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Old 2008-07-13, 22:38
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Default Regarding APAP and opiates

I have some hydrocodone pills, they are 5/500's. I don't really want to mess aroudn and do a cold water extraction (despite how easy it sounds) I was wondering how long its safe to take around ten of these a day for? I have around twelve left and i've taken like fifteen in the past two days, when does this become a problem to my liver? am I safe finshing these?
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Old 2008-07-13, 22:40
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I personally wouldn't do it. The limit I've heard for APAP is 4g a day, and less if you're going to be using it for more than a couple times.
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Old 2008-07-13, 22:47
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Not safe at all. You'll be doing major liver damage over time. Don't be so fucking lazy with your life.
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Old 2008-07-13, 22:52
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AT LEAST do a CWE and skip the freezer part, if you're THAT lazy.
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Old 2008-07-13, 23:15
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To poison yourself with APAP it takes 4000mg in a 24 hour period and signs may not show up for a day or so. I've take around 4000 and made it alright, but only because I refrained from doing anything that causes liver damage for the next few days. Anything being not even taking tylenol or anything with Acetaminophen in it as well as not drinking much of anything but water and eating unusually healthy (for me) meals. The healthy liver can heal rather quickly so giving it enough time and not making it a common thing is the way to go.


Taking 10 of them isn't a good idea..take 5 and drink some water.
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Old 2008-07-14, 01:15
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To poison yourself with APAP it takes 4000mg in a 24 hour period and signs may not show up for a day or so. I've take around 4000 and made it alright, but only because I refrained from doing anything that causes liver damage for the next few days. Anything being not even taking tylenol or anything with Acetaminophen in it as well as not drinking much of anything but water and eating unusually healthy (for me) meals. The healthy liver can heal rather quickly so giving it enough time and not making it a common thing is the way to go.


Taking 10 of them isn't a good idea..take 5 and drink some water.
ya, but that number is put out by the companies. And they take in to consideration extremely light people, the frail, the elderly, people with little tolerence, etc. And that number is going to be extremely low and safe. And it's for everyday use.

IMO, and from past experience, you will be fine taking all ten pills (5g APAP). But only if it's this once. Don't make a habit out of it. Don't drink alcohol before or during the effects. And if you're using the potentiation formula, make sure there's no APAP or ibuprofin (msp) in it.
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Old 2008-07-14, 01:36
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4g of APAP is daily limit. As in you can take that every single day and not sustain liver damage. The one time dosage is above 8g.
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Old 2008-07-14, 02:28
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But since taking too much often goes unnoticed until the next day wouldn't that extend the "problem area" by at least 16 hours? So it'd be like 4g every two days? I dont know, i'm stoned.

Anyways, other factors like metabolism, if you've drank the night before, if you're taking in the pills on an empty stomach ect..

A bud of mine ate a large dose of Opes/APAP in a small period of time and got sick as hell really quickly. It wasn't from the Opiate because we we're well past the stage of nausea..he hadnt eaten so we think the APAP is what caused it. He just started chugging water, throwing it back up, rinse, repeat for about 5 hours.

I, however, was nodding out and one happy mother fucker.
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Old 2008-07-14, 03:11
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most ive done is 7 at once and i was ok. i dont think i would do more than that due to the possibility of liver damage. i already lost my fiance last year to cirrhosis of the liver so i dont fuck around anymore.
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Old 2008-07-14, 04:38
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I have some hydrocodone pills, they are 5/500's. I don't really want to mess aroudn and do a cold water extraction (despite how easy it sounds) I was wondering how long its safe to take around ten of these a day for? I have around twelve left and i've taken like fifteen in the past two days, when does this become a problem to my liver? am I safe finshing these?
Do cwe for sure, ive mad this mistake way too many times in the past, i regularly get a sharp pain in my chest, im sure its from all the apap.
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Old 2008-07-14, 06:35
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i dont know of anyone who's actually had liver failure from the apap, and i know this fat oc addicted kid who takes 10 10/500's at a time when he has to resort to tabs, but those kinds of people are really braindead due to their drug use. they're fucked up even when theyre not fucked up. i dont use cwe, but i rarely go over the limit. when you build up a tolerance where you need to eat a shitload of tabs, you should just move on to oxycontin and fenatyl or morphine or methadone or whatever.
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