You can't. No way in hell. I think that's something everyone can agree with. Am I right?

no because its like taking ice cream scoops out if your brain.

Source?

I work in a club where MDMA is abundant. I don't have a problem with it. Its more the people with their big eyes and constant chewing. Its annoying

Source?

weeds, season 1. final episode. The cop says it, so it must be true.

weeds, season 1. final episode. The cop says it, so it must be true.
Oh, alright.

http://www.thebadandugly.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/drugs-are-bad.jpg

M'kay?

Nothing wrong with the actual drug, i've took pills more times than i can remember. The wrong part comes the next day when you're feeling like shit, contemplating suicide.

Bad? Nonsense I think a few hits make for a fun night...maybe thats just me.


The Agency.

Happy chewing loved up wide eye punters > angry stupid drunken confrontational punters

ok....one time my friend took too much and was lying in the road rubbing his cheeks on the road exclaiming "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh!"


another time i got told about this guy who prolly had meth in his mdma and he got in a bad fight and now hes in prison for reallllly hurting someone..


another time my friends friend was taking them on a regular basis and had a huge tollerance and didn't want to waste them (because if you take some and its not enough you cant reach a higher peak) so he took them all.......well, they were stronger than he expected and ended up in hostpital and died.



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Rave rave rave

ok....one time my friend took too much and was lying in the road rubbing his cheeks on the road exclaiming "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh!"
Get him inside

another time i got told about this guy who prolly had meth in his mdma and he got in a bad fight and now hes in prison for reallllly hurting someone..
MDMA doesn't make you want to kill someone...either that was meth somehow or your friend is a dumbass

another time my friends friend was taking them on a regular basis and had a huge tollerance and didn't want to waste them (because if you take some and its not enough you cant reach a higher peak) so he took them all.......well, they were stronger than he expected and ended up in hostpital and died.
Don't be a retard and fucking OD


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It's called moderation. Rolls aren't meant to be eaten several times a week. E-tards are among the most pathetic creatures of the drug culture.

E is such a soft drug to me now. Its so sad when all rolls begin to suck just do to serotonin depletion. I need like 2-3 white automatics to be really fucked up.

Just start doing heroin, kid.

neurotoxic

weeds, season 1. final episode. The cop says it, so it must be true.

I LOVE weeds. Did you watch it last night? Celia got pistolwhipped! :D
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Alright, I think NO drug is all bad. Sure ALL drugs can have bad consequences, but what doesn't?

The argument against MDMA is that it (When used in a manner consistent to that of a dumb-ass) can Kill you, but if the dumb-asses die, that'd be a good thing, no?
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Anyway, I've heard that using lots of MDMA for a couple days (If you were partying over the weekend, for example) can run your brain dry on Seratonin, causing the person to be in a deep depression that lasts a couple days.

Any truth to that?

I know plenty of etards who roll only on weekends and no, we are probs one of the most caring, loving, un-violent people on the planet.
its just cause you Americans always have meth cut into your pills. :(

Anyway, I've heard that using lots of MDMA for a couple days (If you were partying over the weekend, for example) can run your brain dry on Seratonin, causing the person to be in a deep depression that lasts a couple days.

Any truth to that?

Of course.

jenkins: I wouldn't really consider someone who rolls pure MDMA on weekends an e-tard. I'm talking about the suburban kids who eat 3-4 ever three nights or so and firmly believe that triple-stacked dolphins are so much better than double-stacked blue Supermans.

MDMA is wonderful.

MDMA is wonderful.

yeah it is

shard molly>pressed pills

I LOVE weeds. Did you watch it last night? Celia got pistolwhipped! :D
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Alright, I think NO drug is all bad. Sure ALL drugs can have bad consequences, but what doesn't?

The argument against MDMA is that it (When used in a manner consistent to that of a dumb-ass) can Kill you, but if the dumb-asses die, that'd be a good thing, no?
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Anyway, I've heard that using lots of MDMA for a couple days (If you were partying over the weekend, for example) can run your brain dry on Seratonin, causing the person to be in a deep depression that lasts a couple days.

Any truth to that?

MDMA commonly has a depressive afterglow. I don't know what the cause is though.

Also, in regard to neurotoxicity, I'm pretty sure it's still inconclusive as to whether it is or not. Anyone got conclusive evidence?

I'm afraid you are not right. Behold...

1. MDMA promotes permanent, lifelong changes in worldview in the direction of peace, tolerance, nonviolence, and respect.

(source : Erowid experience reports)

2. Tolerance and nonviolence will lead to the downfall of civilization through balkanization and the moral decay of a permissive secular culture.

(source : the fascist establishment right)

Now... I personally believe the exact opposite of the second premise... but...

(a) "Bad" is subjective, and more importantly...

(b) Anything (and its inverse) can be proven with the right set of carefully selected premises.

I wouldn't classify it as bad. Just don't be stupid if you are going to do drugs.... You should only really take x once a month because it takes about a month for your brain to recupperate. ;)

First off let me state, to the kidiots who think that just because you took meth/pcp/crack you aren't just going to snap and go into a violent rampage. I mean there is people who do that while high on the drugs, but there is way more people who take those drugs and act "normal".

The bad thing about MDMA is the next day, when your brain uses up its supply of serotonin and you feel that chemical depression that no one or any drug can fix. And from frequent uses, the flood of serotonin causes the receptors to become less sensitive so when your serotonin levels are back to normal it won't feel like it for a while.

http://www.dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/depression.php

The bad thing about MDMA is the next day, when your brain uses up its supply of serotonin and you feel that chemical depression that no one or any drug can fix. And from frequent uses, the flood of serotonin causes the receptors to become less sensitive so when your serotonin levels are back to normal it won't feel like it for a while.


5-HTP, taken a few days before and a week or so after tends to eliminate everything but the next-day jaw clenching for me, and I have a feeling that side effect is more because of the goddamn meth they put in the rolls as opposed to the MDMA. I take 100mg a day in the morning on the lead up, and 200mg a day after I've rolled, 100mg in the morning, and 100mg at night. My chick halves these doseages and also reports diminished side effects as well.

I'm afraid you are not right. Behold...

1. MDMA promotes permanent, lifelong changes in worldview in the direction of peace, tolerance, nonviolence, and respect.

(source : Erowid experience reports)

2. Tolerance and nonviolence will lead to the downfall of civilization through balkanization and the moral decay of a permissive secular culture.

(source : the fascist establishment right)

Now... I personally believe the exact opposite of the second premise... but...

(a) "Bad" is subjective, and more importantly...

(b) Anything (and its inverse) can be proven with the right set of carefully selected premises.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/Brian_totse/1215454241379.jpg

You're going into into completely unrelated subjects. This is about physical and mental consequences of MDMA. Whether or not widespread use will cause the downfall of society is irrelevant.

The bad thing about MDMA is the next day, when your brain uses up its supply of serotonin and you feel that chemical depression that no one or any drug can fix. And from frequent uses, the flood of serotonin causes the receptors to become less sensitive so when your serotonin levels are back to normal it won't feel like it for a while.

http://www.dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/depression.php


My experiences with MDMA so far haven't ended up with me feeling depressed the next day what so ever, just pretty lethargic.

And i have taken MDMA two nights in a row and still after that not depressed just fucking knackered.
Anyone else not get the whole depressed thing?

You aren't rolling often enough to feel the depression. Trust me, it happens once you get to that point...and back-to-back nights of rolling won't do it. Try a couple times a week for months.

comedown sucks...

possible neurotoxicity...

possible to overdose on...

very little consistency as far as whats in your pills...

decent addiction potential...

As far as drugs go i wish it wasn't always cut with meth or god knows what... pure MDMA is not such a bad thing, at least when its pure you know what your taking but then again if i ever really get into it im investing in a test kit..

now Prove to me that LSD is a bad thing... only things i can think of are possible psychological effects like HPPD or flashbacks...

LSD itself is harmless, but the shit it can make people do isin't always so benign.

LSD is wonderful.

My experiences with MDMA so far haven't ended up with me feeling depressed the next day what so ever, just pretty lethargic.

And i have taken MDMA two nights in a row and still after that not depressed just fucking knackered.
Anyone else not get the whole depressed thing?
I don't either, but lethargic, horribly so. I did 8 days in a row back on spring break, next day I had school, went something like this:
Woke up, wipes some dried blood of my face, laid there for 10-15 minutes, got out of bed and sat on it for another 15 or so, sat on the toilet for another 10, stood in the shower for about 20, laid in down the shower for 10, got a nosebleed, sat on the side of the bathtub for 10 bleeding all over myself, got back in the shower for a few minutes, got out and went and laid on my bed again, got dressed, sat staring at a bowl of cereal for a long time, smoked a joint and drove to school.

It didn't last though.

LSD is good for you.

LSD Wins. I have yet to find a proper source of LSD. It has been many, many years since I've had LSD. I long for it.

Its a wonderfull drug... but too much will cause severe depression and seritonin loss. Fuck that.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/Brian_totse/1215454241379.jpg

You're going into into completely unrelated subjects. This is about physical and mental consequences of MDMA.

Unfortunately, that's not in the original post.

However, you can count yourself extremely fortunate, as my entire post was about... the mental consequences of MDMA.

I don't think many of you know you're talking about.

There are plenty of studies demonstrating the lasting neurological damage as a consequence of MDMA use. However, the majority of these studies involve injecting laboratory animals with obscene amounts of the chemical for days to weeks on end. Most MDMA users take a considerably smaller mg/kg ratio than what is administered to the lab animals and not for such a consistent and dramatic stretch of time. Also -- most of the MDMA users you and I know aren't mice. Mice with their differing physiology are affected by the drug in ways humans are not, vice versa.

While the findings in lab animals can and do provide useful and relevant information, these findings do not serve as a completely clear and accurate representation of the relationship between MDMA and humans specifically. Ethical implications limit what and how we research. Much of what we're left to work with is anecdotal. This posits a problem because anecdotal experiences cannot be controlled for. It's also worth noting that it's not yet fully understood how neurological changes translate into changes in behavior.

There does exist a definite correlation between depression and MDMA use/slower cognitive functioning (compared to the average non-drug user) and MDMA use in humans. While I don't doubt that much of it is indeed causal, it's not fair to attribute all of it as such. Keep in mind the type of people drawn to drug use; those who have used other drugs in the past, those stuck in an unhappy disposition, people who place less emphasis on the value education, etc.

What it boils down to is moderation. No doubt there is much positive utility (interpersonal, intrapersonal, spiritual, therapeutic) to be extracted from responsible ecstasy use. It's all a matter of finding a right balance. Although, it's glaringly obvious sometimes how in-denial many of you who identify themselves as pro-drug can be. Which is a shame because, ultimately, I feel this does more harm for the cause than good. Less people are willing to take the radical seriously, even if he does have legitimate claims to offer.

Okay.

MDMA is illegal.

The government is here to protect you.:)

They're so unconditionally nice ^^

There's no such thing as a bad drug, only bad users.

Some drugs have greater consequences than others. Some drugs are more likely to give rise to "bad users."

It can't be good for you.

You know it the next day. Something that makes you feel that heinous can't be right.

I'll still take it, now and again though.

yeah it is

shard molly>pressed pills

i disagree i've had some wicked pills (mde/mda) also meth i find more enjoyable with my rolls or i end up layin on some grass looking at the sky and shit

I do e maby, once or twice a year... I did it once last year and havn't touched it since.. Every time I do it it feels like the first time... I've never crashed or had a bad comedown.. I only do pills if I know they're clean though... I believe shulgin says as long as you only do it once every 3-4 months you're good to go..

For the most past, I think you only feel like absolute shit the next day if you're getting speed-based rolls.

http://www.mdma.net/alexander-shulgin/index.html

its what they mix with the molly that makes it bad and makes you feel like shit later.

MDMA is good if used responsibly in moderation. It's bad if you abuse it. Just don't be a dumb ass about it.

I don't think there's really much more to discuss here.

Nice clone thread from some months back.

Nice clone thread from some months back.

thanks captain o

It makes people act like absolute asses. It also makes me immensely depressed.

thanks captain o

No problem captain never seen you before faggot.

That is just because your life sucks.

Well, after about two years of at least once a week usage (I'd basically go on benders every weekend), I can honestly say that E does not fuck you up. I'm in my second year of University with a 3.7 GPA.

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2144702

I must attack the very foundation of this post.

sorting things into good and bad is ridiculous.

all things have positive and negative aspects.

MDMA.
positive-you feel fantastic, it can help you get through some deep emotional shit if used along with therapy.

negative-it is illegal and can get you arrested. You can OD. it is usually dirty.

the same kind of list can be made for acid, coke, heroin, or any drug, as well as almost any situation.

good and bad is a matter of perspective.

in the eyes of lots of his folowers hitler was a "good" man.

the jews disagreed.