As many of you know I'm a psychedelic researcher, enthusiast, and taste tester :)

There are a lot of combinations I've indulged in that have intrigued me to the levels at which one can bend and twist reality, or just destroy the concept altogether.

I have smoked n,n-dmt during an acid peak, and conversely, I have also k-holed during an acid peak. Both experiences are very difficult to describe but have brought me to unprecedented extradimensional levels.

Now, another combination that has had me curious for quite a time now has been combining n,n-dmt and ketamine. The only proper methods of doing this that I can think of would be to either shoot both at once in the same rig, or IV the ketamine and right before the moment of falling into the k-hole smoke some demetri.

I'm leaning more towards the synced intravenous injection.

So, I ask, have any of you done such a combo? What was it like? If you can, are you able to put it into words? Recommend or not?

That's the first part of this thread. Moving on.

I've explained my interest in the previous combination, but after some thinking (about the two mixtures done during an acid peak) on the subject, I've been wanting to throw a dose of liquid lsd into the rig too.

All at once, in a matter of seconds, the wonderful threesome will work their magic on my mind. I will be shot into the cosmos by the dmt, I will fall into a spiraling hole from the ketamine, and the acid will be great stimulation to my mind, soul, and spiritual entity. I cannot even fathom the mental boundaries the combination will allow me to transcend. I suppose this is part of the reason I'm so curious. I've always been psychonautical in the sense of exploring as much of my mind and soul as I can.

And, so, does anyone have any input on the subject? Hopefully I can find at least one of you who have k-holed during a demetrigasm.

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You, dear sir, are insane.

Dude if i had the same opportunitys as you i would most certainly do it, given i had plenty of experience in DMT and k alone, but sadely i can't find K or even DMT..

And yes i know, this does not help you in the least bit, though i wish you luck in your travels.

you.. hyper-drugged psycho-nautical anthropoid
you are fucking NUTS!

Crazy nigga.

Save it till next year and I'll do it with ya.

I think you would have to shoot them all up at once unless you took the ketamine last because once you get that in you I wouldnt want to be trying to find a vein. You could always do it orally for acid, snort the ketamine then smoke the dmt.

But even if you did time it all right, I think that would be ungodly intense. Like probably more than anything you could ever experience in sober life. I would imagine it could have some really bad psychological effects on you. I mean shit like that can cause post tramatic stress disorder at worst or just make you really wierd and disconnected. I dont know for sure, I mean I have never mixed the three, but it would be the experience to end all experiences.

inb4mentalinstitution?

I can't help but imagine a LOLCAT with the caption "I'm in ur brane, crossing sum wyres"

please set up a webcam/video camera and post on totse. If you remember what a computer is after this..

U fink he'll B trippings afta dis?

Do it before I fucking beat you to it you hippy bastard. Maximum of 15mg of ketamine in the shot dude, for the first time anyway. 30mg ketamine IV is as far as I've gone, with no other drugs in the mix, well, except those still chilling in my bloodstream anyway.

Edit: If you wanted to be ridiculous you could add some 4-aco-dmt to the shot y'know. We'd probably be talking a 1ml syringe and a trip sitter to inject you by this stage though.

Yeah that would definitely be fucking nuts and put anything else you've done (and maybe will do?) to epic shame. While your at it, why not throw on some datura for flavor?

While your at it, why not throw on some datura for flavor?

Because there is a difference between 3 days of insanity, and 20 minutes of ego obliteration.

Nice and very intense.
When the time comes we all know you will have thought about it and researched it as much as possible to do it in the safest possible way.
I can't wait to hear about this journey.

u dont iv the k. u IM the k. sir

Thank you for your concern but you most certainly can IV ketamine. Still much more efficient than nasally.

How do you suppose I'm going to IM ketamine than be coordinated enough to do the other shot?

Yeah, I'm just going to stick to everything in one rig thanks.

This sounds like an awesome idea. However, for ease i would reccomend snorting the Ketamine, you don't want to be fumbling around with that DMT pipe...

Tell us how it goes!

When are you doing this bro? I'd definitely like to hear about this shit..if you're not burnt to a crisp or so enlightened or frightened that your mind leaves your body behind for good.

Whoa thats insane! At least try ket and DMT together first and a trip report on a combination of all 3 IVd would be well worth the read!

I would be doing all three at once, intravenous administration.

Part of doing that is that all three drugs will hit me at essentially the same time. Snorting it will make me come on to the k-hole near the tail end of the n,n-dmt trip, which is exactly what I DONT want. I want the k-hole and the demetri trip to be synchronous. The acid will hit at the same time, too.

Someone will be doing the injection for me, and I will have a sitter to make sure nothing goes awry.

Keep in mind I'm not 100% on doing this. I have a lot of research to do and I'm trying to seek out someone who has done this combination before in the method that I'm talking about. Gotta be one out there who has.

Keep in mind I'm not 100% doing this. I have a lot of research to do and I'm trying to seek out someone who has done this combination before in the method that I'm talking about. Gotta be one out there who has.

Hunter S. Thompson?

I've thought about trying this one, too, although not IV. I've asked a few people, and the consensus was that you're not gonna be able to take K on DMT and you're not gonna be able to take DMT in a K-Hole. I would suggest that you do both in one shot, or you could alternate if you have somebody that can shoot you up.

I'd do it with you if I was around. In a fucking heartbeat.

I've been wanting to start experimenting with Psychedelics IV'd, especially the three you've mentioned.

QFT. Too bad this shithole town has nothing but crack. :(

Sounds amazing, though. I've always wanted to try LSD + ketamine + any opioid, myself.

if you propose all in one shot

lets just say, what if, by some crazy chance, the two first interacts chemically and produces something harmful godforbid?

it cld happen!

Well, I don't think it will because on erowid there's a trip report of some guy who mixed all these and like 4 more chemicals.

Lots of people have done a lot crazier things, believe it or not. This is pretty kosher to some.

Either way it's going to be...well, quite interesting.

Puck, my friend called from All Good and said it's been pretty sick this year so far. So bummed I missed it.

Also heard from friends that went to Rothbury, and one of them (who's been to a ton of festies) said Rothbury was the best one he's ever been to.

So, definitely bummed about that. I haven't made it to a single fest this year. =(

Lol, I haven't made it to a single festival yet either. I'm so sad. I'm prepping for next year though, if you catch the drift of my jibe.

I catch the jibe of your drift.

I've only been to one fucking concert even. It's sad. At least I'm seeing the Allman Bros and Ratdog in August. That should be pretty sick.

If things go my way I'm going to be on the road from Langerado until Burning Man. I need to make up for this summer.

Lets see if everything goes to plan :)

So, no input other than calling me crazy huh? It's important!

Sounds like a good time!

I've k-holed before (snorted K alone), and it was perhaps the most intense experience of my life (although smoking salvia on mushrooms and nitrous was insanely strong for a short period). There is no way to adequately explain being "consciously" totally removed from your body and everyday senses, when it makes no difference to your eyes being open or not barely (well, not in the dark) and you are zooming around "exploring" this new... space.

I found ketamine so weird; this removal from everything in my everyday life, and yet also these confirmations and questions of everything i've ever experiences and have felt being just.... thrown at me. Or rather, me being shot into them on a cosmic rocket, through this world of colour, and dimension, and beyond dimension, and everything, and nothing. Seriously fucking nuts. I actually got the same feelings as being on a roller-coaster half the time, there was this g-force being exerted upon me by every movement, as I explored these "caverns". I can't really remember so much of the trip to be honest, but my imagination has never been visual in the way you get in a k-hole.

I don't know how it's really affected my views on dimension, and the "normal" world though to be honest. Perhaps not a huge amount.... but I find some things intensely interesting, like how someone out of body due to ketamine can explore and witness things they are not in physical proximity to. Either way I think it shook my mind up a fair bit, and not just in good ways, but I have no regrets. K-holing on a regular basis though, seems to me quite strongly escapist, and it's just so overwhelming and literally in "your face" (but beyond that, in your very senses...) that I just can't see the appeal of doing so regularly.

It's worth exploring I guess, but you have to be careful, because such weirdness is not just necessarily a play world to get lost in, I think it can strongly affect how you view yourself and interact normally. IVd psychedelics like ketamine and DMT must be insanely mind blowing, especially mixed with acid and the like... I guess I don't feel i'm at the right stage in my life to truly push those boundaries toooo much, though.

Thanks for the reply.

Of course I'm going to be safe about it. I have experience with all three of the aforementioned psychedelics and I know a good deal about all of them. Of course I'm not doing them for a fun time or anything like that,

I know it's not some fantasy playground type thing, I've explored many forms of consciousness and seen a lot of other worldly things before.

I know full well what I might be getting myself into.

This is something that's going to take a lot of due consideration. I might not even do it for a couple years from now. We'll see.

I hope to IV a combination of DMT and a high dose of LSD, then take a fat rip of salvia.

Whilst very stoned, of course.

I've been on some pretty intense combinations: some of them lead to the same place, some lead to similar dimensions, and some are just so fucking far out there its scary on a level that boggles the mind. In fact, completely beyond mind, perception, reality, or anything

it's like

known - > unknown -> unknowable?!?!?!

You and I have talked at length about this before, but my contribution to this thread is, fuck yeah, good luck, trip balls.


And I will hopefully be trying IV LSD this weekend. As noted in my reply to you about the northern lights tripping, I gotta push that envelope. So unless I can get 30 hits of acid for $20, then I will be injecting it. I think I will be getting a free hit, if not several, but I know if I told him I was gonna IV it, and did it in front of him it would be free.

The only thing I don't like about IVing LSD is that you really can't do anything to clean or sterilize it. Dirty shot.

Your gonna fucking die doing that shit. Or*Sarcasm* think your a glass of orange juice for the rest of your life.

You want actual feedback Darkus?

Get enough K to K-Hole, like 2-5 hits of LSD (depending on how intense you want it), and around .4mg/kg of DMT and you will be in for one hell of a [safe] ride.

Definitely wasn't gonna overdo it. I still have still have a couple liquid doses. The lowest amount of K to k-hole, and just enough to breakthrough on dmt.

Well, I have the ingredients, but I'm still doing research on it all, the dangers involved, etc. etc.

I'm looking to stupidnoob or intravenous for the best way to load up all three in the same rig, as I don't know a damn thing about IVing. If I decide to do this, this is going to be my first recreational injection EVAR.

Interesting place to start, no?

I can't trust myself with psychs. I tried ketamine once while on lsd. IV not sure on dosage. My mind is well.. not set for trips like that. I think far too much and tried to logicalise everything. Wasnt happening and ended up like one giant headache. Bit of paranoia thrown in.

I'ma mature a little before i try that again.

Do you mean dosages, or solution medium? For medium, I would go with just plain old distilled water. As for dosage, LSD is going to vary, you need to eat it first and judge potency from there. From my experience with IV LSD so far, I would say a half hit or more of some blotter you need two hits to trip balls on. Any less isn't worth it. As for DMT, I seem to remember someone mentioning 4mg/kg dosages, and as for the K, I don't know man, I hope to try it soon.

As for DMT, I seem to remember someone mentioning 4mg/kg dosages

No, that's WAY, WAY too high. The .4 mg/kg level comes from the high-dose sessions in DMT:The Spirit Molecule.

Well, I have a liquid dose left, and it's pretty damn strong. But, since the DMT and Ketamine are going to be kick-me-in-the-face intense, I figure a high dose of L should even that out a bit :D

And yeah, I was just referring to how to prepare the chemicals for load up.

I'm still working out the doses on the other two, trying to figure out what would be the perfect amount for my size.

Either way, it's on the to do list, but I'm not quite sure how soon. A few weeks, at least. Not at a point in my life right now where I'd be entirely comfortable with that kind of brain fucking.

LOL my bad 365, you are right.


And darkus, I see, as for that, just like I said, plain old distilled water.

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ah, the fourth dimension. not time but the ACTUAL fourth spatial dimension. i got such an incredible impression of it while shrooming, it was amazing.