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| Oh the Humanities! Philosophy, Cultural practices, Social norms, Historical Debate, War, and Sociology. |
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# 1
2008-07-14, 01:57
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Welfare Idea
I think the government should drug test everyone that wants welfare/food stamps. Maybe we'd see less hood rats at grocery stores buying piles of junk food and purple drink with their food stamp debit cards. When it's time to score bud, 40s, blunts, and newports the cash comes out. Of course people would bitch saying the drug testing aims to hurt disadvantaged minorites.
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# 2
2008-07-14, 02:08
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Re: Welfare Idea
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Originally Posted by APguy
I think the government should drug test everyone that wants welfare/food stamps. Maybe we'd see less hood rats at grocery stores buying piles of junk food and purple drink with their food stamp debit cards. When it's time to score bud, 40s, blunts, and newports the cash comes out. Of course people would bitch saying the drug testing aims to hurt disadvantaged minorites.
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While an interesting idea, it would never go into effect. One could blame their past on their addiction, and the government would not let people starve due to drug problems.
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# 3
2008-07-14, 02:11
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Re: Welfare Idea
So what about the kids of coke heads? They suffer even more (no more welfare check) b/c there parents are idiots. They already have to deal with shitty parents, but now they would have to deal with hunger.
Not feasible.
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# 4
2008-07-14, 02:15
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Re: Welfare Idea
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Originally Posted by ***
So what about the kids of coke heads? They suffer even more (no more welfare check) b/c there parents are idiots. They already have to deal with shitty parents, but now they would have to deal with hunger.
Not feasible.
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This too.
"Sorry son, no food this week, dad scored some free rock last week, got tested, and ...yeah....sorry."
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# 5
2008-07-14, 05:09
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Re: Welfare Idea
Maybe food stamps should only apply to healthy but cheap & basic foods, and not toward cigarettes/alcohol. If people want junk food and fancier food then they would have incentive to work.
I think it's misguided to blame the people who are on welfare for it's abuses, and that the problems really stem from the system itself. Perhaps the system should have more oversight, and have strict limitations and ultimatums in order to recieve state benefits.
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# 6
2008-07-14, 06:47
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Re: Welfare Idea
Perhaps a debit card that can only be used to buy essentials is in order.
I think if a parent's neglectful enough to fail their drug test and let their kids starve they should lose the kids. Simple enough answer to that particular problem.
Drug testing welfare users is a great idea, but there has to be plenty of other stuff included to get any kind of effect out of this plan.
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# 7
2008-07-15, 06:28
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Re: Welfare Idea
Or make it so that the system only helps people who are actually out of work and looking for employment and people who work full-time, but don't make enough to make ends meet.
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# 8
2008-07-15, 07:19
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Re: Welfare Idea
Or maybe we shouldn't have any sort of government sponsored social safety net at all.
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# 9
2008-07-16, 04:17
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Re: Welfare Idea
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Originally Posted by the soft skeleton
Or maybe we shouldn't have any sort of government sponsored social safety net at all.
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Isn't government itself a sponsored social safety net?
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# 10
2008-07-17, 21:50
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Re: Welfare Idea
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Originally Posted by APguy
I think the government should drug test everyone that wants welfare/food stamps. Maybe we'd see less hood rats at grocery stores buying piles of junk food and purple drink with their food stamp debit cards. When it's time to score bud, 40s, blunts, and newports the cash comes out. Of course people would bitch saying the drug testing aims to hurt disadvantaged minorites.
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Do you do drugs?
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2008-07-18, 00:21 |
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Re: Welfare Idea
As much as people on Welfare annoy me (a bunch live in my building). It is probably a necessary thing.
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#12
2008-07-22, 01:09 |
Commodore64 
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Re: Welfare Idea
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Originally Posted by Ron Smythberg
As much as people on Welfare annoy me (a bunch live in my building). It is probably a necessary thing.
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I agree.
As much as I despise the rampant abuse of welfare, I think that we would see a huge jump in violent and property crimes if it were eliminated.
There are some people that are just not going to work. They are, however going to eat.
If that means robbing people, stealing money and breaking into houses and cars, when they refuse to get a job and cannot eat, there are plenty of people who would have no problem with it.
There are a subsection of people who just aren't worth a damn. We accept this as a fact in order to have a slightly more peacefull society.
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#13
2008-07-22, 20:43 |
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Re: Welfare Idea
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Originally Posted by the soft skeleton
Or maybe we shouldn't have any sort of government sponsored social safety net at all.
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that would be the proper thing. they don't have the right to garnish my wages without my consent, for programs i don't agree with.
welfare is meant to SUBJUGATE the poor; not help them. |
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#14
2008-07-22, 20:53 |
the soft skeleton
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Re: Welfare Idea
that would be the proper thing. they don't have the right to garnish my wages without my consent, for programs i don't agree with.
welfare is meant to SUBJUGATE the poor; not help them.
Exactly. I think handing out condoms to them would be a better idea than giving them food stamps. If you can't afford to take care of a family, don't fucking have one.
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#15
2008-07-22, 21:14 |
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Re: Welfare Idea
You all are overlooking and typecasting people on welfare, what everyone fails to recognize is that decent hardworking people are on welfare too. For example you work for a factory that closes down, or you are laid off at the car plant, or the CEO's of your company decide to embezzle the profits. Then you are left screwed by the company you worked hard to support, the job market is limited and now there are 2000-10000 candidates who are exactly as qualified as you vying for the limited amount of jobs available, and you have a family of 4 to support on top of that.
Secondly, a drug testing program would cost an inordinate amount of money that the welfare system already doesn't have.
And finally, welfare is necessary and a good thing because you should never punish a child for their parents irresponsibility, or stupidity and if you think the welfare system has problems check into the social service/ foster care system, atrocious!
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#16
2008-07-22, 21:34 |
the soft skeleton
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Re: Welfare Idea
You all are overlooking and typecasting people on welfare, what everyone fails to recognize is that decent hardworking people are on welfare too. For example you work for a factory that closes down, or you are laid off at the car plant, or the CEO's of your company decide to embezzle the profits. Then you are left screwed by the company you worked hard to support, the job market is limited and now there are 2000-10000 candidates who are exactly as qualified as you vying for the limited amount of jobs available, and you have a family of 4 to support on top of that.
That's why things like welfare and health care should be privatized. It's not my responsibility to take care of someone because their job isn't secure. If I was fired or laid off, I would find a new job. It might not be a good job, and it might be a job that most people don't want to do, but then people need to adjust and learn to not live beyond their means.
Maybe if there was some sort of program where if you were worried about things like that, you could pay every month and if something happened, the organization would provide food stamps and money for bills. I would be okay with that. And workfare isn't as bad as a traditional social welfare system - I'm more supportive of that than any other sort of social program.
And finally, welfare is necessary and a good thing because you should never punish a child for their parents irresponsibility, or stupidity and if you think the welfare system has problems check into the social service/ foster care system, atrocious!
Again, they shouldn't have children.
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#17
2008-07-23, 14:06 |
realty0is0a0lie
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Re: Welfare Idea
Again, they shouldn't have children.
Your parents should have taken this advice.
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2008-07-23, 15:22 |
the soft skeleton
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Re: Welfare Idea
Your parents should have taken this advice.
Probably. Too bad.
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2008-07-25, 00:04 |
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Re: Welfare Idea
they wouldn't waste the 70 bucks it takes to drug test someone ,they get what- 100 bucks a week if that
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#20
2008-07-25, 00:23 |
illuminatikiller
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Re: Welfare Idea
When it's time to score bud, 40s, blunts, and newports the cash comes out.
No shit, can't use EBT cards to buy drugs. That's probably why the got rid of food stamps and have EBT cards instead. I know a few people who used to accept food stamps instead of cash for weed.
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2008-08-01, 04:53 |
patton
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Re: Welfare Idea
[QUOTE=pharmaceuticalfunk;10260152]You all are overlooking and typecasting people on welfare, what everyone fails to recognize is that decent hardworking people are on welfare too. For example you work for a factory that closes down, or you are laid off at the car plant, or the CEO's of your company decide to embezzle the profits. Then you are left screwed by the company you worked hard to support, the job market is limited and now there are 2000-10000 candidates who are exactly as qualified as you vying for the limited amount of jobs available, and you have a family of 4 to support on top of that.
These are the people who should get welfare. Who the govt. should support for a limited amount of time until they can get back on their feet. I have no problem with that. However, I would highly support the drug testing idea. Taxpayer money shouldn't go to some crackhead druggie nigger in the hood who uses it to buy drugs.
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2008-08-03, 19:37 |
illuminatikiller
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Re: Welfare Idea
[QUOTE]Taxpayer money shouldn't go to some crackhead druggie nigger in the hood who uses it to buy drugs.
EBT cards can't buy drugs.
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2008-08-03, 22:15 |
patton
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Re: Welfare Idea
EBT cards can't buy drugs.
But if you have an EBT card you don't have to spend the little money you do have on food, so crackhead nigger druggies can buy drugs. I don't want to give those people any money.
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2008-08-10, 17:03 |
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Re: Welfare Idea
But if you have an EBT card you don't have to spend the little money you do have on food, so crackhead nigger druggies can buy drugs. I don't want to give those people any money.
I agree with this.
Welfare states are always heavily flawed.
It's just without them the entire country looks worse, statistically. Higher poverty rates, etc.
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