like a zombie for hours and seeing people that aren't there, not being able to see straight for over a day, etc.

If there is a way of only getting drowzy / sleepy from it, I'm in.

Call me a pussy if you want, but I have LSD and DMT if I want to hallucinate.

My only interest in this would be for a smokable downer.

I do have Walgreens brand Diphen. at the crib.

Hearing the name Dipenhydramine makes me itch all over my body.

I've seen and talked to aleast about 50 people, seen about 7 moons,
I've seen the simpsons floating around my friends house, cartoons,birds in the couch,
A creature I made I commanded it to fight the cat, Ok let me stop talking about it.

But it so fucking crazy, My schizophrenia doubles itself when I take it like..
I hear my neighbor I wanna kill that boy I hate that motherfucker.
AHH Blah blah, My mother whats to boy doing she'll walk in my door and disappear.

Its the most scary drugs I recommend nobody nobody take it.
I took over a gram a couple of times back in the day...

Max irration and discomfort..

Hey I wonder who in here loves it??

I mean I have so many mental problems and did so many OTC drugs+drugs.
I automatically hallucinate and audio hallucinate.
at night I don't wanna look at the ceiling there will be eyes,people, Faces at me, Clowns,demons,
Its a nightmare lol

If you never audio Hallucinated Dipen will do it, but I have schizophrenia so thats normal.
But Dipenhydramine is so scary.. really don't fucking take it and
I know some people at Totse will be like OK man I'll trip tonight.

Awesome. Let's get started. First, if you do not have diphen already, you need to get some. Usually generic brand pills have less crap in them. You want the smallest possible, cheapest possible, most generic pills you can find, with the shortest list of inactive chemicals. Makes extraction tons easier.

From there, I need a list of the inactives in the pill. Now, to avoid any bullshit spam questions on how do I extract out this inactive or that, or hijack the thread in such a direction, the extraction technique that is formulated based on the inactive list will be sent to you over email, or some other private means, and will not be made public until the very very end, and will be included in the final trip report.


I don't want to hide information here, I just want to avoid this becoming a discussion on how to extract shit, and to avoid people sending me emails on that same subject. I swear to god, if any of you motherfuckers spam me with questions on extracting psuedoephedrine pills I will forward your email to the fucking DEA. Clean your own fucking pills. I am only offering my knowledge for THIS use, and this use only, and all extraction discussion will be IN PRIVATE.


But yeah, get the pills, and gimme the list of inactives. I am thinking something like a "dollar" shop off brand of benadryl or something would be the best. I haven't looked though, only going from prior knowledge with other pills.

Awesome. Let's get started. First, if you do not have diphen already, you need to get some. Usually generic brand pills have less crap in them. You want the smallest possible, cheapest possible, most generic pills you can find, with the shortest list of inactive chemicals. Makes extraction tons easier.



Get straight up Dramamine the original brand,
Don't buy equate its a bunch of bullshit.

it looks like this
http://www.brands2liveby.com/product.aspx?id=257


Nothing works as better as that..

I suggest taking it with tripple c's
but they didn't get the idea from me. :D

What's wrong with Equate? I checked and thats what i have in my house, and it's in a capsule. I broke open the capsule and it was a a bunch of white powder inside. I collected this powder. What should I do with it now?

Like I said, I don't know diphen, I don't do it, I hate the shit, so I don't know anything about brands. I do know that generics generally have less garbage in them, and are thus easier to clean.


Oh, and no acolyte takers. The simple fact you say, ok, now what do i do, is more than enough to show me it would be a huge pain in my ass to help you clean a few pills because you obviously didn't even fucking read the entire thread to realize that I said to post the inactives. And I will only be doing this with a max of a few people, this is not some kind of extraction tek service, this is for research on methods of administration.

*next thread*

"Injecting Diphenhydramine"


Actually though, I bet I do know one crazy motherfucker who just might be up for something like that. Intravenous? You around? Wanna bang some diphen for the good of science? and the lulz.


Really though, I couldn't let you do something like that. Besides, I'm sure there is more than enough information on that route. The most interesting route over and over seems to be smoking, since it is never ever used in a medical setting, hence, there is no legit info on it.


You would be amazed at what can be smoked. If it is a salt, and you can take it some other way as a salt, and feel some effect, it can be basified, and smoked for an even more intense feeling, and sometimes you get strange little extras too.



Like propoxyphene. I smoked some of that a few years ago and thought the laser light gun in my hand was a real gun. I lost the trip report, sorry. It was nuts though. I tried to go get a sandwich out of the fridge that I had already eaten days before, and was like WHERES MY FUCKING SANDWICH oh yeah i already ate it

So lets get some diph and baking soda and make some new drug. Im in

"Injecting Diphenhydramine"


Actually though, I bet I do know one crazy motherfucker who just might be up for something like that. Intravenous? You around? Wanna bang some diphen for the good of science? and the lulz.


Really though, I couldn't let you do something like that. Besides, I'm sure there is more than enough information on that route. The most interesting route over and over seems to be smoking, since it is never ever used in a medical setting, hence, there is no legit info on it.


You would be amazed at what can be smoked. If it is a salt, and you can take it some other way as a salt, and feel some effect, it can be basified, and smoked for an even more intense feeling, and sometimes you get strange little extras too.

Last time I had to go to the hospital I was given IV diphenhydramine. It made me vomit everywhere and made my stomach cramp for at least 4 hours. The nurse thought I was having some sort of allergic reaction at first because I went really pale, but he called the doctor in and he said it was a common reaction to IVed diphen.

Given the opportunity, I might smoke it, but there is no way in hell I'd ever IV it. I've IVed amphetamine and oxycodone, so it's not a fear of needles. I've lived through the horrors of IV diphen once and never want to do that again,

Well yeah on Totse somebody would do it lol

and dipen is kinda of like that..


You'll sit there think your talking to somebody or your riding down the street in your car when really you're just sitting there, No joke.

Like you said the sandwich thing.

I thought I was outside and at my house when I was at a friends house.
and my friend thought he got up and made a sandwich but really he was just sitting there...

Oh one more thing when I took Dipen.

I remember I saw a video game in my hand I was like OMG and I played it.

then before that time the bud wiser box turned in an aquirauim, and had fishes+ a dog inside it
a bird flew on top of his tv..

Everything is just a little example but becareful man.
You want to intensify the trip just add alchoal it works a whole lot faster.
Seriously I mean you'll risk less health by taking more and waiting.

You make a thread about smoking diphenhydramine, then you don't want to tell people how to extract the inactives? Ill just make a thread about smoking crack than not tell anyone about baking soda.

I saw the title and thought "Oh, another faggot going on about benadryl.." Then I saw the you were the Author of the thread and I thought to myself "...Hm...This could actually be interesting." And It was.

I Suppose it would be possible..

Watch it end up being the next Crack epidemic..

So lets get some diph and baking soda and make some new drug. Im in

See what I mean? Seriously though, If I were provided with directions on how to make it into the base form, I'd be up for it.

$5 says this is on Dr. Phil by next week.

I used to have a buddy who loved diphenhydramine. He would take 40 something benadryls and just have a terrible night. One day we were joking around and he told me it would be funny to cook down diphenhydramine and load it up into a shot, then stab a random person on the street with it. I told him that it was doable, you just had to figure out a way to separate the inactives from the diph. He laughed, and that was the end of that.

I'm definitely interested in this. I have quite a bit of experience with benadryl from back in the day.

I've smoked datura before and I found it a much more interesting experience than taking large amounts of benadryl orally.

I wonder if the effects will be similar to smoked datura or different.

Let me know whatever you need me to do.

EDIT: Turns out I don't have any diphenhydramine at the house right now (haven't had allergies in awhile), I will let you know what inactives are in my brand as soon as I buy it later today.

*subscribes to thread*

Come on, you have to admit
this all sounds really, really silly.

*subscribes to thread*

Aye. If I could get some base diphen I'd smoke it. But I'm too much of a lazy shit to make it. If one of you ever gets round to doing it let us know how it works out.

You sir, are an ideal candidate.

I'm really excited to see if this works, and how it will react. Even though i am not a guinea pig myself, i would love to see this goin soon :D

I'll try it. I don't LOVE diphen, but ive had a few trips on benadryl and enjoyed myself. I have to go to work in like 1/2 hour, and ill pick up a box of generic brand when i am there.

I wish I still had enough bravado to guinea pig this. But it's not gonna happen with diphenhydramine, I had a pair of experiences with the shit that caused enough headfuck and what felt like physical damage I can't even look at the pills without getting nauseas and feeling stupid for fucking with it not once, but TWICE.

Make sure the trip reports get posted though, it certainly sounds like an interesting, if not positive, experience.

from the sound of it, Diphen is easily soluble in hot water according to

this (http://www.drugbank.ca/drugBank/drugStructureFile/drug_files/msds_sheets/DB01075.pdf)
and this
(http://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/20286)
so it sounds like you could do some sort of water extraction and come up with a reasonably pure product. from there you could do do one of those basify things where you take the HCl salt form and turn it into a freebase, but I have no idea how you would perform that.

I would suggest looking over that first link if you plan on doing this. It says that the products of combustion are carbon oxides and nitrogen oxide. It says that it is also carcinogenic to the lungs and mucous membranes

It sounds like it could be quite interesting though. I think I will start to do an extraction tonight. I will need some help in a process for taking the extracted Diphen and making it into a base. Do you think an ammonia and ether extraction would work like for cocaine HCl? and if so, is there a substitute for ether that can be used? because i have no clue as to where to get any of that

Nice. And yes, right on the dot man, ether ammonia, I assume diphen should be stable enough to handle a base like ammonia.

Who ARE you though? I know damn well a new arrival doesn't know this much.

lets see...WITHOUT looking at the inactives...my best guess would be

dissolve it in warm water, filter, keep the filtrate and evaporate it
repeat with methanol
stick it in a nonpolar solvent, filter it, keep what's left on the filter paper and dry it
maybe repeat that
then i'd probably dissolve it in some water then base it out with lye or ammonia, add my np solvent and agitate, then decant off the nonpolar layer and put it in the freezer. if any of it precipitates, i would recrystallize it and then dry the extract

that's how little old me with no formal chem training would do it...but if anybody is serious about it they'd better listen to what stupid noob says

Personally, I prefer smoking dimenhydrinate.

i would consider trying it...

you would have to consider my lack of chemistry equipment and whatnot... acid/base extraction i would guess? looking down this page looks like a CWE might work...

ive smoked fairly small amounts of datura and found it by no means unpleasant.

Next thread: Shooting Diphenhydramine.

FUCK SN if they start gakking my precious benadryl-smokeables because there's a fucking report on CNN about a "General Allergy Medicine Recall" due to 13 year olds smokin' pink rocks in school bathrooms I'm gonna be pissed!



Who ARE you though?

http://www.steelpicker.com/pictures/a026%20I%20AM%20Batman.JPG

lol this.

Ok im back. Active ingrediant: Diphenhydramine HCl 25 mg
Inactive ingrediants: corn starch, D & C red #27, dicalcium phosphate, magnesium stearate, microcrystalline, cellulose, polyethylene glycol, polyvinyl alcohol, silicon dioxide, stearic acid, talc, titanium dioxide.

Thats from a generic brand of benadryl Our Family Allergy complete relief.

I'm not a neurologist, but I would be concerned about using such a direct route of administration for an anticholinergic. I don't know if diphen has any long term effects on acetylcholine levels, but any ill effects would be much more pronounced when smoked, especially at doses considered "recreational".

You bring up a very valid point here, but if you consider the type of person willing to do diphen in the first place, that point is moot. They don't give a shit.

I'm down dude.

corn starch

Will gunk up your aqueous phase. Can be lysed with acid reflux.

microcrystalline, cellulose

Has no comma. Will not dissolve in your water. Might be worth isolating for other reasons, though you'd have no reason to. Can be removed with a coffee filter.

silicon dioxide

Insoluble in water.

talc

Think it's insoluble in water.

So... that's a bit that'll be taken out with water alone. Assuming you take care on the corn starch (you can buy a box to practice with, even), you will have a pile of sand (in the case of the SiO2, literally) on the bottom . Gone.

When lysing the corn starch, be careful not to deesterify the diphen.

dicalcium phosphate

Probably insoluble in water - its tricalcium analog is also known as "bone" in its natural state.

magnesium stearate

Probably insoluble in water. Stearic acid is a notoriously insoluble-in-everything lipophile.

polyethylene glycol, polyvinyl alcohol,

Shouldn't base out. Without the corn starch, it should be a simple filter 'n precipitate. With the corn starch... maybe you want to carmelize, maybe you want to lyse. Note that acid lysis will also acid-exchange some of your salts.

Should be doable 'n simple. You picked up good diphen for extraction. Have fun!

Nice. And yes, right on the dot man, ether ammonia, I assume diphen should be stable enough to handle a base like ammonia.

Who ARE you though? I know damn well a new arrival doesn't know this much.

Aight well that sounds good. Whatever brand I end up getting, I'm going to do a little research on everything inactive in it, and see if there isn't a way to get all that gunk out of my final product without messing up the final product. My only problem is going to be getting the ether. I have money, and a damn good drop spot, but no place to buy it from. If there is an alternative to using ether, please let me know.

That's some useful info Joe, I'll make sure to keep that in mind when tryin to get the diphen out. What is this acid lyse and carmelizing you speak of and how would one go about doing it?

I looked it up, and it sounds like using something to break a cell wall(of the corn starch) so that the cell dissolves? sounds like it should work, but how would you do something like that?

As for being a New Arrival, well shit, just because I'm new doesn't mean I'm dumb. I've been lurking around since like a week or 2 after last registration closed. No joke man, you can ask the mods if I have another account on the same IP.

If anyone does ending up doing this, let me be the first to say, STEP BY STEP PIX OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! YOU COULD BE THE NEXT PICKWICK!!!

What is this acid lyse and carmelizing you speak of and how would one go about doing it?

Two different things... 'n I'm not surprised that "lysis" turned up cell lysis in protien extraction, but that's not what we're doing here...

Starch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starch) is basically a catch-all term for multiunit carbohydrates. Basically, it's a crapload of sugars polymerized with what is usually an esterified bond.

Attack it with acid, it tends to fall back apart into simple sugars. In fact, one can demonstrate this to one's self pretty easy with a slice of bread 'n a glass of lemonade, which makes for very convenient eating. ;) Take a bite of bread, a sip of lemonade, 'n feel the bread just instantly melt.

The downside of this is that diphenhydramine is also an ester, between whatever godforsaken dimethylalkylamine it is and diphenymethylenol. The reason there's still hope to destroy the starch through acid lysis is that - as demonstrated by the bread & lemonade example - lysis of complex carbohydrates tends to be almost instantaneous in fairly gentle conditions which other things could withstand with ease.

Carmelization, otoh, is a fancy way of saying "KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!" - at least when it comes to the sugars. It's the same caramel that's on your caramel apples and other candies, and the process is fairly simple - when you heat a sugar, it turns brown 'n undergoes chemical changes. I'm guessing these involve carbonization with the elimination of water, but point being, it's not quite the same sugary substance it was.

This is extremely popular with disabling methylcellulose, which forms a bitchin' goo on contact with water. I have no idea what it would do with corn starch, but it's worth considering - and like I said, whole boxes of corn starch to experiment on are fairly cheap. ;)

Two different things... 'n I'm not surprised that "lysis" turned up cell lysis in protien extraction, but that's not what we're doing here...

Starch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starch) is basically a catch-all term for multiunit carbohydrates. Basically, it's a crapload of sugars polymerized with what is usually an esterified bond.

Attack it with acid, it tends to fall back apart into simple sugars. In fact, one can demonstrate this to one's self pretty easy with a slice of bread 'n a glass of lemonade, which makes for very convenient eating. ;) Take a bite of bread, a sip of lemonade, 'n feel the bread just instantly melt.

The downside of this is that diphenhydramine is also an ester, between whatever godforsaken dimethylalkylamine it is and diphenymethylenol. The reason there's still hope to destroy the starch through acid lysis is that - as demonstrated by the bread & lemonade example - lysis of complex carbohydrates tends to be almost instantaneous in fairly gentle conditions which other things could withstand with ease.

Carmelization, otoh, is a fancy way of saying "KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!" - at least when it comes to the sugars. It's the same caramel that's on your caramel apples and other candies, and the process is fairly simple - when you heat a sugar, it turns brown 'n undergoes chemical changes. I'm guessing these involve carbonization with the elimination of water, but point being, it's not quite the same sugary substance it was.

This is extremely popular with disabling methylcellulose, which forms a bitchin' goo on contact with water. I have no idea what it would do with corn starch, but it's worth considering - and like I said, whole boxes of corn starch to experiment on are fairly cheap. ;)

Alright, that sounds fairly simple. I think I might try some of the corn starch carmelization.

I just went to the store, and found some generic gelcap pills from Rite-Aid(Dye-Free Allergy Medication). Inactive Ingredients are as follows:

gelatin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelatin), glycerin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerin), polyethylene glycol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/polyethylene_glycol), purified water, sorbitol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sorbitol)

I'm assuming that the liquid inside the gelcap contains the actual diphen, rather than the gel cap its self. if that is the case, then is it safe to assume that the gelatin is of no consequence as long as you cut them open and get ht liquid out.

as for solubility, glycerin and sorbitol are water soluble and insoluble in ether and chloroform. polyethylene glycol is soluble in cold and hot water, readily soluble in aromatic hydrocarbons, and slightly soluble in aliphatic hydrocarbons.

I don't know if it would be worth it to use these, but it does have a lot less ingredients to deal with. any opinions?

Diphen may be the only active ingredient, but there are tons of inactives in it. For that specific brand the inactives are FD&C Blue No. 1 , Gelatin , Lactose , Magnesium Stearate , and Talc. http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100080&id=prod5613#ingredient

I believe thats just the capsule

I believe thats just the capsule

Oh pardon me, if you believe it, it must be true. Earlier in the thread someone posted a pressed pill with some of the same inactives, so I'd hate to break it to you, but it's not just the capsule.

Oh pardon me, if you believe it, it must be true. Earlier in the thread someone posted a pressed pill with some of the same inactives, so I'd hate to break it to you, but it's not just the capsule.

Those inactives are things used to make the blue gelatin capsules

Diphen may be the only active ingredient, but there are tons of inactives in it. For that specific brand the inactives are FD&C Blue No. 1 , Gelatin , Lactose , Magnesium Stearate , and Talc. http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100080&id=prod5613#ingredient

I'd say the only thing cutting your diphen in that is Lactose , Magnesium Stearate , and Talc.

Sleepinal may be the way to go...

You people are like rabid dogs.

*runs to pill stash*

I'm gonna grind up a few benadryl and straight up smoke it.


Wish me luck

That's not nice to talk about rabid dogs like that.

http://www.slimeculture.tv/assets/images/blog/crazy-face_2.jpg

http://www.wayodd.com/funny-pictures2/funny-pictures-cujo---part-2-aS1.jpg

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/D2ABD5CB-7025-4598-98B2-14E99E5FF1E0/0/01rabies03.jpg

Rabid dogs are funny.

I wasn't joking

I wasn't joking

Well smoke that shiiit Shorty and come back and tell us how it was.

Well smoke that shiiit Shorty and come back and tell us how it was.

Gross

But it killed 30 minutes, so whatev

This is a sick joke, stupid noob.

Alright, I just bought some diphenhydramine at the store. All the ones there had a pretty big list of inactives.

If there's too many in this one for it to be logical to work with, I can check some other stores and try to find a better one.

Inactives: Candelilla wax, crospovidone, dibasic calcium phosphate dihydrate, D&C red no. 27 aluminum lake, hypromellose, magnesium stearate, microcrystalline cellulose, polyethylene glycol, polysorbate 80, pregelatinized starch, stearic acid, and titanium dioxide.

For those of you that haven't read, Rave has already been there and done it. Shits gross.

He didn't smoked diphen that has been extracted out and turned into a base. There's bound to be a big difference.

naptha? no. iso alcohol? maybe, but you would want the 91% concentration at least. everclear would work best.

here's a little disclaimer: what i typed there is just WHAT I WOULD DO...i haven't ever done it nor am I positive it would work, but I'm pretty sure that's how a chemical like diphenhydramine would behave under those conditions. you're welcome to give it a try but like I said before, LISTEN TO STUPID NOOB.

and sn...any comments on that?

edit: here's a link to buy diphenhydramine hcl powder in bulk...interesting

http://sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLD4033

Ideally it will be an oil, or waxy solid, depending on it's melting point. As for vape point, no idea, but it wouldn't be hard to do a few tests first. And who the hell said anything about methanol? Yes, ethanol would be an ideal replacement for it usually, but I really need to know WHAT part of the extraction you are referring to, to give a solid answer.



And for some reason, when looking at the diphen source there, I am reminded of project mayhem.

Ahaha, this thread has single handedly renewed my faith in totse.

Oh pardon me, if you believe it, it must be true. Earlier in the thread someone posted a pressed pill with some of the same inactives, so I'd hate to break it to you, but it's not just the capsule.

SHUT THE FUCK UP DON'T TALK TO CORPSE GRINDER IN SUCH A MANNER, motherfucker.

Sup, Corpse Grinder :)

What have you been up to, fucking "lol facebook me" sometime damnit.

Interesting.

I'm gonna go do a workup, I'll let you guys know how it goes. I always -was- a fan of proper deleraious hallucinations where you can't tell fact from fiction, as opposed to (though awesome in their own right) 'hallucinations' which are nothing more then fascinating colours and geometric intricacies.

Fuck, though, there's a vast market for this kind of shit in my town, though. I live in a town whose drug subculture is SO fucking retarded, everybody thinks that crack means speed.

If I were freebase it would you test it?

EDIT: I remember you saying you actually like it.

Mmm. Diph is like being schizophrenic for twelve hours, orally. I can't imagine why you would want to intensify those effects.

I'll read your trip reports if you aren't institutionalized.

mike

If I were freebase it would you test it?

EDIT: I remember you saying you actually like it.

Ya, I probably would.

Ya, I probably would.

FUCK that

Wowee, this is my 7th grade camping trip all over again. I'm serious; I mean, I didn't ask anybody to smoke it, but holy shit. Deja vu.

Of course, nobody actually ended up doing it, and I gained quite a notorious reputation for the few following weeks....

But hey, in the name of science, M I Rite?

EDIT: Oh, and when I'm finally old enough to smoke, I'll have to try this. ;)

Well that is a valid concern, but the scopolamine in Datura is a really powerful anticholinergic so smoking DPH is probably no worse for you. It's probably going to make your mouth feel like a desert though.

Ive got this can of raid. Now I know that aerosol cans are explosive if you allow the spray to catch on fire. But it looks like a crack rock. What if?

Smoke raid.

hahapwned

glame

Thats a fucking horrible idea.

I know, right? I mean, I was only half serious, and plainly stated that I would never do this myself. I am still waiting for someone to post an experience. The basic extraction info has already been posted by other people several times. I'm just waiting. Wondering how many people have actually tried this, and haven't posted it yet because they are still in the middle of fighting huge spiders.

Dude, I tried it. It was RADiculous.

Dude, I tried it. It was RAIDiculous.

fixed

fixed

Ruined. Raid is out.

I lol'd.

Alcohol evaporates man.

and an acid/base extraction might be able to get the sugars out... or hell the cold water extraction might suffice, evaporate the alcohol off, pour whats left into warm water, cool in the freezer and collect the precipitate...

man i'm going to be pissed if the next rave i go to some body sells me Diph rocks for the ride home instead of crack.

hey stupid noob, a little off topic but i came across some lidocaine today. need any of that?

i regret mentioning things like this in such an open forum but I don't have any means to contact you privately.

Hm...interesting idea, but I think I'd still prefer to stick with normal DPH pills. I can get them from the drug store, 50mg and the only active ingredient is the DPH =) and I must say...one time I took 6 of them at the mall (300mg), and fuck...bad idea, this is a short summary of what happened:

-I bought taco bell because I had to "do something" so I didn't draw "suspicion". I didn't even eat it, when I tried to lift a fry to my mouth it was like being in a slow-motion movie.
-I was sitting in a really comfy chair at starbucks, and every time I closed my eyes I could read books that weren't there.
-Same starbucks, there were two guys in front of me talking. It sounded like they were switching between german and english mid-sentence many times over. It was so convincing I wanted to ASK them if they knew how to speak german, I obviously would of looked like an idiot.

Be careful with them Deliriants.

No thanks man, though I appreciate the offer. I recently found a source (FOUND) for pharm grade lidocaine powder, and ordered an assload of it, so I am good on lidocaine for like, the next year.

No thanks man, though I appreciate the offer. I recently found a source (FOUND) for pharm grade lidocaine powder, and ordered an assload of it, so I am good on lidocaine for like, the next year.

oh yea i remember that, was it from that link that one guy posted where they were selling massive amounts of lido powder?

oh yea i remember that, was it from that link that one guy posted where they were selling massive amounts of lido powder?
No, I found this source on my own.

No, I found this source on my own.

ah, well good to hear your in less pain for a while... any news on insurance and getting the leg amputated?

I can't believe I didn't clue into that. xxombie said she'd do it tonight. So I'll get on it next week when I'm not working. I'll try and do a video / audio recording of the trip. Make it extra wicked.

EDIT: Whoa! I didn't hear about the leg amputation. You don't have to explain as you've probly already done so a bunch of times. Love.

ah, well good to hear your in less pain for a while... any news on insurance and getting the leg amputated?

I've had insurance for a while now, and the doctors keep dicking me around on amputation. I just got sick of the whole thing and said fuck it all. I'm tired of being told there is nothing they can do for me. My doctor gave my cymbalta for pain. WHAT THE FUCK YOU WHORE. I mean, she still gives me a gram of hydrocodone a month, which I promptly sell, so it's not THAT bad, but as far as actual help, I do it myself, doctors are fucking worthless.


OH, and when she gave me the cymbalta, I asked about interactions with 5htp and she said I would be fine. Yeah, fuck you doc. I'll do my own research thank you, and thank god I did too. The only thing she is good for is prescribing me narcotics, which don't help my pain, but they DO help my wallet, which means it's just that much more weed and other drugs I can buy that actually help.

I'm not letting you record me.

I'm not letting you record me.

quiet bitch

quiet bitch
no u


I really don't want videos of me doing retarded shit.

no u


I really don't want videos of me doing retarded shit.

You let me record you that other time ;) wasn't as much retarded as sexy though.

How about an audio?

You let me record you that other time ;) wasn't as much retarded as sexy though.

How about an audio?
Hahahah. Oh.


Eh, maybe. We'll see how things go. Depends on how well it actually works.

Hahahah. Oh.


Eh, maybe. We'll see how things go. Depends on how well it actually works.

It'll work, don't you worry. Are you still in town? If so, you should stay in again and we should chill after I get off work.

It'll work, don't you worry. Are you still in town? If so, you should stay in again and we should chill after I get off work.
No I'm home. I didn't really sleep last night and I'm super tired. But you guys should come in tomorrow and buy my stuff because I'm having a yard sale.

I really don't want videos of me doing retarded shit.

Who said you were gonna get them?

Bump.

Has benadryl ever been on the news as abusable? I've seen the "hot new drug teenagers are abusing"(dxm) as well as inhalants. But I've never seen benadryl on the news. I can see it now: "Over the counter drug can cause hallucinations, and your teenager may be abusing it!". I haven't seen nutmeg either, but it takes a special breed of retard to do nutmeg.

I haven't seen nutmeg either, but it takes a special breed of retard to do nutmeg.

And benadryl as well.

I feel fucking terrible for anyone dumb enough to try this shit.

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^^ you don't get the reason he picked out benadryl for what he wants people to smoke, do you?

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no im drunk leave me alone


sry

next, smoking cyclizine

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Pharms_Cyclizine.shtml

From the first sentence of the first trip report for cyclizine:
I’ve done diphenhydramine, dimenhydrinate, meclizine, and cyclizine.
LOL, what a faggot. I stopped reading.

you don't get the reason he picked out benadryl for what he wants people to smoke, do you?

The lulz?

it takes a special breed of retard to do nutmeg.

Thanks for reminding me. You've put it on my plans for tonight...

Thanks for reminding me. You've put it on my plans for tonight...


spice must flow?

spice must flow?

It must! The spice is vital to space travel!!!!

But..... why nutmeg?

But..... why nutmeg?

Because cloves 'n allspice won't cross the blood-brain barrier?

Oh, yeah... and because it kicks ass.

some of you are poorly misinformed...JP is a nutmeg fiend...he fucking reduces it or extracts it or some science shit but whenever he does it it doesn't count as stupidity, as JP is not a 14 year old RAIDing the kitchen to get high...he is about as far from that as is even possible

Because cloves 'n allspice won't cross the blood-brain barrier?

Oh, yeah... and because it kicks ass.

sometimes i wonder about you joe...

don't the active chemicals in nutmeg cause liver damage at "recreational" doses? i know your smarter than that, you have a method to minimize the damage?

sometimes i wonder about you joe...

...and it only gets wierder from here... ;)

don't the active chemicals in nutmeg cause liver damage at "recreational" doses? i know your smarter than that, you have a method to minimize the damage?

That's why I consume hepatoprotectants in large doses. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12617584?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed)

;) Crazy.

That's why I consume hepatoprotectants in large doses. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12617584?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed)

;) Crazy.

haha wow, sneaky!

This I knew. I was just wondering why he prefers it to other psychoactives with similar effects.

This I knew. I was just wondering why he prefers it to other psychoactives with similar effects.

- I would have to buy multiple fine substances from the psychedelic, empathogen, and cannabinoid categories.

- I would then have to time them very carefully in an annoyingly precise ritual if I wanted to simulate said effects.

- I would still have to tweak it by hitting a precise biochemistry in combination with the extrinsic agonist at certain times.

- I have only the most crude and vague lead on the nootropic switchup that lies between tripping in a roll and tripping fucking stoned.

...and... I feel it still might be missing some small minutiae of myristic character, even if it would be a hard to distinguish substitute at all that work and expense. It provides the most purpouseful trip of equal pleasure across time enough to a voyage at high quality.

...incidentally, for less than a quarter... but it's the use one get out of it - and the use one put it to - that's important.

Another fascinating.... ___gen... is a tryptophan-loading attack on a lot of days of a lot of cannabis a number of weeks later. It, however, is not less than a quarter, most usually in either sense...

So I just read through 15 pages of shit and still no one has smoked this yet?!

No nick, it's the number 4 that comes after the number 3. We're on page 4, not 15!

Good try though.

- I would have to buy multiple fine substances from the psychedelic, empathogen, and cannabinoid categories.

- I would then have to time them very carefully in an annoyingly precise ritual if I wanted to simulate said effects.

- I would still have to tweak it by hitting a precise biochemistry in combination with the extrinsic agonist at certain times.

- I have only the most crude and vague lead on the nootropic switchup that lies between tripping in a roll and tripping fucking stoned.

...and... I feel it still might be missing some small minutiae of myristic character, even if it would be a hard to distinguish substitute at all that work and expense. It provides the most purpouseful trip of equal pleasure across time enough to a voyage at high quality.

...incidentally, for less than a quarter... but it's the use one get out of it - and the use one put it to - that's important.

Another fascinating.... ___gen... is a tryptophan-loading attack on a lot of days of a lot of cannabis a number of weeks later. It, however, is not less than a quarter, most usually in either sense...

Hmmm, now I'm interested.

So how do you extract this stuff? What other compounds do you take to enhance the high? Is there anything you can do to separate out the safrole and eugenols?

lol, I'm an acolyte and even I know that you use 40 posts per page view. Fucking Noob.

Anyways, I have this stuff extracted and I'm waiting to get back from vacation to do it with my friends. We're going to be posting taking pics, and I also have pics on the extraction of it. I might post my own thread for this, but I dont know yet.

well if nobody else has the balls to try it I guess I'll go ahead...

Do it. You'll trip balls.

Send me the stuff in the mail and ill smoke it on cam
ill probably fuck up the extraction :D

This seems hopeful. Or at least this idea in general even if not sent to this poster. SN or Joe should just cook a batch up then mail it whoever wants to smoke it.

Anyone willing to smoke this shit probably isn't capable of making it properly.

I know there's diphenhydramine thinstrips that dissolve on your tounge available otc, I just can't remember the brand name. They would probably have a lot less inactive ingredients that tablets or caps. Anyway I'd rather take benadryl by mouth, stick to what's tried and true. Do yourself a favor and never take more that 100mg DPH, The body load feels terrible.

When I was in the hospital I got 25mg benadryl slow IVP as a sleep aid. It was a very odd feeling, just like the effect of a 100mg PO dose, somewhat unpleasant but it did help me fall asleep.

yo im down for tryin to smoke nthe dreaded dph haha but email me here sn johnnyboy200@hushmail.com with the instructions an ill do it and post a trip report asap.

Remember that episode of House, where he had a cold? He was sniffing diphenhydramine, and wilson thought it was coke :)

mike

Anyway I'd rather take benadryl by mouth, stick to what's tried and true. Do yourself a favor and never take more that 100mg DPH, The body load feels terrible.

I tried it just to see what all the fuss was about. I took 250mg my first time and absolutely nothing happend. Then a few months later I tried 400mg and still didn't experience anything profound like all the erowid trip reports claim. My vision was cloudy and certain objects seemed to emit a smoke/vapor which behaved quite well concerning fluid mechanics. I got the "bugs" and streaks of light shooting past my field of vision but no actuall trip. No talking to people who arn't there, no moving objects, no spiders/scorpions/webs, no body load (felt uncoordinated), no trip.

Even if I raised the dose I won't ever give this drug another chance. I felt extremely tired and "out of it" the next day and felt generally unhealthy for the next week or so. Out of all the drugs I've forced my body to tolerate, diphenhydramine has probably been the most harmful. I had "bugs" and black/white specs occasionally dance around my field of view for about a week post-use. I can deal with headaches and occasional post-trip wave vision, but those damn streaks of light really started to irritate and worry me by day 2 or 3.

Don't even try this stuff.

I dont know man Ive actually had some semi "enjoyable" expirences on it dph is low down on mylist of drugs I like but it has its moments

ah oh my god are you fucking kidding this shit is so easy I've been doing basic extractions on stupid shit like this for so long read on totse bltc and poppy tea erowids citric acid nutmeg extraction trip report cwes bubble hash all this shit is so similar it takes no memorization. Your just lazy. No one believes me I did this shit but I did and only did a little bit because the time before vampires were chasing me in the mall and some goth girl cursed me because I laughed at a freddy doll. That was enough embarassment. I don't need everyone looking at me funny and security guards chasing me again. It works and you will get a somewhat kind of half assed enjoyableish buzz from just a little.

so did this die?

so did this die?

i sure hope not

ah oh my god are you fucking kidding this shit is so easy I've been doing basic extractions on stupid shit like this for so long read on totse bltc and poppy tea erowids citric acid nutmeg extraction trip report cwes bubble hash all this shit is so similar it takes no memorization. Your just lazy. No one believes me I did this shit but I did and only did a little bit because the time before vampires were chasing me in the mall and some goth girl cursed me because I laughed at a freddy doll. That was enough embarassment. I don't need everyone looking at me funny and security guards chasing me again. It works and you will get a somewhat kind of half assed enjoyableish buzz from just a little.

Lol

I don't believe you one bit.

You give off the impression that you're barely smart enough to use a microwave, let alone perform any sort of extraction.

You fail.

I absolutely hated diphenhydramine, I felt delirious the entire night I took it and the entire day after until I woke up the NEXT morning. It was horrible and I'm never going to take that many again. I think I took 30 or 40 something... of the pink pills

awesome.

just take 10-12 next time.

chillout, smoke weed, and make/listen to music.

just take 10-12 next time.

chillout, smoke weed, and make/listen to music.

No....Just.......no.

Diphenhydramine was not meant to use for it's psychoactive properties.

I mean, to each his own I suppose...But there's very few of you wierd fucks that enjoy it. Want to trip out? Take some LSD. It's a safer bet that you'll enjoy yourself.

No....Just.......no.

Diphenhydramine was not meant to use for it's psychoactive properties.

I mean, to each his own I suppose...But there's very few of you wierd fucks that enjoy it. Want to trip out? Take some LSD. It's a safer bet that you'll enjoy yourself.
SHhhhhhhhhhh!!!

post.

diphen some funny ass shit
i told this guy in jail that you can trip off that shit
and he was like what the fuck is wrong with you
i took 50 of those things in 2 days and kept taking them all week long i got hooked on it
then after raiding everyones kitchen for bendryls
i tripped for 4 weeks
everything was like i was on a ship and shit was floating around that was fucked haha i took some when i was 12 probably just passed out fucked my mind a little
but if you really wanna ruin your brain cells this is the drug of choice

SHhhhhhhhhhh!!!

So.... have you even tried to get a hold of anyone willing to do this? Or was this thread pointless from the beginning? I'm starting to suspect you don't even know how to do this. It seems there have been countless individuals who claim they are willing to do this but apparently it's not getting done.

Fucking teach someone or close this shit/waste-of-space thread. I'm sick of checking back every so often to find nothing accomplished.

So.... have you even tried to get a hold of anyone willing to do this? Or was this thread pointless from the beginning? I'm starting to suspect you don't even know how to do this. It seems there have been countless individuals who claim they are willing to do this but apparently it's not getting done.

Fucking teach someone or close this shit/waste-of-space thread. I'm sick of checking back every so often to find nothing accomplished.
troll?

if you really wanna ruin your brain cells this is the drug of choice

This much is obvious.

if you really wanna ruin your brain cells this is the drug of choice
I can tell...

The best cleanest source has been discussed thoroughly and extraction methods have been discussed and verified as theoretically possible by several other very intelligent members. You just didn't read the thread. Well, and no ones done it yet either. I can't help it that people don't have the balls to try something new. I put the info out there, as did several others.

Not to mention I said from the beginning that I despise this shitty drug and everything about it.

i hate that shit. 9/10 dope dealers in stl cut their shit with diphen so its easier to divvy up $10 doses.. most of them take it too far and put too much fuckin diphen in the pills, you IV that shit and have a horrible diphen OD end up freezing and shaking for 5 hours instead of nodding in blissful euphoria.. fuckin dumb niggas

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