I just got back from All Good (which was AMAZING) and I encountered a new drug while I was there. I'm fairly versed in substances, especially of the psychedelic type, so this shocked me. Here's the description:

It's a light brownish, kind of tan, powder.

Got sold to us as MDMA and ID'd by a guy we bought acid from as "sass." He said it was supposed to be extracted from sassafras root the same way you'd do a cocaine extraction.

It wasn't too chunky, but it needed crushed.

I'd say each piece was maybe 3/4 mm.

It didn't seem to be too hygroscopic or heat sensitive. It was around 90 degrees and it didn't melt or degrade at all in my friend's pocket for 3 days.

It took about 100 mg IN to get you high as shit. My friend did about 300 mg over the course of a few hours and felt it was too much for him, but not a dangerous level. I can do a little less, but I tend to be sensitive to stimulants.

It felt almost exactly like MDMA, except it was smoother and the euphoria wasn't as much.

The side-effects weren't nearly as pronounced as MDMA, except for nystagmus to the point of being intolerable on my part. No one else had that problem, though.

The jaw tension wasn't nearly as bad, but it was there.

My heart rate seemed to stay very low for being on a stimulant as well.

It was very visual for a roll. Lots of edges waving and such.

Audio was much enhanced, just like with MDMA.

That's all I can think of right now. If you need any more info to ID it, let me know. The thing that really made me interested was the fact that it felt almost exactly like MDMA, except my heart rate didn't go through the roof. I like this, as my family does have a history of heart problems and I smoke a lot of rollies.

Thanks in advance, and sorry if some of this is badly typed. Like I said, I just got back from All Good. :)

What? I heard what you said about me.

Dude get in IRC. Please :D

Oh, I'll try to look up what you're talking about.

Dude get in IRC. Please :D

What's the server? I think it used to be #bltc on slashnet, right? Is it still the same?

Info is in my profile.

a little info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassafras a guy that i go to burning man with is way into the shit, he loves it but i've never eaten it myself

from wikipedia


Safrole is a precursor for the clandestine manufacture of the drug ecstasy, and as such, its transport is monitored internationally.

Safrole?

Aha, i think your acid dealer was tripping..


Chances are if it wasn't mdma and it still tasted chemically like mdma but not quite, you've got one of those that fall under "mdxx".

You probobly got Methylone, the shit is dirt cheep on a few RC sites. Nice stuff. Novel MDXX are very very rare to come by, so i really doubt it was any of those.

Also, op, many of your statements make very little sense. Cocaine is not extracted from Sassafras. And Sassafras by itself is pretty fucking bad for you.

The thing that really made me interested was the fact that it felt almost exactly like MDMA, except my heart rate didn't go through the roof.

Yeah, E is different without all that meth, ain't it? ;)

...anyways, you've already been informed that MDMA et al come from safrole, and that the primary source of safrole is sassafrass root bark, and... meh, point being, you do the math. 'n saf ain't pulled from sassy by a/b, generally, nor is it aminated thusly.

Just so you know. But... yes, chances are that, well... that's what it feels like when it hasn't been stepped on with meth, frankly.

saf ain't pulled from sassy by a/b, generally, nor is it aminated thusly.
shouldn't... simply a dry, organic, vaporization suffice?

Yeah, E is different without all that meth, ain't it? ;)

I wouldn't really know, honestly. I've only ever eaten 3 pressed rolls, and none of them have done much. I'm comparing the euphoria and the side-effects to molly that I've done before that came in little, amber shards.

...anyways, you've already been informed that MDMA et al come from safrole, and that the primary source of safrole is sassafrass root bark, and... meh, point being, you do the math. 'n saf ain't pulled from sassy by a/b, generally, nor is it aminated thusly.

I knew beforehand that MDxx can come from safrole, but he said that it was done with a cocaine-like process from sassafrass.

Just so you know. But... yes, chances are that, well... that's what it feels like when it hasn't been stepped on with meth, frankly.

That would be awesome if it turns out to be so. I've still got some molly from May that matched all the reports of real MDMA (including most of the effects in PiHKAL) but this stuff felt a little different. My honest guess is that it's a name just to separate MDxx (very possibly MDA) from MDMA powder.

Also, op, many of your statements make very little sense. Cocaine is not extracted from Sassafras. And Sassafras by itself is pretty fucking bad for you.

I didn't say that coke was extracted from sassafras. I said that you use the same process (which I've now learned is just an A/B.)

Safrole is a precursor for the clandestine manufacture of the drug ecstasy, and as such, its transport is monitored internationally.

Originally posted by the SAME DAMN ARTICLE:
Safrole is a colorless or slightly yellow oily liquid.

Did you even read my post? I said it was a powder.

shouldn't... simply a dry, organic, vaporization suffice?

For extracting sassafras oil? Yes. For amination, however, a double-bonded oxygen at the 2-position followed by reduction of the methylimine is most common...

I knew beforehand that MDxx can come from safrole, but he said that it was done with a cocaine-like process from sassafrass.

Well, that would yield primarily doryafranine (http://books.google.com/books?id=b5xrxX24fJAC&pg=PA378&lpg=PA378&dq=sassafrass+alkaloids&source=web&ots=zruzcPnGcA&sig=aNaEj_R-NVYmNCft_KQDa8FMxA8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result), which I would have strong reason to suspect is actually a lot less interesting than it looks without modification...

...and would probably yield random toxic side reactions from crap like the doryflavine listed below.

Safrole itself, if somehow dried into a crust with a heavier wax (which would not be heat-stable), would, in my experience eating rootbark for investigative fun, produce a rather nice roll... but direct mucoscal absorbtion at too great a rate tends to produce more of a fucked-up cracked-out headchange which you probably wouldn't be reporting positively. Apparently, the fun requires a gradual rate of absorbtion and a liver pass.

My guess is honestly a mix of MDMA and MDA, without adulterants outside the MDxx class.

Incidentally, I've never gotten stimulant effects off MDMA...

Thanks a lot, man. The more I think about it and read, the more I think I got MDMA at the last festival and MDA at this one. The group of (side) effects from our group matched MDA really, really well. Which is just fine with me.

Just how hard would this be to do at home? I looked up the synth of MDxx from safrole, and although I didn't understand it because of the jargon, it seemed like a few simple steps.

Methylone.

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sass is just hippy slang for mdma .

The effects sound a bit like MDA, I've never come across any sort of powder extracted from the saff. root.

You have MDMA. You do not have anything else. If someone were selling something else, like MDA, then you would either have known(who the fuck doesn't advertise their MDA as MDA and charge up the ass for it?), or the dealer is a dumb bitch that doesn't know what's up with the drugs he buys. Anyways, I was at this kick back last night and some fools were rolling, and they said they bought "root beers". It's just a clever marketing name for safrole.

when i've heard people talking about "sass" they've been referring to MDA.

if you had MDA, you are very lucky. i have no problem finding molly, but MDA has proven to be quite an elusive chemical to me

this is reinforced by the fact you said it was more visual than previous experiences with MDMA, a lot of people report this with MDA.

i was at all good to and was wondering what sass was. then i asked this dude and he said it was mda.

MDA is very visual, and you would almost certainly have got to that point if you were doing 100mg odd. I've heard MDA gets very weird and intense, plus it has a worse comedown than MDMA. It just sounds like MDMA to me, that's what MD is like... it's not toooo speedy, you can be very chilled and calm on it, sure it makes you hotter and increases your pulse, but it doesn't really make mine race, unless i'm really dancing.

The whole "sass" thing makes it sound like it's an MD**, and the other ones are all noticeably different to just a very smooth "roll".

Way more likely to be MD than methylone or whatever, no matter what people call it.

Yeah, my best guess so far is that it's MDA. That's pretty cool, though, cause I still have some MDMA left over from another festival. I can press up my own custom rolls, depending on how I wanna feel that night. I've still gotta look into how hard it is to produce, though.

I've still gotta look into how hard it is to produce, though.

MDA?

Following the conventional routes, IIRC it's one step less than mdma.

Then again, i dunno i dun't do dis shiz.

Sass is what you better not be givin' no big black women.